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[Argolas]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

I dunno about you, but in my case, gameplay Shepard kicked Kai Leng's ass again and again while he was cowarding behind an overpowered gunship. After that, cutscene Shepard took over and screwed up.

Modifié par Argolas, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:41 .

[Jake Boone]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Thessia was a fantastic mission and acts as foreshadowing of the Catalyst for those who don't own Leviathan. The fight scene with Kai Leng is epic and really sets the stage for a great finale.

I'm sorry, but there can be only one response to this.

[AresKeith]

It was too short to give any effect

It should have been a Hub or had more side missions

[RukiaKuchki]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Why the geth consensus is bad?

I want to ask the same question. It's a highly narrative-driven mission (there are always complaints that there is too much shooting and not enough story!), and you get to find out what sparked the Geth - Quarian conflict. I think some people are getting desperate finding things to complain about now!!!

[Kel Riever]

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

[BirdsallSa]

AresKeith wrote...

It was too short to give any effect

It should have been a Hub or had more side missions

Where would there be a Hub? Did you miss the part where the Reapers were tearing Thessia apart?

[Argolas]

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

As I said, there's nothing you can do. No matter how good you do, cutscene Shepard takes over and screws up.

Oh, and by the way, I even tried bringing Garrus for his solo gunship disabling skills. Didn't help either.

[Brhino]

Argolas wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

I dunno about you, but in my case, gameplay Shepard kicked Kai Leng's ass again and again while he was cowarding behind an overpowered gunship. After that, cutscene Shepard took over and screwed up.

Ignore BirdsallSa, he's a troll.

But you're right, and you hit the problem on the nose.  The Plot demanded that Shepard and Kai Leng fight, and Shepard lose.  I know that annoys some people, but I can deal with it.  But then the gameplay doesn't match up to it.  They didn't make Kai Leng impossible to beat... they made him very easy to beat, then gave him the inexplicable ability to be made invincible by a gunship (also apparently invincible, since shepard took down a half dozen of the things in ME2) and then made you lose during cutscenes.  No wonder people didn't like that.

Modifié par Brhino, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:46 .

[BirdsallSa]

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

[BirdsallSa]

Brhino wrote...

Argolas wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

I dunno about you, but in my case, gameplay Shepard kicked Kai Leng's ass again and again while he was cowarding behind an overpowered gunship. After that, cutscene Shepard took over and screwed up.

Ignore BirdsallSa, he's a troll.

But you're right, and you hit the problem on the nose.  The Plot demanded that Shepard and Kai Leng fight, and Shepard lose.  I know that annoys some people, but I can deal with it.  But then the gameplay doesn't match up to it.  They didn't make Kai Leng impossible to beat... they made him very easy to beat, then gave him the inexplicable ability to be made invincible by a gunship (also apparently invincible, since shepard took down a half dozen of the things in ME2) and then made you lose during cutscenes.  No wonder people didn't like that.

You're the troll. Did you want to just waltz right through the game with no conflict and Super Shepard triumphing over anything and everything? I for one was on the edge of my seat during the cutscene after the battle.

[Kel Riever]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

Wow.  You know what?  Kai Leng really is awesome!

[Konfined]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

Yep.  Just like on the Cerberus base.  He totally toys with Shepard throughout the entire fight whilst he as his mooks are getting riddled with bullets.  And how skilled Kai Leng was at the end- when Shepard gutted him with their Omniblade.  Kai Leng was a cereal killer with no equal, this is undeniable.

Modifié par Konfined, 31 janvier 2013 - 05:51 .

[k.lalh]

feriwan wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

Well, Shepard's not helpless. It was mostly the gunship that stopped Shepard.

I also love the part where Shepard taunts Kai Leng at the Cerberus headquaters.
And killing Kai Leng.

k.lalh wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That
fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in
the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's
might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

 You know, you're not impressing anyone laughing at peoples' opinions.

I'm not one to normally laugh at anyone's opinions. I'm pretty even handed and willing to accept new ideas. But come on. That HAD to be a joke. No one can seriously consider Leng anything but a major annoyance, as far as plot is concerned.

If anyone was offended, I apologize, but I'm still sticking to my above point.

[Belisarius25]

Javik makes it all better.

[Argolas]

Kel Riever wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

Wow.  You know what?  Kai Leng really is awesome!

Yeah.

[Ananka]

Thessia is ok. I don't have a problem with Kai Leng. I just hate Liara's dialogue.

[Cuttlebone]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Why the geth consensus is bad?

Even though it was enjoyable you have to admit it could get very boring, especially in the last part, kind of like a failed minigame whose only saving grace were the story sections, that weren't even that fantastic either. It was also pretty noticeable that its structure suffered a drastic last minute change since it is established before you ''log in'' that its gonna be dangerous entering the concensus and you are prolly going to be fighting geth\\reapers inside, which never really happens in the end, just bland corridors. The mission would had benefited a lot from some enemies, I can picture how it would have been in my mind, unlimited enemy hordes that stop spawning once you clear out a node.

[MassStorm]

Cuttlebone wrote...

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Why the geth consensus is bad?

