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[StElmo]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

Again, just like your thread in the General Discussion section, are you trying to invalidate other people's opinions when they had a lot of complaints about the game?

I don't have a problem with you changing your mind and loving the game again. But it's the way you're going about it that aggravates me. You're sitting there acting as if you're enlightened, and that it's wrong to criticize Bioware for the direction they took the series, and the direction they're taking their company as a whole. You're telling me to turn over a new leaf and start loving Bioware and Mass Effect 3, like it's the right thing to do.

If you criticized the ending because you got caught up in this "hate train", then that's on you and your inability to have an opinion of your own. But please don't go around acting like people who have serious problems with the game, are hating it just for the sake of hating it. Most of the people who dislike the game, or at least just it's ending, have genuine reason to, and aren't doing it because they see other people doing it.

I'm not saying criticisms are invalid, I'm saying hanging around and posting about them ad nauseum just makes peoples tone bitter and negative, rather than objective.

Edit: changed the OP not to sound holier than thou - im clearly terrible at conveying tone on bsn.

Modifié par StElmo, 01 février 2013 - 03:25 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Sorry man, I'm still in the Anger Stage. Made even worse when I tried to replay ME3, you know to try and enjoy it, only to start shouting at my TV for Shepard to "Shut the fcuk up" every few minutes when autodialogue jumped in then I Raeg quit and went back to playing Fallout NV.

[Col.Aurion]

Sorry, but the case is terminal, most of the people who still did not like the endings did not change their mind, they left, I'm just here to see out the final days boyo

[CynicalShep]

Some therapist, somewhere, just made a lot of money. I'm happy for both you and him.

[StElmo]

CynicalShep wrote...

Some therapist, somewhere, just made a lot of money. I'm happy for both you and him.

thats quite rude to people who do actually see therapists. Don't demean them, thanks.

[CynicalShep]

StElmo wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Some therapist, somewhere, just made a lot of money. I'm happy for both you and him.

thats quite rude to people who do actually see therapists. Don't demean them, thanks.

What makes you think I'm demeaning them? There's nothing wrong with seeing therapists just like jokes on forums shouldn't be taken at face value. Welcome to the internetz, pal.

[DirtyPhoenix]

bobobo878 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

What are the five stages of grief I keep hearing about?

I really like the Garrus waifu pillow.

Isn't that a husbandu pillow, technically?

[DoodlyDangus]

I want this Garrus pillow.

[Lyrandori]

Stage 1: Denial
Stage 2: Anger
Stage 3: Bargaining
Stage 4: Depression
Stage 5: Head Canon

I'm at Stage 5, Stage 4 lasted a good two months or so for me. I clearly remember since it left its mark, literally. Following my game's completion (late March last year), the two and a half following days during which I couldn't sleep won't be forgotten anytime soon (and I only ate like a soup in 72 hours). And no, I'm not exaggerating. It provoked a sudden and strong  - although honestly unexpected - physical response with actual grief and depression-related symptoms.

So, "acceptance"? Ambracing it as it is? No. But I tried, and I can't. For me it's head canon all the way, it helps me heal the wounds better than just blindly nod and hug the game and its writing. And just accept it "as it is" would mean to do so out desperation, not to mention that's it's still too soon for me anyway, maybe in a decade or so I'll look at it in retrospect and will be able to "accept it" as it "occurred back then", but right now it's still too fresh in my memory. I'll need to let it fade away (let the details go away) over time, a crap load of time. It wouldn't be a "natural" acceptance otherwise and would be forced, it'd be done artificially to seek comfort, would be a lie to myself to seek  some self-satisfaction, and would create internal conflict.

It's like I'd have a bad accident and would end up with a fractured limb, but wouldn't go to the hospital to get a cast, and would instead just stay home and "accept it". It'd still hurt as heck under the cast, and it might never fully nor even properly heal over time, but hey, I can just "accept this accident", screw that broken bone and let's embrace the accident! Yeah right. The beautiful part about head canon (or "Fanon", call it what you prefer) is that BioWare has no say whatsoever about it, nor can they, or should they do anything about it. They might even not "like" it that some people around actually "dare" canonizing anything regarding Mass Effect from our own imagination. Instead, they are the one(s) who have to accept that some people around won't simply say "Yes!, and by the way give me even more of this in the future!".

