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[Inquisitor Recon]

in it for the lolz wrote...

Whatever rocks your boat OP.

Myself, I getting ready for a bug hunt!

I say we take off and nuke the entire topic from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

[in it for the lolz]

ReconTeam wrote...

in it for the lolz wrote...

Whatever rocks your boat OP.

Myself, I getting ready for a bug hunt!

I say we take off and nuke the entire topic from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Good idea.

Modifié par in it for the lolz, 01 février 2013 - 01:08 .

[Mazebook]

I always enjoy reading your posts St.Elmo. Even though they were a bit on the nitpicky side they were mostly reasonable.

and great to hear that you remembered why you played Mass Effect in the first place.

To have fun and be immersed. All the teen screaming level complaining and raging across the gaming culture, has made me think that I really don´t want to be apart of this culture anymore. It has become a toxic waste dump of forced narratives where the loudest and most raging voice wins.

anyway i never considered you to be one of those people.
so i hope you will still have fun

Modifié par maaaze, 01 février 2013 - 01:12 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Robosexual wrote...

So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies?

Well, if we are extremely generous we can call the infamous pre-release statements, our interpretation of it and what ended up being in the game a series of very unfortunate misunderstandings.

The problem starts when the only way these misunderstandings are being dealt with by the people responsible is ignoring them, locking down discussions about them and acting surprised and offended that people feel the need to broach the issue at all.

[FlamingBoy]

Robosexual wrote...


So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies? Charging you for something they created? Not making something to your satifaction? What?

found this on one of delightful forums, bioware is guilty of deciet and quite frankly for a public company thats not good enough, I will put in in italics to give my argument more ompf!


Whether or not you enjoyed the conclusion to Mass Effect 3 (personally I feel
it tarnished an otherwise masterful series) please take a look at the
pre-release quotes below from websites and interviews with the game's
developers, writers and producers.

Does all that talk of meaningful player choice, multiple significantly
different endings and closure for the characters and series not seem,
at the very least, strange?

I believe Bioware can be legitimately accused of, at best, fudging the
truth if not outright deceit given the inconsistency between notions
of choice, closure etc. expressed before the game was released and
the ending as it currently stands.

In my opinion Bioware produced a badly written, ill-conceived shambles
of an ending riddled with plot holes and logical inconsistencies but
even if you loved the final moments of this great game do you really
think what was stated in the interviews below has been proved true?

Maybe Walters, Gamble, Hudson et al will be proved right when a decent
ending is released via (presumably free) DLC that explains the
original ending was just some sort of hallucination/indoctrination.
I'm not holding my breath waiting for that though.


Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/

“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any
other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience
and outcome.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://popwatch.ew.com/2012/02/28/mass-effect-3-mac-walters/

“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”

Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer)
http://business.financialpost.com/2012/03/05/qa-mass-effect-3s-mac-walters-on-how-the-game-tries-to-reach-all-audiences/

“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think
one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are
optimal for different people “

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/334598/interviews/mass-effect-3-weve-brought-back-a-lot-of-what-was-missing-in-me2/

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as
much as we are anyway.”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.360magazine.co.uk/interview/mass-effect-3-has-many-different-endings/

“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How
could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and
then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t
say any more than that…”

Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-02-bioware-mass-effect-3-ending-will-make-some-people-angry

“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the
architect of what happens."

“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people.”

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being
brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they
got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was
because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you
didn't make”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx

“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the
universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in
Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different
based on what you would do in those situations.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://venturebeat.com/2012/03/02/casey-hudson-bioware-co-created-mass-effect-3-with-the-sometimes-cranky-fans-interview/

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get
some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”

“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end.”

Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?”
Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with
the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx?PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”
Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to
build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about
eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is
coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot
more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many
decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that
stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,
where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and
variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player
decide what your story is.”


EDIT: Couple more interesting quotes I found, enjoy......or not.


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer.com/news/1027650/mass_effect_3_reapers_can_win_bioware.html

Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever
before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle
for Earth, according to BioWare's community representative Mike
Gamble.


In an inteview with NowGamer at Gamescom, we asked if BioWare was taking risks with Mass Effect 3's
plot,
including a negative ending in which the Reapers win. Gamble simply
said, "Yes". We asked him again to confirm what he had just said and he
said, "Yes".

