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[GoldenPersona]

People hate the Geth Consensus mission? Are people really this inconsistent? People complain that ME3 was all shooting (even though it had better implemented RPG elements than ME2, and while it was far less of an RPG than ME1, ME is pretty mediocre as a RPG shooter rather than shooter with RPG elements) and then the ONE mission they give us that takes a break from the shooting and decides to give us the real story about the Geth and Quarian conflict, not to mention an OPTIONAL mission, and they hate that to?

That's pretty much all the proof you need that a lot of Mass Effect fans don't even know what they want. What a whiny world.

You know I want Bioware to make an alternate ending for one reason. So I can see the new batch of complaints that the BSN can come up with about not getting what they want. Make it free too, it will make the self-entitlement that much more delicious.

Modifié par GoldenPersona, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:38 .

[JBPBRC]

BirdsallSa wrote...

How exactly did Thane beat him? What I remember seeing is Thane getting killed while Shepard watches and does nothing like a coward. Leng was the better man, that day and on Thessia, and he could have just sneak killed Shepard on Chronos Station. But like I've said before THAT WAS NOT HIS JOB!

Thane beat him because Kai Lame failed to achieve his objective of killing a helpless and unarmed Salarian when he was confronted by a dying Drell suffering from bouts of dizziness and had difficulty breathing.

Shepard is still an idiot whenever Kai Lame is concerned of course, regardless of whether or not the Councilor dies.

[Steelcan]

People hate Geth Consensus because it white washes the geth.

[tanisha__unknown]

Just two words:

Kai Leng.

I don't hate hime, then again, I haven't read the novels. I don't hate Priority Thessia, but most people consider him a bad joke, not really an anti-Shepard which he was supposed to be, guessing from the forums.

[MACharlie1]

GoldenPersona wrote...

People hate the Geth Consensus mission? Are people really this inconsistent? People complain that ME3 was all shooting (even though it had better implemented RPG elements than ME2, and while it was far less of an RPG than ME1, ME is pretty mediocre as a RPG shooter rather than shooter with RPG elements) and then the ONE mission they give us that takes a break from the shooting and decides to give us the real story about the Geth and Quarian conflict, not to mention an OPTIONAL mission, and they hate that to?

That's pretty much all the proof you need that a lot of Mass Effect fans don't even know what they want. What a whiny world.

You know I want Bioware to make an alternate ending for one reason. So I can see the new batch of complaints that the BSN can come up with about not getting what they want. Make it free too, it will make the self-entitlement that much more delicious.

The problem with the Geth consensus was that it totally white washed Geth atrocities. It didn't point out that the Geth did in fact wipe out 2/3 of the Quarian population and killed anyone who ventured beyond the veil. It was just a very biased storyline and we are forced to accept it. 

It doesn't help that in the leak the mission was supposed to be so much better with us being able to actually communicate with virtual Quarians outside the helmet. It's just another mission that was obviously rushed. 

[Steelcan]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Three reasons...for me anyway...:

1. Asari princess's fatigue

2. Kai Leng

3. For heavens sake don't speak to Joker after Thessia...apparently Asari loss gives Shep a melt down....<_<

[Guglio08]

Kai Leng. I would have beaten him if not for the cut scene intervening. BirdsallSa, that is why Kai Leng is a terrible character. He doesn't win because he's a superior combatant, he wins because the game takes control away from the player and forces you to lose. How you can think any different is honestly beyond my comprehension.

[LTKerr]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Thessia was a fantastic mission and acts as foreshadowing of the Catalyst for those who don't own Leviathan. The fight scene with Kai Leng is epic and really sets the stage for a great finale.

Epic? What the...? All fights against Raiden Kai Leng are the same: first, an easy battle where you can beat him so easily it's almost boring. Second, Bioware shows up and says "no, you can't beat him, he's too powerful" and finally you get an scene where Shepards looses for whatever ridiculous reason no matter what. Oh, and don't forget the letter that proves Leng has some kind of brain damage. Enjoy.

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EAT OUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!!

Modifié par LTKerr, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:44 .

[Shepard108278]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

I agree. I've never understood two things about this mission and the bsn.
1. Why so many don't take Javik.
2. Why it's so hated especially Kai Leng I quite liked the character.