But with this said, I don't mind if people "like it" as is, nor mind about it if people came to "accept" it even if originally they couldn't. That's fine with you guys, if it makes you feel good, that's the important part really, and I mean it honestly. What's important in the end is that your way to "deal with" this whole mess ends up being satisfying. And truly so, it must feel an honest, natural acceptance is present, and isn't done out of desperation. If you feel that it is truly what you "feel inside", that it's now healed and you're fine with it, then genuinely I believe that's the most important part of all of this. So, OP, if you came to embrace it and it's what you believe you feel comfortable with, then good for you (and everyone else in the same boat, but I'm just nowhere close to that stage yet myself).

[Clayless]

@Lyrandori, 2 things:

First, you can't canonize something in your imagination, it's fanon no matter how much you want to believe it.

Second, you seem to imply that those that like the ending aren't being honest, which is a delusion.

Modifié par Robosexual, 01 février 2013 - 05:45 .

[Archonsg]

No.
Have been playing more and more stuff bought from gog.com.
There is reason why they are called *good old games*.

About this <> close to getting my "Best of the Best" banner for MP, but not really caring anymore. Been playing Planetside 2.
It's not perfect, but damn, there's nothing quite like it, a game that brings back memories of being in an army and how FUBAR things can get as well as how awesome it can feel when your side rolls out with 50 or so tanks, waves of air support and a whole glorious mess of infantry.

Nah.

ME3 had its chance to make itself a game to be remembered fondly.
It failed at that for me.

[Lyrandori]

Robosexual wrote...

@Lyrandori, 2 things:

First, you can't canonize something in your imagination, it's fanon no matter how much you want to believe it.

Second, you seem to imply that those that like the ending aren't being honest, which is a delusion.

Speak for yourself, because I can. It doesn't have to occur on-screen for me, nor does it have to be written by Casey or Walters. I can also write stuff on paper, doesn't matter to me. But if you believe that I can't canonize something myself and it makes you feel better then there's nothing I can do about it really, good for you I guess.

That's your perception I guess. I "seem" to imply in itself implies that you aren't sure about it. Well I'll make it clear then, it's not the case. If people around like the ending they are honest if they truly indeed like it as is, and don't desire more than what it is. If what happens on-screen, for them, is enough and they think "ok, well that's the ending and I like it, let's move to another game or let's re-play ME3 again" then fine, they are being honest. I will repeat myself just in case here, what I mean is if you accept the ending "by force", then it's not being honest with yourself and in fact you should know that you desire more, and since you know you won't ever get more (from BioWare) then that in itself is a delusion (to think that it's enough when in fact you want more because you'd happen to think that having more from it is what is best for you).

Anyway, in the end it's a question of preferences and personal perceptions. If you can't, or think you can't canonize something because it happens to be "your imagination", then so be it for you, really what can I do about it? I mean do you expect me to even do something about it? It is what it is, it was a natural reaction on my part. I couldn't accept it "as is" so stuff from within the Mass Effect's universe resumed in my mind, I made that, of course, it didn't just "pop in" in my mind, I wrote stuff on paper and on text files as templates to base incoming events from. I also canonized more of my Shepard's pre-Service history life details which aren't mentioned in-game ever. It's not JUST about the endings or post-endings, it's about ANYthing I can come up with for any work of fiction and fantasy. I don't need nor wait for Lucas' permission to canonize my own Jedi or Sith, and I don't need Karphysyn, Casey or Walters' approval to canonize my Shepard post-ME3 in any way, shape or form.

And that only applies to me, I'm not even imposing this on anyone. I just came here to explain how I see it, and how I personally can't simply "embrace it" or "accept it" blindly, since I know I can and want to do more. I don't pretend that the "more" I do is "better" even, I'm just saying it's "more than what it is" and that satisfies me, so be it.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 01 février 2013 - 06:47 .

[Nightwriter]

Yeah I'll give you at least 8/10 points for entertainment value. At least. "I liked the game but then I hated it but I realized I'm not Gandhi so I liked it again did you know that BioWare isn't sending killer robots after children hate is a poison I am a positive ion in the universe."