EDIT: thanks to
Our_Last_Scene for pointing out that this quote was clarified on Mike
Gamble's twitter feed (apparently the 'reapers win' scenario is simply
the 'Critical Mission Failure' message the player receives if they
dawdle too long at the crucible before making their choice, see this
link for info -
http://twitter.com/#...895746313363457)


Mike Gamble (Associate Producer)
http://www.nowgamer....ry_details.html


"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a
totally different way of playing"


Casey Hudson (Director)
http://gamescatalyst.com/2012/03/casey-hudson-kinect-the-future-of-interactive-stories/

“The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and
the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all
of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to
live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”

Casey Hudson (Director)
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/336331/interviews/mass-effect-3-we-cant-go-on-holiday-our-dlc-is-really-good/?page=2

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And
even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to
some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending
where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things
- it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the
final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who
plays it.”


EDIT: Thanks to Skidrow-Garrett for pointing out another mystifying quote or two. It
seems Bioware worked for years on the ending and are really pleased
with it. I think it makes new DLC to address all the concerns less
likely, unfortunately.

Ray Muzyka (Co-Founder of Bioware)
http://penny-arcade....ing-a-trilogy-a

“I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the
most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played….the decisions you make in
this game are epic,”

“The team has been planning
for this for years, since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise.
Largely the same team, most of the same leads have worked on this for
years and years. They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years.
It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but
over the course of five or ten years.”

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 01 février 2013 - 01:10 .

[thefallen2far]

To op.... that's cool. I'm surprised you still have you copy of the game. I was so fed up with EC I sold my copy with regret I waited that long. That's cool that you held onto it. It's probably not worth much in trade in now anyway. So if you wanna play the 10 for lev and 15 for omeg and whatever other DLC they're trying to sell, it's your money.

I still don't think there's enough value in rebuying it [even a used version of the game] plus the DLC fees plus the time.

I mean, I have the money, but it'd be like burning a $20 bill in front of a homeess person, yes, it might be entertaining for a few minutes, but it doesn't bring any real satisfaction and really feels like a waste of money.

[Clayless]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies?

Well, if we are extremely generous we can call the infamous pre-release statements, our interpretation of it and what ended up being in the game a series of very unfortunate misunderstandings.

The problem starts when the only way these misunderstandings are being dealt with by the people responsible is ignoring them, locking down discussions about them and acting surprised and offended that people feel the need to broach the issue at all.

Say someone from Bioware came and pointed out that people were deliberately misquoting them like I just did:

How do you think this place would react? The people that convince themselves they're victims, over a year later, how do you think would they react?

[ObserverStatus]

Greylycantrope wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

What are the five stages of grief I keep hearing about?

I really like the Garrus waifu pillow.

[Clayless]

FlamingBoy wrote...

-snip-

Word of advice:

If I'm quoted in something that forces the creator to admit that they don't know how accurate those statements are, and if I just showed how innacurate the most used "statement" was on the previous page, then it's probably not a good idea to use it in an argument against me.

[FlamingBoy]

bobobo878 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

What are the five stages of grief I keep hearing about?

I really like the Garrus waifu pillow.

seriously who doesn't like that pillow

[Inquisitor Recon]

bobobo878 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

What are the five stages of grief I keep hearing about?

*comic*

I really like the Garrus waifu pillow.

This is way too accurate in regards to BSN.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 01 février 2013 - 01:17 .

[FlamingBoy]

Robosexual wrote...


Word of advice:

If I'm quoted in something that forces the creator to admit that they don't know how accurate those statements are, and if I just showed how innacurate the most used "statement" was on the previous page, then it's probably not a good idea to use it in an argument against me.

No italics mate, thought you were making a point
wheres the condencending attitude for the moral high ground on your peak of fortitude

[TurianRebel212]

I'm fine with the endings. My interpretation won't change one way or the other. I accepted them for what they are with the EC. They are, in a literal interpretation, a lemon and botched, with numerous plot holes and speculative elements. I didn't make them. So I will never apologize to Bioware. Why? I bought their product- I enjoy it. I buy their DLC and contribute on their forums. I don't owe them anything. I'm a consumer. As a consumer I make the decision of what I consume. I don't owe anything or anyone an explanation.

I'm glad the op is moving on. You should it's been a year, or close to, go experience new games and new things.

[Clayless]

Lathrim wrote...