[Cuttlebone]

GoldenPersona wrote...

People hate the Geth Consensus mission? Are people really this inconsistent? People complain that ME3 was all shooting (even though it had better implemented RPG elements than ME2, and while it was far less of an RPG than ME1, ME is pretty mediocre as a RPG shooter rather than shooter with RPG elements) and then the ONE mission they give us that takes a break from the shooting and decides to give us the real story about the Geth and Quarian conflict, not to mention an OPTIONAL mission, and they hate that to?

That's pretty much all the proof you need that a lot of Mass Effect fans don't even know what they want. What a whiny world.

You know I want Bioware to make an alternate ending for one reason. So I can see the new batch of complaints that the BSN can come up with about not getting what they want. Make it free too, it will make the self-entitlement that much more delicious.

FFS, hasn't it ocurred to you that maybe the BSN is not a single person? that the people who complain about the geth concensus are not the same as those who complain about the excessive shooting? of course it hasn't

[Shepard108278]

GoldenPersona wrote...

People hate the Geth Consensus mission? Are people really this inconsistent? People complain that ME3 was all shooting (even though it had better implemented RPG elements than ME2, and while it was far less of an RPG than ME1, ME is pretty mediocre as a RPG shooter rather than shooter with RPG elements) and then the ONE mission they give us that takes a break from the shooting and decides to give us the real story about the Geth and Quarian conflict, not to mention an OPTIONAL mission, and they hate that to?

That's pretty much all the proof you need that a lot of Mass Effect fans don't even know what they want. What a whiny world.

You know I want Bioware to make an alternate ending for one reason. So I can see the new batch of complaints that the BSN can come up with about not getting what they want. Make it free too, it will make the self-entitlement that much more delicious.

Agreed.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

My only complaint with the Thessia mission was the length. A little more buildup would have been nice. Same applies to a lot of things in the entire trilogy, really.

[Barquiel]

GoldenPersona wrote...

People hate the Geth Consensus mission?

The people who complain about the mission are usually the geth haters/quarian fans

2 games quarian "propaganda" = great
1 mission geth "propaganda" = bad

[Femlob]

Why do people hate Priority: Thessia?

Asari whaaambulance, Cereal Leng and his gunship IDDQD, pick your poison.

[JBPBRC]

Jinx1720 wrote...

Just two words:

Kai Leng.

I don't hate hime, then again, I haven't read the novels. I don't hate Priority Thessia, but most people consider him a bad joke, not really an anti-Shepard which he was supposed to be, guessing from the forums.

Executioner25 Defeat an old adversary.

Part of this is I assume based off of this achievement which is gotten after killing Kai Lame.

How he counts as an "old adversary" I do not know.

Modifié par JBPBRC, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:47 .

[ebevan91]

People hate Thessia because it was rushed, along with probably the remaining 2nd half of the game.

I think after the Quarian/Geth missions, the quality and length of missions dropped dramatically.

[Auld Wulf]

I'm of two minds about Thessia.

The Geth Consensus mission was brilliant, because it introduced us to a lot of geth-quarian lore, which revealed even more of how the quarian military is made up of fascist crazies who'd happily kill their own people for even the silliest of reasons. I was getting hints of that in ME1, ME2 started setting off alarm bells, and ME3 provided a finality to that growing feeling I'd had anyway.

Operation: Earth was probably my least favourite, mostly because I don't think it reflected the war assets enough. One person made a case that if you save both the quarians and the geth, you should have Rannoch fleet reporting in, made up of both species; and you should get to talk to the prime on earth as well. There are some brilliant lines in the data files for speaking to one, so I can only imagine it was an oversight or limited time that left it out.

So Operation: Earth was definitely my least favourite part. I was glad to get to the catalyst (and I know I'm one of the few people who enjoyed the ending). Thessia... Thessia. Hm. See, I love the aesthetics of Thessia, don't get me wrong, there. It's a breathtakingly beautiful planet, sometimes you just have to stop and look around the vistas presented by the skybox. Even in firey ruins it's still a hauntingly beautiful place, and one of the best meshes of fantasy and sci-fi I've seen in a videogame. Those spires...