This is good stuff. I haven't even read past page one yet. I'm hoping there's more of the same further in. Like "criticism is a CAGE for your SOUL" and "Did you know BioWare has not raped a single puppy EVER."

[SpamBot2000]

Robosexual wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

So they should apologise for what exactly? Something that you try to pretend is lies? Charging you for something they created? Not making something to your satifaction? What?

Feel free to explain how the statement "Mass Effect 3 won't have a A, B or C ending" is not a lie.

Sure.

Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any waylike the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them. It would be interesting to see if somebody could put together a chart for that. Even with Mass Effect 2’s...

Notice that second paragraph that everyone leaves out? And how he doesn't actually say it wont have a A, B or C ending? Notice how he's talking about how different the game can be at the end, from civilisations that rose and fell, who lives and who dies, right down to individual characters? How he's talking about the state of where you left your galaxy?

Kinda sounds like he's telling the truth and was deliberately misquoted in an attempt to make him look like a liar. Almost like the people that were doing it were dishonest. Lying, you could say..

Notice how this person always deliberately leaves out the question Hudson was answering in that interview to make excuses for his obvious lie?

It's always the ones who "screech" about "people spreading lies" you got to watch out for. There is a reason why they are so preoccupied with people "twisting words". That is what they themselves do all day long.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 01 février 2013 - 08:15 .

[dorktainian]

change stage 5 to 'im already down the rabbit hole'

Modifié par dorktainian, 01 février 2013 - 08:50 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

dorktainian wrote...

change stage 5 to 'im already down the rabbit hole'

"In another moment down went Alice after it, never once considering how in the world she was toi get out again."

[ToJKa1]

darkway1 wrote...

Yep,all is forgiven.........hey......wait a minute,micro transactions in Dead Space 3......those crazy,wacky guy's at EA are going to screw up another much loved franchise......sad.

Well that's why you should never buy a game when it's released, but few years later when you can get it with the DLC for the price fo the original (like Bethesda's GOTY editions), or when the main game's price has dropped enough that the DLCs no longer double it's price (like EA's games).

Anyway, i love Mass Effect 3. It's a gift that keeps on giving... drama

[Outsider edge]

Criticism can be objective and if people perceive that as being a negative nancy it's on them not necessarily on the one writing down the critic. Some people love this game and consider it without fault and such opinions should be respected. But if this forum was only filled with such people it would be an equivelant of an hippy commune singing Bioware's praises. Would that be so much better?

There are alot of posts with criticism towards Mass Effect 3 simply because many people perceive different things as shortcomings too the game. Some have problems with the gameplay others with the story.

For me i have issues with Mass Effect 3's lacklustre writing. And i don't see why i should refrain of discussing that topic in different threads on this forum. Especially considering i haven't seen a rise in quality of said writing in the subsequent DLC's that were released. If the OP considers that adding fuel too the negativity on this forum i would advice him not too open those threads and stick too the positive ones where rose petals fall down from the sky and Mass Effect 3 shines forever as the epithomy of storybased gaming.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 01 février 2013 - 12:34 .

[pinoy_sav]

I pretty much left this game after the extended cut. ME3 pretty much killed the whole franchise for me, it was that bad. Mass Effect was the franchise that brought me into the gaming world and well, seeing it "end" like this deeply scarred me, theres no point buying the DLC's since to me I already know what happens in the end, thats it boom my hero that I have created and shaped for 5 years is done. Im neither positive nor negative just neutral like many of you I have accepted the fate that this is ME3 and thats all that we are going to get and everything we have hoped for is just imagination. I will not be playing ME4 when it releases or buy and DLC for ME3. Im done.

[Calamity]

MegaSovereign wrote...

BTW, before you buy Omega I suggest you read up on some reviews. I have a pretty detailed one in my sig but there are some other good ones on the internet. It's a hit or miss with a lot of people and I personally didn't think it was worth the $15.

I have read the reveiws and decided the DLC wasnt for me though I did buy Levi. I appreciate the reviews that didnt have a lot of spoilers.

[Obitim]

Hey St Elmo,

I'd life to say the same as a lot of others on here regarding Omega, I've really enjoyed most other DLC from BW but this one I could take or leave to be far, it doesn't add a whole lot of stuff...

I really enjoyed Leviathan though!