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[Obadiah]

It was a decent mission. As others have said, I didn't like the auto-dialogue, but then I don't like that scene in ME1 either in front of the lockers after the Council bails on Shep, and he acts all beaten/depressed.

In fact, having just finished playing ME1, story-wise I'm surprised at how many similarities there are between ME1 and ME3. ME3 is a better story though, but ME1 ends better.

[Maxster_]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bad writing, bad level design, bad animating, etc.

This one also great. Blatant lies, goebbells's style.
Well, i guess "crucible reveal" goes into "bad writing" category

[BirdsallSa]

Uncle Jo wrote...

k.lalh wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Why did Leng kill the scientists, leave their bodies lying there in plain sight, but lock the door from the outside? So no one but Shep could get it? Makes no sense either.

I think that Shep had to be the one to retrieve it, as Leng was indoctrinated. The VI had fail safes that prevented it from being activated by an indoctrinated individual.

You're right but how TIM did override Vendetta's security protocols is beyond me. Cerberus achieved in a few days what the Asari coudn't do in millenias. Cerberus is awesome.

Again, if you paid attention to the plot, it would be obvious. Cerberus has reaper tech.

[AresKeith]

I can't tell who's a bigger troll right now Yate or BirdSallSa

[Exile Isan]

Yate wrote...

I would support making the mission longer, but then we'd just get more whining from the Liara-haters.

I had no problems with taking Liara with me, it made sense since it's her homeworld and I would have taken her with me even if the game hadn't made me take her with me (same with Eden Prime). What I had problems with was her acting like Thessia was the only world being attacked, or that the asari were the only people being Reapified. And it was horrible only because they were asari. Like Garrus and Shep don't have a hard time shooting husks, marauders, brutes and cannibals? Especially brutes and cannibals since they are to species merged together. And acting like the Alliance isn't fighting their own fights. I understand her being upset because it is her homeworld and her people, but such elitism has never been part of Liara's character and it irritated me that it suddenly was part of her character.

I was also annoyed with how easy gameplay wise Kai Leng was to beat, but had such tough plot armor. And I was annoyed that Shep couldn't call out Tevos for not telling her about the beacon ages ago.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 31 janvier 2013 - 10:24 .

[k.lalh]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

(snip)

Which opens up a whole slew of questions concerning why that is. How did Cerberus know about it, how did they know where it was, how did they know Shepard knew, how did they know what it contained, how did they know Shepard was going there and when she would arrive, why was Shepard needed when the asari have been using it all this time. 

Hmm, yeah. Good point. I'm going to go with a BirdSallSA supported answer:

It was art.

[Uncle Jo]

AresKeith wrote...

I can't tell who's a bigger troll right now Yate or BirdSallSa

Yate is not a troll. An agressive (sometimes) pro-ender, but not a troll. The other on the contrary...

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 31 janvier 2013 - 10:26 .

[k.lalh]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

 You're right but how TIM did override Vendetta's security protocols is beyond me. Cerberus achieved in a few days what the Asari coudn't do in millenias. Cerberus is awesome.

Again, if you paid attention to the plot, it would be obvious. Cerberus has reaper tech.

Actually, I'm going to support BirdsallSa on just this one point. Cerberus salvaged the CPU of the human reaper, which could be used to hack the VI.

/support

However, the issue is, how did they manage to get that tech, even though I blew up the Collector base?

[Uncle Jo]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

k.lalh wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

Why did Leng kill the scientists, leave their bodies lying there in plain sight, but lock the door from the outside? So no one but Shep could get it? Makes no sense either.

I think that Shep had to be the one to retrieve it, as Leng was indoctrinated. The VI had fail safes that prevented it from being activated by an indoctrinated individual.

Which opens up a whole slew of questions concerning why that is. How did Cerberus know about it, how did they know where it was, how did they know Shepard knew, how did they know what it contained, how did they know Shepard was going there and when she would arrive, why was Shepard needed when the asari have been using it all this time. 

They had a mole on the Normandy (Headcanon).

[Ledgend1221]

Liara, Shut the **** up and let me take someone useful.

[BirdsallSa]

k.lalh wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

 You're right but how TIM did override Vendetta's security protocols is beyond me. Cerberus achieved in a few days what the Asari coudn't do in millenias. Cerberus is awesome.

Again, if you paid attention to the plot, it would be obvious. Cerberus has reaper tech.

Actually, I'm going to support BirdsallSa on just this one point. Cerberus salvaged the CPU of the human reaper, which could be used to hack the VI.

/support

However, the issue is, how did they manage to get that tech, even though I blew up the Collector base?

We destroyed Sovereign and there was plenty of him left around the Citadel.

[Steelcan]

Yate wrote...


some people still think it's a plothole and/or bad writing that TIM thought he could control the reapers

like

what did you think that whole Sanctuary mission was about

. You're not hopeless

[TheCrazyHobo]

Yate wrote...


he had a gunship and prior knowledge of the terrain

1. He had such a good knowledge of the terrain that he stood in the open......
2. Did you play Mass Effect 2? Shepherd downs at least half a dozen Gunships through the course of it.

