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[lightswitch]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I still don't see why you're taking 6 points in Havoc Strike. You hardly ever HS enemies which are not isolated - nor should you.

3 or 4 points is enough IMO.

I use Havoc Strike on groups of enemies all the time. Why wouldn't I? The THS, when played properly, is almost impossible to kill. Especially now with the buff to the force of Havoc Strike.

I don't even need to spam Stim Packs, I take shock trooper upgrade.

Modifié par lightswitch, 01 février 2013 - 04:59 .

[d_nought]

MetalDeggial wrote...

It's called bonus power (6A evo) bro. Use it. I use it and it rocks.

All those "art of Drellguard" videos are jokes since nobody is using bonus power with him. Also, Biotic Charge + melee with the Slayer and Brawler, Kroguard, Nova and the Protector with bonus power and Shield Boost, etc. Gotta get those damage reduction bonuses going.

 

MetalDeggial wrote...
bonus power (6A evo) bro.

bonus power and Shield
Boost, etc. Gotta get those damage reduction bonuses going.

 

MetalDeggial wrote...
6A evo

damage reduction

Do I want a 100% chance of being able to absorb more damage through extra shields + charge DR or a 33% chance of using a power which most likely does not grant damage reduction and will only be used with 50% of my shields up? Hmm...

[WesternUnicorn]

You can backdash immediately out of a Havoc Strike if you do one immediately after the wind-up for havoc stirke. Prob a safer way to get sync killers.

[Feneckus]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

I still don't see why you're taking 6 points in Havoc Strike. You hardly ever HS enemies which are not isolated - nor should you.

3 or 4 points is enough IMO.

I do it all the time 

And the weapon synergy at rank 5 is too good to skip. That's why I sometimes Havoc Strike something even though I know the incendiary ammo will kill it.

BlackDahlia424 wrote...

If I don't see anything the Havoc does better, then why use it over the DV?

Then why use anything else than a GI with armored compartments ?

2. They are far more reliable, at least in my experience. Stim packs are about as bad off host for me as Ops packs. They activate after you die a lot, and sometimes it'll activate and won't refill my shields at all.

IMO, the Drellguard is much worse off host than the Havoc. I don't have to press a button 10 times to refill my shields, havoc strike usually triggers instantly and I'm not throwing air instead of grenades 30% of the time.

WesternUnicorn wrote...

You can backdash immediately out of a Havoc Strike if you do one immediately after the wind-up for havoc stirke. Prob a safer way to get sync killers.

Unless I see a dev saying it was intended, I'm not gonna do it. Probably an exploit.

[valium]

I always liked the havoc soldier, havoc strike + jetpack dashing always felt slick.

[Rapidfire Widow]

I want the Havoc. I want him so bad.

On another note, a class I thought I would hate because I hate Volus, the Mecenary Sentinel, I found is fun because I get a pet drone and a pet decoy, and I love them forever and ever even though they don't do any thing remotely useful. I roll everywhere and call my drone patsy and tell him to make horse hoof noises with coconuts.

[_sigge_]

I want a Havoc soldier with incindiery grenades instead of cryo blast .

[megabeast37215]

Feneckus wrote...

WesternUnicorn wrote...

You can backdash immediately out of a Havoc Strike if you do one immediately after the wind-up for havoc stirke. Prob a safer way to get sync killers.

Unless I see a dev saying it was intended, I'm not gonna do it. Probably an exploit.

I'm pretty sure it's not an exploit. It feels alot like back-dodging with the Slayer after you charged a sync-killer. It let's me Havoc Strike Praetorians and get away with it... the Banshees however, will still get you sometimes.

That was a good read/video Feneckus... thanks. Really enjoy your builds/threads/tips.

Question: What purpose does Cryo Blast really serve you? I watched the video and saw you use it to CC mooks occasionally... but it wasn't really needed IMO, as you could've tanked their weak damage with a stim pack. I mean... I get that a Cryo Blasted target will take +50% more damage after a successful Havoc Strike... but that is so situational/rare b/c unless you spec duration on Cryo Blast, your debuff or your HS weapon damage buff will end before you can reap the benefits of both at the same time.

[Feneckus]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Question: What purpose does Cryo Blast really serve you?

Mostly it's there to debuff bosses. You can get some serious damage with Cryo Blast + Havoc Strike's weapon synergy. You can only get those two bonuses at the same time for a single shot but that's enough. It's also the only power you can use during hacks or escorts. I don't like being useless during those.

