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Havoc Strike might be the most underrated power in the game. Apparently a significant amount of people skip it or don't invest 6 points in it, when IMO, it is much better than biotic charge. It has a shorter cooldown, gives invulnerability frames and since stim packs are what gives you your shields back you can easily afford to equip ...

A Claymore :wub:

What makes the Claymore so freaking awesome, besides its brutal effectiveness and overall sexiness, is the fact that you can hide its reload with basically every single power in the game. 

For some powers (Havoc Strike, Biotic Charge, grenades, shadow strike ...) it's really easy. Just use the power immediately after a shot and the weapon will reload itself during the animation. For other powers (Cryo Blast, Stim Packs, Incinerate, Reave, Warp, Shield Boost ...), it's a bit trickier, there's got to be a small delay before you use your power. Here I use stim pack right after the Claymore shot, reload trick doesn't work. Here I wait a little bit and it does.

So, if you have incendiary ammo and you're looking at a group of mooks, use a stim pack, shoot your Claymore once without killing your target (easier said than done sometimes), immediately use havoc strike for the fire explosion and kill whatever survived with your reloaded Claymore.

Example : 0m18s and 4m23s

Be careful though, if your incendiary ammo kills the target before you get there, nearby enemies will not be staggered by Havoc Strike.

If they're not close to one another, you can shoot one enemy and immediately havoc strike another.

Example : 0m26s0m47s and 2m45s

Havoc Strike is also useful because it grants immunity frames. The best part : A Banshee's warp has the exact same cooldown as Havoc Strike, which means the Havoc doesn't give a **** about them when they're 1vs1. Stim packs have the same effect, so you can casually reload your gun right in front of a Cerberus Turret before destroying it.

Also, another Claymore tip. When you're aiming, don't just rely on your mouse or right analog stick. You can see here against those two phantoms, I barely use my mouse. I anticipate where the phantom's head going to be, then i don't move it at all and I use my lateral movement. When the head gets there, BOOM :D

My build is : http://narida.pytalh...rooperUpgrade5/

And IMO, it's the only build that makes sense. Havoc Strike is awesome, you obviously want as many points as possible in the passives, you rely on stim packs all the time and Cryo Blast is useful for debuffing bosses and freezing mooks, or as a crowd control tool. It's also the only offensive power you can use during Hacks/Escorts. Fitness is not needed at all since you'll be using stim packs quite often.

Gear is pretty obvious. Grenade Capacity. I prefer Shock Trooper against Reapers though. Any armor equipment besides Shields Power Cell and Stabilizition Modules is fine.

Obviously, the Havoc is no GI or anything, but he can be really effective and most importantly, he's really fun to play. Although I gotta honest, you do get a lot of BS with Havoc Strike. Like phantoms stabbing you without any warning or Havoc Striking right into a sync kill. At least now I know, do not, under any circumstance, havoc strike a praetorian :?

Modifié par Feneckus, 31 janvier 2013 - 04:50 .


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Stahlhammer

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Them headshots...

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I forgot to mention :

1. It's Gold
2. I did not edit any files
3. I did not lower my framerate
4. I wasn't playing with a laggy host
5. I did not stack consumables
6. I did not edit the video
7. I have no aimbot

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can you dual havoc strike offhost?

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0/10

No claymore, would not bang, would throw out airlock


Wait... there is claymore! Rejoice!

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Titus Thongger wrote...

can you dual havoc strike offhost?


It's obviously an exploit so I don't do it. It's cheap.

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Is Narida's builder updated for the last HS changes? Cause right now it doesn't reach the magic 1k needed to stagger our board's most beloved enemy.

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Annomander wrote...

0/10

No claymore, would not bang, would throw out airlock


Wait... there is claymore! Rejoice!


Annomander, can you explain this -> http://www.youtube.c...5ZJBv2E#t=6m30s

That phantom did not try to melee me, she shot her palm cannon, took cover and then immediately stabbed me. WTF ?

Stahlhammer wrote...

Is Narida's builder updated for the last HS changes?


No

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Yeah well, in the video, you never needed Havoc Strike because everything got mauled by the Claymore and you activated HS when they had two bars of health or armor that were about to be consumed by the incendiary effect. And how is this power better than Biotic Charge? You do a suicide strike and all you get is the weapon/melee damage increase. This power is beyond disorienting too.

As for the cooldown thing, I'm pretty sure you know that this power has a 0 second cooldown and you can carry a Claymore and a Typhoon without breaking a sweat, even if that means skipping Cryo Blast entirely. That's why the only build that makes sense, until Cryo Blast primes for CEs like Snap Freeze does, is the no-Cryo Blast melee build, AKA "dual strike" shenanigans. That's the only thing that makes this turd of a character unique, and it's a glitch.

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I'm still laughing my ass off at the reapers hydra space magic sync kill part. That was some impressive space magic, I mean, my connection isn't THAT laggy, riiiiight?

And no, I can't explain the phantom sync kill. Sometimes, phantoms just decide to sync kill you, usually only happens with freshly spawned phantoms *shrug*. It's no doubt working as intended.

Modifié par Annomander, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:03 .


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As for the invincibility frames granted by HS: you take no damage only during the first part [flying back] of the animation, the second one [actual charging] saves you from nothing.

I wish it was the other way...

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Yeah the same BS that can happen with charge applies to Havoc strike as well. Good video though.

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Annomander wrote...