That much (bold) is correct, I admit. Still:

"It’s not even in any waylike the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

That, I still cannot comprehend. With the context given by the following paragraph or without. 

He's talking about how different the endings can be. Where you might see a Destroy ending with the genophage sabotaged, Wrex and Eve dead, Jack turned into a Phantom and no Geth or Quarians as being the same as a Destroy ending where none of those things happened, he's saying that they're different and the state of where you left your galaxy in both those scenarios are different, despite the fact that  Destroy was chosen in both.

It's the reason why everyone leaves out the second paragraph. It clarifies what he was saying and shows he wasn't actually lying.

[TheRealJayDee]

Robosexual wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies?

Well, if we are extremely generous we can call the infamous pre-release statements, our interpretation of it and what ended up being in the game a series of very unfortunate misunderstandings.

The problem starts when the only way these misunderstandings are being dealt with by the people responsible is ignoring them, locking down discussions about them and acting surprised and offended that people feel the need to broach the issue at all.

Say someone from Bioware came and pointed out that people were deliberately misquoting them like I just did:

How do you think this place would react? The people that convince themselves they're victims, over a year later, how do you think would they react?

What, you mean when someone from Bioware actually had come at some point to try to give us their perspective on the things? Well, I strongly believe it would have helped the overall situation. But it hasn't happened and it likely never will. Why? Possible scenarios (feel free to add and/or discuss);

a) the people who made the statements in question know they can't say anything substantial in their defense

they have the same attitude towards people who question these statements as you

c) the people who made the statements are unaware of the issues fans are having

a) and are "and/or" options

[Clayless]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Robosexual wrote...


Word of advice:

If I'm quoted in something that forces the creator to admit that they don't know how accurate those statements are, and if I just showed how innacurate the most used "statement" was on the previous page, then it's probably not a good idea to use it in an argument against me.

No italics mate, thought you were making a point
wheres the condencending attitude for the moral high ground on your peak of fortitude

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

I pointed out that you clearly never read what you just quoted and how using it against me isn't a good idea, especially as I'm quoted in it, and for the life of me I can't make heads or tails of what "no italics" or "peak of fortitude" has to do with anything I just said.

[Clayless]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Say someone from Bioware came and pointed out that people were deliberately misquoting them like I just did:

How do you think this place would react? The people that convince themselves they're victims, over a year later, how do you think would they react?

What, you mean when someone from Bioware actually had come at some point to try to give us their perspective on the things? Well, I strongly believe it would have helped the overall situation. But it hasn't happened and it likely never will. Why? Possible scenarios (feel free to add and/or discuss);

Remeber what happened when they explained why they didn't want TIM to transform into a Reaper monster? The hatred and mocking they still recieve from that?

a) the people who made the statements in question know they can't say anything substantial in their defense

they have the same attitude towards people who question these statements as you

c) the people who made the statements are unaware of the issues fans are having

a) and are "and/or" options

Or this place wont listen to them and will instead turn everything they say into memes to be used against them.

[TheRealJayDee]

Robosexual wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Say someone from Bioware came and pointed out that people were deliberately misquoting them like I just did:

How do you think this place would react? The people that convince themselves they're victims, over a year later, how do you think would they react?

What, you mean when someone from Bioware actually had come at some point to try to give us their perspective on the things? Well, I strongly believe it would have helped the overall situation. But it hasn't happened and it likely never will. Why? Possible scenarios (feel free to add and/or discuss);

Remeber what happened when they explained why they didn't want TIM to transform into a Reaper monster? The hatred and mocking they still recieve from that?

Was that where the "too videogamey" thing came from? I never followed this particular topic or participated in the discussion, because the lack of a boss fight was never any kind of priority for me. Still, it's kind of difficult to follow that reasoning as I understood it if you look at the Kai Leng confrontations - it doesn't get much more "videogamey boss fight" than that. But as I said, I have no clear idea how this was communicated/discussed in detail, so I can't really comment on it.

Robosexual wrote...

a) the people who made the statements in question know they can't say anything substantial in their defense

they have the same attitude towards people who question these statements as you

c) the people who made the statements are unaware of the issues fans are having

a) and are "and/or" options

Or this place wont listen to them and will instead turn everything they say into memes to be used against them.