You can also use it for crowd control, but it's pretty rare since foes with health are hard to come by on gold+. Happens more often vs Reapers though because you have Cannibals and Husks.

[megabeast37215]

Feneckus wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Question: What purpose does Cryo Blast really serve you?

Mostly it's there to debuff bosses. You can get some serious damage with Cryo Blast + Havoc Strike's weapon synergy. You can only get those two bonuses at the same time for a single shot but that's enough. It's also the only power you can use during hacks or escorts. I don't like being useless during those.

You can also use it for crowd control, but it's pretty rare since foes with health are hard to come by on gold+. Happens more often vs Reapers though because you have Cannibals and Husks.

During Hacks/Escorts... you can Havoc Strike a target, shoot it then backwards dodge and you will be in the circle or very near the circle unless you jumped halfway across the map. I do this with the Slayer also. I can see your point... it just seems like a poor use of 21 character points IMHO.

I'd have to see the boss damage with both bonuses at the same time to make an informed opinion there...

Edit: Have you tried this guy with the Brophoon? I really like it on him...

Modifié par megabeast37215, 01 février 2013 - 10:43 .

[megabeast37215]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

25% Debuff is awesome.

Thanks Captain Obvious... where would we be without you

[megabeast37215]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Well apparently without me here to point it out you wouldn't have been able to figure out why someone would spec into it.

I actually use this kit with some regularity... and I've never felt that I missed out on Cryo Blast. It's like Shockwave on a Novaguard, Biotic Slash on the Slayer or Carnage on a Kroguard... it's redundant, gets in the way of Charge/Havoc Strike... and is ultimately a not-needed luxury.

There wasn't exactly a snow-storm of Cryo Blasts in the video bro...

[Deerber]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Well apparently without me here to point it out you wouldn't have been able to figure out why someone would spec into it.

I actually use this kit with some regularity... and I've never felt that I missed out on Cryo Blast. It's like Shockwave on a Novaguard, Biotic Slash on the Slayer or Carnage on a Kroguard... it's redundant, gets in the way of Charge/Havoc Strike... and is ultimately a not-needed luxury.

There wasn't exactly a snow-storm of Cryo Blasts in the video bro...

In my experience, not at all.

Modifié par Deerber, 01 février 2013 - 11:11 .

[Feneckus]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I can see your point... it just seems like a poor use of 21 character points IMHO.

The thing is, where do you want invest those points ? Fitness ? You already have 2000+ shields whenever you use a stim pack. If that's not enough, you can still take another one. And both stim packs and havoc strike give you immunity frames. So it's really a waste to invest any points in fitness.

Also, Cryo Blast is awesome against Collectors because havoc striking a praetorian is a really stupid idea. Scions too to a lesser extent. So you'll rely on Cryo Blast much more because it's the only reliable way to boost your DPS.

[megabeast37215]

Feneckus wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

I can see your point... it just seems like a poor use of 21 character points IMHO.

The thing is, where do you want invest those points ? Fitness ? You already have 2000+ shields whenever you use a stim pack. If that's not enough, you can still take another one. And both stim packs and havoc strike give you immunity frames. So it's really a waste to invest any points in fitness.

Also, Cryo Blast is awesome against Collectors because havoc striking a praetorian is a really stupid idea. Scions too to a lesser extent. So you'll rely on Cryo Blast much more because it's the only reliable way to boost your DPS.

I ended up putting them in fitness b/c I didn't really have a place for them where they were really NEEDED. All I ever did with the guy was Havoc Strike, Shoot and jump around if I took some damage, or stimpack. I was always more concerned with keeping enemies constantly staggered/dead with a barrage of Havoc Strikes/weapon fire.

I Havoc Strike Praetorians/Scions all the time... but I back-dodge right afterwards. There's not much threat there... the Jetpack dodge will quickly get you clear of trouble if they perform their melee. Other than a jumping Banshee or a pair of Primes... I'll Havoc Strike pretty much anything.

I'm gonna try him with the Claymore and practice using HS to hide the reload the way you did... that was really appealing.

[Guglio08]

CmnDwnWrkn wrote...

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

@CmnDwnWrkn
Your on Xbox right?

PS3

I would just like to add that I've played with CmnDwnWrkn before and he was a perfectly competent and capable player. I don't agree or disagree with his views, but compared to most of the bad PS3 Gold players, he's pretty good. Take that for what you think it's worth, I guess.