I'm still laughing my ass off at the reapers hydra space magic sync kill part. That was some impressive space magic, I mean, my connection isn't THAT laggy, riiiiight?

And no, I can't explain the phantom sync kill. Sometimes, phantoms just decide to sync kill you, usually only happens with freshly spawned phantoms *shrug*. It's no doubt working as intended.


It's not like it affects you anyway, given that you set sync kill % to 0 in your .ini file.

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MetalDeggial wrote...

Yeah well, in the video, you never needed Havoc Strike because everything got mauled by the Claymore and you activated HS when they had two bars of health or armor that were about to be consumed by the incendiary effect.


I had a Shotgun Rail Amp III, Incendiary IV and Shock Trooper gear. Havoc Strike would have much more useful without those high level consumables and grenade capacity.

And how is this power better than Biotic Charge?

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Can you survive when two cerberus turrets are shooting at you with biotic charge ? Because you can with Havoc Strike. :wizard:

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Thanks for the guide and vid !

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 Hey, I've never thought I would have seen you soloing, Feneckus ;)

Great job showcasing the potential of this kit. I used to enjoy him a lot before the nerf, but I stoppetd playing him after out of anger. Now that they buffed him a bit I'm gonna play him again. I'm gonna use the same build. I'll need to spend a respec card to remove the power damage from the passive though, now that I'm able to stun Phantoms without it.

Also, I liked that you included some fails too, it made me chuckle :happy: Phantoms can be real BS-biatches sometimes. And yeah, Havoc striking a Praetorian is rarely a good idea :lol:

Also, lol at the Phantom at 4:47 :D

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I can do this far, far better with the Drell Vanguard with better passives, grenades to set off FEs and hamster-on-crack movement speed.

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Deerber wrote...

I used to enjoy him a lot before the nerf, but I stoppetd playing him after out of anger. 


Same here ...

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

I can do this far, far better with the Drell Vanguard with better passives, grenades to set off FEs and hamster-on-crack movement speed.


The Drell Vanguard is arguably the best character in the game. Being less effective than him doesn't mean anything ...

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BlackDahlia424 wrote...

I can do this far, far better with the Drell Vanguard with better passives, grenades to set off FEs and hamster-on-crack movement speed.


As a great fan of the Drellguard, I can tell you... No, you can't. At least some of the things he did. There are certain situations in which he survived and you wouldn't have been able, as a Drellguard.


... Now, the fact that you wouldn't have been in the same situation because you would have cleared everything before they could hit you, is another thing.


Also, I'm sure Feneckus is not trying to say that the Havok is better than the Drellguard, so I don't understand why you took that into the argument... :?

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Feneckus wrote...


BlackDahlia424 wrote...

I can do this far, far better with the Drell Vanguard with better passives, grenades to set off FEs and hamster-on-crack movement speed.


The Drell Vanguard is arguably the best character in the game. Being less effective than him doesn't mean anything ...


:mellow:

how things have changed

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Kalas321 wrote...

Feneckus wrote...


BlackDahlia424 wrote...

I can do this far, far better with the Drell Vanguard with better passives, grenades to set off FEs and hamster-on-crack movement speed.


The Drell Vanguard is arguably the best character in the game. Being less effective than him doesn't mean anything ...


:mellow:

how things have changed


They never changed. Drell Vanguard has always been the best character in the game.

It's just that people has started to see the light, now :devil:

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I saw a lot of FE/Incendiary/Claymore doing its job happening. And you using Havov to kill monks that would have gone down with one Claymore shot to the head. Using on enemies that only had 2 or so armor left (ravager/brute). Finishing a single Banshee. Fighting Reaper that is the easiest faction on gold now.

Not convinced, sorry. You're a good player that made a so, so power work.

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Feneckus wrote...

MetalDeggial wrote...

Yeah well, in the video, you never needed Havoc Strike because everything got mauled by the Claymore and you activated HS when they had two bars of health or armor that were about to be consumed by the incendiary effect.


I had a Shotgun Rail Amp III, Incendiary IV and Shock Trooper gear. Havoc Strike would have much more useful without those high level consumables and grenade capacity.

And how is this power better than Biotic Charge?

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Can you survive when two cerberus turrets are shooting at you with biotic charge ? Because you can with Havoc Strike. :wizard:


It's called bonus power (6A evo) bro. Use it. I use it and it rocks. All those "art of Drellguard" videos are jokes since nobody is using bonus power with him. Also, Biotic Charge + melee with the Slayer and Brawler, Kroguard, Nova and the Protector with bonus power and Shield Boost, etc. Gotta get those damage reduction bonuses going.

Really, there is nothing Havoc Strike can do better than Biotic Charge, outside of getting you killed more often by sync-kill-happy units.

The dual strike is the only thing this character has going for it.

Also, you are saying that Havoc Strike is more effective... when you don't take good equipment? Lolwat. Yeah, I love handicapping myself just to make that one power "relevant". Accept it, this guy is just his Stimpacks and his Armiger passives. He is what his gun is.

Modifié par MetalDeggial, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:24 .


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CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

It's not like it affects you anyway, given that you set sync kill % to 0 in your .ini file.


Mine is at -5%, it's totally epic when a Banshee kills herself from time to time. 

Not that I'd see it often since I basically one-shot any enemy in the game with my trusty Avenger.

Modifié par spudspot, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:19 .


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So, with full weapon damage in passive and Incendiary Strike you still have 1k N force?

Sweet :)