[BirdsallSa]

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

Yate wrote...


he had a gunship and prior knowledge of the terrain

1. He had such a good knowledge of the terrain that he stood in the open......
2. Did you play Mass Effect 2? Shepherd downs at least half a dozen Gunships through the course of it.

How many times must I post that the Cerberus gunship was using Reaper tech. This isn't some run of the mill merc ship that was put together by a bunch of people who just learned how to hold a hammer.

[Lost Mercenary]

My only problem with Thessia was the after affects it had on Shepard. I just didn't really buy that either Shep, be they paragon or renegade would let this affect them so badly. Earth, sure I could get that, but Thessia? C'mon... Ok, they did lose Vendetta to Cerberus so that might have contributed to it but nearly all versions would have got their **** together insantly, and gone after them without moping.

Apart from that I loved Thessia. The sight of that Reaper against the sunset is one of the most stunning visuals in the entire game. And Javik is awesome to bring along. "YOU HAVE AN INTERESTING CONCEPT OF SAFETY!"

[k.lalh]

BirdsallSa wrote...

(snip)

We destroyed Sovereign and there was plenty of him left around the Citadel.

That would be an assumption, it was nowhere stated that Cerberus obtained any tech from Sovereign. An easier explanation would be that it was retconned.

Why jump to that conclusion? See Occam's razor.

[Lost Mercenary]

k.lalh wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

(snip)

We destroyed Sovereign and there was plenty of him left around the Citadel.

That would be an assumption, it was nowhere stated that Cerberus obtained any tech from Sovereign. .

Actually that is not true. When you raid the Cerberus base and watch the file videos you learn that they retrieved tech from Soveriegn which was used in creating EDI.

Modifié par lostmercenary99, 31 janvier 2013 - 10:48 .

[Exile Isan]

k.lalh wrote...
That would be an assumption, it was nowhere stated that Cerberus obtained any tech from Sovereign. An easier explanation would be that it was retconned.

Why jump to that conclusion? See Occam's razor.

Because Anderson mentions illegal salvage that was happening on the Citadel when they were cleaning up after the "geth" attack. You don't think Cereberus would have been there to take advantage of the chaos and pick up a few pieces of Reaper tech?

Edit: and what lostmercenary99 said.

Modifié par Exile Isan, 31 janvier 2013 - 10:49 .

[Knight of Seven]

Liara being required for the mission.

[k.lalh]

Missed that vid.

I defer

Modifié par k.lalh, 31 janvier 2013 - 10:50 .

[Cuttlebone]

lostmercenary99 wrote...

My only problem with Thessia was the after affects it had on Shepard. I just didn't really buy that either Shep, be they paragon or renegade would let this affect them so badly. Earth, sure I could get that, but Thessia? C'mon... Ok, they did lose Vendetta to Cerberus so that might have contributed to it but nearly all versions would have got their **** together insantly, and gone after them without moping.

Apart from that I loved Thessia. The sight of that Reaper against the sunset is one of the most stunning visuals in the entire game. And Javik is awesome to bring along. "YOU HAVE AN INTERESTING CONCEPT OF SAFETY!"

In his defence, if I was Shepard I'd be depressed too for losing in such a pathetic way, no matter if renegade or paragon.

[Exile Isan]

k.lalh wrote...
That would involve me making an assumption. So no, I did not come to that conclusion.

EDI was also created using Reaper tech recover from Sovereign and the rogue VI on Luna.

EDI says after you unshackle her: "It appears that my design includes hardware recovered from the wreckage of Sovereign." Which Cereberus salvaged pieces of Sovereign off the Citadel.

[Ghaleon]

The only good part is bringing Javik to crush some of that asari superiority attitude out of Liara.

[The Night Mammoth]

k.lalh wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

(snip)

Which opens up a whole slew of questions concerning why that is. How did Cerberus know about it, how did they know where it was, how did they know Shepard knew, how did they know what it contained, how did they know Shepard was going there and when she would arrive, why was Shepard needed when the asari have been using it all this time. 

Hmm, yeah. Good point. I'm going to go with a BirdSallSA supported answer:

It was art.

Don't get me wrong, Shepard having the Cipher and thus is the only one able to access the needed information makes sense, but there are still a whole lot of questions. Maybe if the coup happened after Rannoch, Councilor Tevos could be kidnapped, and as a result Cerberus finds out about the beacon, and, knowing Shepard has the Cipher thanks to Lazarus, deliberately leads her to Thessia and lays a trap, sabotaging the pillars with explosives in an attempt to kill her after the data is retrieved. 

Just typing out loud here, ignore the headcanon solutions. 

[k.lalh]

Exile Isan wrote...

k.lalh wrote...
That would involve me making an assumption. So no, I did not come to that conclusion.

EDI was also created using Reaper tech recover from Sovereign and the rogue VI on Luna.

EDI says after you unshackle her: "It appears that my design includes hardware recovered from the wreckage of Sovereign." Which Cereberus salvaged pieces of Sovereign off the Citadel.

Haven't played ME2 in a while. I concede my point about Cerberus obtaining reaper tech.