Yeah, that's probably always a risk, especially when the topics at hand are highly controversial and everyone's mood isn't the best. They had to decide wether they were willing to take that risk in order to reach those fans that would listen and knew how to behave, and imo it's sad they decided the way they did.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 01 février 2013 - 01:51 .

[Clayless]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Remeber what happened when they explained why they didn't want TIM to transform into a Reaper monster? The hatred and mocking they still recieve from that?

Was that where the "too videogamey" thing came from? I never followed this particular topic or participated in the discussion, because the lack of a boss fight was never any kind of priority for me. Still, it's kind of difficult to follow that reasoning as I understood it if you look at the Kai Leng confrontations - it doesn't get much more "videogamey boss fight" than that. But as I said, I have no clear idea how this was communicated/discussed in detail, so I can't really comment on it.

Oh they explained why they didn't want to turn TIM into a giant monster just for the sake of having an end boss. They felt that TIM's power was in his mind, not his physical strength, and that games are a story telling medium so they felt like they didn't need to make him into an end boss just for the sake of having an end boss.

People went wild. Hence the "too videogamey" meme you still see being used. People use it in completely irrelevant situations to what was said because they hate the fact TIM wasn't a Reaper monster just for the sake of it.

Yeah, that's probably always a risk, especially when the topics at hand are highly controversial and everyone's mood isn't the best. They had to decide wether they were willing to take that risk in order to reach those fans that would listen and knew how to behave, and imo it's sad they decided the way they did.

It's a shame this place made them feel that way.

[TheRealJayDee]

Robosexual wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Remeber what happened when they explained why they didn't want TIM to transform into a Reaper monster? The hatred and mocking they still recieve from that?

Was that where the "too videogamey" thing came from? I never followed this particular topic or participated in the discussion, because the lack of a boss fight was never any kind of priority for me. Still, it's kind of difficult to follow that reasoning as I understood it if you look at the Kai Leng confrontations - it doesn't get much more "videogamey boss fight" than that. But as I said, I have no clear idea how this was communicated/discussed in detail, so I can't really comment on it.

Oh they explained why they didn't want to turn TIM into a giant monster just for the sake of having an end boss. They felt that TIM's power was in his mind, not his physical strength, and that games are a story telling medium so they felt like they didn't need to make him into an end boss just for the sake of having an end boss.

People went wild. Hence the "too videogamey" meme you still see being used. People use it in completely irrelevant situations to what was said because they hate the fact TIM wasn't a Reaper monster just for the sake of it.

Well, I completely agree that a "Reaper-TIM boss fight" would have been unneccessary. And honestly, I've never seen anyone complain that we didn't get that. Thing is, TIM was never the villain to have a "boss fight" with in ME3 to begin with. He was (or should have been) a secondary villain at best. What I do believe was missing was at least the opportunity for any kind of final confrontation with the enemy (the Reapers), and again at least the possibility to win against it in some way that was not presented by the enemy itself.

[Necrotron]

Dendio1 wrote...

People literally logged on forums to make bioware feel bad about themselves. Now devs consider forums toxic.

Damage is done.

Not just these forums, but literally anyplace, anywhere we anyone mentions the key phrases 'Mass Effect', 'Bioware', etc. etc.

It all just becomes bitter people hating on each other, pro enders calling anti enders entitled whiners and idiots, and antienders saying how much they hate Bioware and calling pro enders idiots, etc.  I wish it would stop, as "Shepard deserves better fans", (more polite, considerate fans who respect each other and Bioware and different opinions), a phrase which ironically itself is most often used an insult.

Modifié par Bathaius, 01 février 2013 - 02:32 .

[3DandBeyond]

Robosexual wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies?

Well, if we are extremely generous we can call the infamous pre-release statements, our interpretation of it and what ended up being in the game a series of very unfortunate misunderstandings.

The problem starts when the only way these misunderstandings are being dealt with by the people responsible is ignoring them, locking down discussions about them and acting surprised and offended that people feel the need to broach the issue at all.

Say someone from Bioware came and pointed out that people were deliberately misquoting them like I just did:

How do you think this place would react? The people that convince themselves they're victims, over a year later, how do you think would they react?

Well that would be a lovely set of amazing coincidences and a bit late to assert that now. 

Let me see.  Many comments were made in interviews Casey Hudson or some other dev made with sites like IGN and Game Informer and so on-sites that had no reason to misquote them.  Had they been misquoted, that should have been handled then and there.  But not correcting mistakes (if I entertain the thought what you're saying is true), means they are letting the comments or interviews stand.