Even though it was enjoyable you have to admit it could get very boring, especially in the last part, kind of like a failed minigame whose only saving grace were the story sections, that weren't even that fantastic either. It was also pretty noticeable that its structure suffered a drastic last minute change since it is established before you ''log in'' that its gonna be dangerous entering the concensus and you are prolly going to be fighting gethreapers inside, which never really happens in the end, just bland corridors. The mission would had benefited a lot from some enemies, I can picture how it would have been in my mind, unlimited enemy hordes that stop spawning once you clear out a node.

Pretty much my view on the question.

[BirdsallSa]

Konfined wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

Yep.  Just like on the Cerberus base.  He totally toys with Shepard throughout the entire fight whilst he as his mooks are getting riddled with bullets.  And how skilled Kai Leng was at the end- when Shepard gutted him with their Omniblade.  Kai Leng was a cereal killer with no equal, this is undeniable.

He accomplished his mission, which was to stall Shepard, not kill him. If you listened to the monitors throughout Chronos station, you would know this. Kai Leng even survived Shepard's onslaught at the end, as you can see him still moving. This was done deliberately by the game devlopers to show that Kai Leng has an indomitable will.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I suppose it depends what makes you like or dislike a mission. For me, I get most annoyed when a mission is built up with a solid, logical premise and then bombards you with WTF moments (see my previous rants on Corporal Toombs or Samara's loyalty mission).

I would have liked to see more of Thessia and asari civilization, but IMO that's not a fault of the mission per se so much as the series in general. In the context of the mission, it makes sense for it to be relatively short with a lot of combat in the first half - either you get to the scientists and retrieve the data, or you don't. (And, as it turns out, we don't.) While some of it is fairly generic, the Liara/Javik arguments (if you bring Javik), the conversation with TIM, and that brief epilogue where you hear all the frantic radio traffic and realize Thessia is about to fall all work well enough. It's just an average, middle-of-the-range mission in my book.

[Konfined]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Konfined wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Can someone please finally tell me how to beat Kai Leng?

Every time I play I end up losing the combat. What's the secret?

It's nearly impossible as he is an incredibly difficult boss fight. Rightfully so, given his character. Many of the people here claim they beat him with ease. They're over exaggerating. The only reason we are able to survive combat with Leng at all is because he's only toying with Shepard.

Yep.  Just like on the Cerberus base.  He totally toys with Shepard throughout the entire fight whilst he as his mooks are getting riddled with bullets.  And how skilled Kai Leng was at the end- when Shepard gutted him with their Omniblade.  Kai Leng was a cereal killer with no equal, this is undeniable.

He accomplished his mission, which was to stall Shepard, not kill him. If you listened to the monitors throughout Chronos station, you would know this. Kai Leng even survived Shepard's onslaught at the end, as you can see him still moving. This was done deliberately by the game devlopers to show that Kai Leng has an indomitable will.

Indeed.  And in the end, we saw a truly magnificent example of Kai Leng's intestinal fortitude.  All over the floor.

Modifié par Konfined, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:10 .

[kalasaurus]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Javik makes it all better.

Javik should have been a locked squadmate for all he brings to the mission.

The mission is alright.  I genuinely felt sad after watching Thessia fall, so Shepard's reaction didn't bother me.  I may be one of the few to feel that way here 

I wish Thessia had more missions like Tuchanka or Rannoch, though.

[IanPolaris]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

Kai Leng should have gone down after two shots with my Black Widow after I shorted his shields.  Kai Leng only wins because of the power of plot, and the game doesn't even bother to hide it.

-Polaris

[Cuttlebone]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

I suppose it depends what makes you like or dislike a mission. For me, I get most annoyed when a mission is built up with a solid, logical premise and then bombards you with WTF moments (see my previous rants on Corporal Toombs or Samara's loyalty mission).

I would have liked to see more of Thessia and asari civilization, but IMO that's not a fault of the mission per se so much as the series in general. In the context of the mission, it makes sense for it to be relatively short with a lot of combat in the first half - either you get to the scientists and retrieve the data, or you don't. (And, as it turns out, we don't.) While some of it is fairly generic, the Liara/Javik arguments (if you bring Javik), the conversation with TIM, and that brief epilogue where you hear all the frantic radio traffic and realize Thessia is about to fall all work well enough. It's just an average, middle-of-the-range mission in my book.

Your rant on the Toombs mission was completely discredited in the end, it is pretty clear neither Toombs nor his mercenaries knew it was commander Shepard untill the very end when he enters the room with the hostage, and then and only then the corporal recognizes him, otherwise they though Shepard and his crew came in behalf of cerberus to wipe them out.

IMAO the real problem with Thessia was, other than being kind of short, that it was cheesy, very, very cheesy.

[BirdsallSa]

IanPolaris wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

Kai Leng should have gone down after two shots with my Black Widow after I shorted his shields.  Kai Leng only wins because of the power of plot, and the game doesn't even bother to hide it.

-Polaris

I've said this already, Kai Leng was holding back. Kai Leng and The Illusive man even discuss the multiple times Leng could have killed Shepard but TIM wasn't "willing to count Shepard off as a total loss just yet".  He wins because he was the better man on that day.