But the mission? Walk. Shoot. Walk. Shoot. I almost fell asleep. The problem with me is that I'm the reverse of most people. "HUH? Did something interesting happen?" That moment for me won't be when the shooting starts, but when it ends. I'm the same with movies and TV series, I'm much more interested in the day to day life of people in a fantastic world, or the adventures of them, rather than them killing each other. Action is just a boring and monotonous thing, it needs variety to break it up.

Thessia didn't have variety. That was the problem. There was no Thessian lore. If it was a la mode of the consensus, with lots of information sprinkled in, it would have been more tolerable. But there was no lore, no dialogue, no new gameplay mechanics, and it was just boring. If I want that kind of thing I can play multiplayer, and multiplayer has the dynamic of other people (which I enjoy) and being able to play as aliens.

And it resulted in a genuinely dull 'boss battle' that I could have done without. I'm really not a fan of them and they just feel like they're filler at this point. Videogame content should be about variety, but all boss battles comprise of is memorising one or two patterns and then repeating them over and over and over. This is why in old arcade shmups, the stages were always more interesting than the bosses (in some cases the stages were the bosses, and cleverly done, and in that way they were enjoyable). See R-Type. But I digress.

So Thessia was beautiful but Thessia was also boring. It wasn't the worst, that's still Earth for me. But it was definitely second-worst, and outshone by the rest of the game.

[JBPBRC]

LTKerr wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Thessia was a fantastic mission and acts as foreshadowing of the Catalyst for those who don't own Leviathan. The fight scene with Kai Leng is epic and really sets the stage for a great finale.

Epic? What the...? All fights against Raiden Kai Leng are the same: first, an easy battle where you can beat him so easily it's almost boring. Second, Bioware shows up and says "no, you can't beat him, he's too powerful" and finally you get an scene where Shepards looses for whatever ridiculous reason no matter what. Oh, and don't forget the letter that proves Leng has some kind of brain damage. Enjoy.

https://i.chzbgr.com...0672/hD29EE052/

EAT OUR ARTISTIC INTEGRITY!!

Oh my...this post! Amazing! 

Scale discrepancies between King Kong and Godzilla aside of course. <_<

Modifié par JBPBRC, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:49 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

jstme wrote...
Pro-ender cliche rolled into one bit? It is all act, on purpose. If you like feeding trolls though - go ahead.

But he's worked out the character so well, seems like a waste to not encourage.

[AlexMBrennan]

1) Kai
2) Go watch the video on masseffect.com about interactive storytelling
3) Kai

It would also have been nice to call out the councillor on her bovine excrement (telling Shepard a bit earlier about the intact prothean beacon that might be relevant to the prothean-designed "hail Mary" super weapon could have helped avoid a lot of casualties)

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 31 janvier 2013 - 06:52 .

[Slashice]

Because it's Thessia where all the storyline went FUBAR. Wonder if it has anything to do with Walters....

[Barquiel]

Slashice wrote...

Because it's Thessia where all the storyline went FUBAR. Wonder if it has anything to do with Walters....

I don't think so. John Dombrow wrote Thessia

[themikefest]

I didn't like T'Soni whing the whole time

when she says "the next time we go to war maybe the Alliance could provide support"
my renegade femshep would've turned around and say "shut the f**k up. Your f**king government hid this artifact from us while the reapers invade other planets and only now tell us about the artifact

the fight with Kai Leng for me was a joke
Why didn't he just stab T'Soni instead of throwing her?

on the ship with Joker telling the joke,my femshep would've laughed and told her own joke as well

also why no renegade interrupt when talking to the Asari councilor

[ruggly]

I think it was mostly the length for me. Both Tuchanka and Rannoch contained side missions and then it's in-n-out for Thessia. I feel like they could've done more with it. Also, Plot Armor Leng. I don't mind losing, but not like that. Never like that.

[JBPBRC]

themikefest wrote...

I didn't like T'Soni whing the whole time

when she says "the next time we go to war maybe the Alliance could provide support"
my renegade femshep would've turned around and say "shut the f**k up. Your f**king government hid this artifact from us while the reapers invade other planets and only now tell us about the artifact

...Wait. Did she actually say this? 

*facepalms all up in this thread*