However, how they have generally handled thing is similar to how they handled the mass relay issue.  In Feb, in a video interview Mac Walters (creator of the Arrival that showed an exploding relay destroying a star system), said post-ME3 the galaxy would be a wasteland.  The Final Hours said the crucible would create a galactic dark ages.  Desperate Measures (in the codex) said a ruptured relay would ruin all terrestrial worlds in a star system.  ME3 was released, relays exploded, and people wondered if that did mean (as we were shown and told it would) that the galaxy was ruined, destroyed, then how could the Normandy crash or the torso gasp be good.  Then, BW went on twitter to retcon it.  It's a great part of what is retconned with the EC and why the slides show happy scenes, to emphasize the relays didn't destroy everything.  Upon the release of the EC, the devs said they had no idea why people had thought the galaxy would be destroyed.  Everything they have done and said about all of this has been to indicate all of this is just some misunderstanding fans have.  It's user error.  Fan mistake.  The EC was to provide clarity (because we were too dumb to understand the original endings) and closure, that has yet to be attained since ambiguity still exists.

No ABC ending, well great.  Technically true, but essentially a lie-so we got RGB.  At the end, it would be like no two people were playing the same game-yeah, right.  I can get the same endings without playing ME1 and 2 and even doing a lot of 3, with enough MP or even by playing the apps for the iPad-as someone who is a completionist and plays all 3.  All questions will be answered-uh no.  The endings create more questions that you never even wanted to have to ask, and they ignore large portions of just ME3, not to mention the other two games.

Who's saying their a victim?  In fact, it's certain fans and certain within BW themselves that are playing that card.  They're acting as if fans with no real power are the bullies and they are the victims.  Fans who state specific problems are said to be toxic and are blamed for a toxic atmosphere while there are some truly crazy people on this site that actually are rather scary.  I personally think there's more to fear from some of these people that act as if they have a close personal relationship with Bioware and that claim to know the mind of Bioware.  Talk about toxic.

[kalasaurus]

StElmo wrote...

I made an apology thread to BW about how obsessively I posted mean spirited sounding things on BSN and the internet at large, because I got swept up in an ending controversy that was ultimately pointless given how I initially liked the endings of the games - yet for somesilly reason I started concentrating on little details and started turning into a stupid example of an internet denizen where negativity reigned supreme.

So right now I'm installing Mass Effect 3, EC going to buy Leviathan, Omega and going to tear through it, ready for the final DLC 

I'm going to forget about stupid Mass Effect 3 complaints that only made me add to a feedback loop. And I'm going to enjoy and escape this world

Why sit in a hovel of negativity when we can accept and let this universe continue

You can google my old posts if you wish, I started deleting some of them, but you can see how negative I was, I regret that. Because guess what? it just stopped me having fun.

There are inspirational people out there, like Gandhi and what was I doing? complaining about something because I let perception impressionabilty get to me. I liked ME3 when I first played it and I will like it again.

EA is an entertainment company, they aren't screwing our coral reefs, heck they aren't even importing minerals from the congo to make the damn machines we play these games on! They aren't sending drones into pakistan that kill children and create terrorist sympathisers, they aren't taking away our liberty.

EDIT: I would like to clarify I never made personal attacks or anything as far as I'm aware, always been against that. But I am dissapointed the tone of my posts brought me down to negative space and that sucks.

I too am guilty of some of the negativity on BSN after ME3's release.  I like to believe I more or less "turned over" too.  I enjoyed a lot of the game, but wow, the original ending hit me harder than any other bad ending to a movie, book or game.  Priority: Earth and Citadel: The Return were monumental disappointments

That said, I really respect Bioware for what they did with EC.  I need to find a different Garrus banner.  Any recommendations?

Modifié par GlassElephant, 01 février 2013 - 03:00 .

[StElmo]

Yate wrote...

HEY GUYS I'M GONNA TAKE THE HIGH GROUND NOW EVEN THOUGH MY ATTITUDE HELPED TURN THE FORUM INTO A TOXIC DUMP

NOW YOU SHOULD ALL ADMIRE ME FOR GETTING OVER SOMETHING UNIMPORTANT THAT HAPPENED A LONG TIME AGO

Not my intention ):