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[BirdsallSa]

You guys are on a Bioware fan site, complaining about a Bioware fan praising Bioware. Do you guys even think about what you post?

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Okay I will concede that Liara was absolutely terrible in this mission but I will go no further than that.

A Shepard romancing Liara should have been able to hug Liara after the Fall of Thessia, that's my only complaint.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. The Turians/Garrus insisted we must recruit space somalia at the cost of pissing off a galactic superpower (while the Asari are the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo). I certainly don't blame Liara for being upset (it would be pretty hypocritical too).

. I don't even know where to start with this.

[Barquiel]

BirdsallSa wrote...

And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

The asari joined the war effort after the Cerberus coup. So virtually the same time as anyone else does, but without demanding anything in return (or some shiny mission). The krogan demanded a cure, the Turians demanded krogan support, the Salarians demanded to sabotage the cure, the quarians demanded Rannoch. That has nothing to do with the beacon (the asari councilor didn't even know the beacon existed at this time, Tevos says the matriarchs have informed her after Rannoch).

Modifié par Barquiel, 31 janvier 2013 - 09:17 .

[BirdsallSa]

Steelcan wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Okay I will concede that Liara was absolutely terrible in this mission but I will go no further than that.

A Shepard romancing Liara should have been able to hug Liara after the Fall of Thessia, that's my only complaint.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. The Turians/Garrus insisted we must recruit space somalia at the cost of pissing off a galactic superpower (while the Asari are the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo). I certainly don't blame Liara for being upset (it would be pretty hypocritical too).

. I don't even know where to start with this.

It's utter nonsense.

[Jadebaby]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

[KingZayd]

BirdsallSa wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Okay I will concede that Liara was absolutely terrible in this mission but I will go no further than that.

A Shepard romancing Liara should have been able to hug Liara after the Fall of Thessia, that's my only complaint.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. The Turians/Garrus insisted we must recruit space somalia at the cost of pissing off a galactic superpower (while the Asari are the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo). I certainly don't blame Liara for beeing upset (it would be pretty hypocritical too).

They're on an important mission and she's running around like a school girl who just got dumped by her first boyfriend. And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

It was not known that it was information about the Catalyst. That said, they have still violated Citadel law, and are hypocrites for having done so, while presumably enforcing those laws on other species.

I wasn't saying the in game characters knew the information. I'm saying we know that's information, so it's ridiculous for us to say that the Asari jump in the fight without wanting anything in return, because they have arguably the most important asset of any race. Yet didn't release it until the very last minute, when they had to.

They do fight for Earth though without getting anything in return though.

[BirdsallSa]

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

The asari joined the war effort after the Cerberus coup. So virtually the same time as anyone else does, but without demanding anything in return (or some shiny mission). The krogan demanded a cure, the Turians demanded krogan support, the Salarians demanded to sabotage the cure, The quarians demanded Rannoch. That has nothing to do with the beacon (the asari councilor didn't even know the beacon existed at this time, Tevos says the matriarchs have informed her after Rannoch).

Half of what you said in the post isn't even true...

[Barquiel]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

The asari joined the war effort after the Cerberus coup. So virtually the same time as anyone else does, but without demanding anything in return (or some shiny mission). The krogan demanded a cure, the Turians demanded krogan support, the Salarians demanded to sabotage the cure, The quarians demanded Rannoch. That has nothing to do with the beacon (the asari councilor didn't even know the beacon existed at this time, Tevos says the matriarchs have informed her after Rannoch).

Half of what you said in the post isn't even true...

And what exactly?

[BirdsallSa]

KingZayd wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Okay I will concede that Liara was absolutely terrible in this mission but I will go no further than that.

A Shepard romancing Liara should have been able to hug Liara after the Fall of Thessia, that's my only complaint.

Shepard spends the entire game moping about Earth, and trying to get everyone to rally together to retake it. The Turians/Garrus insisted we must recruit space somalia at the cost of pissing off a galactic superpower (while the Asari are the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo). I certainly don't blame Liara for beeing upset (it would be pretty hypocritical too).

They're on an important mission and she's running around like a school girl who just got dumped by her first boyfriend. And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

It was not known that it was information about the Catalyst. That said, they have still violated Citadel law, and are hypocrites for having done so, while presumably enforcing those laws on other species.

I wasn't saying the in game characters knew the information. I'm saying we know that's information, so it's ridiculous for us to say that the Asari jump in the fight without wanting anything in return, because they have arguably the most important asset of any race. Yet didn't release it until the very last minute, when they had to.

They do fight for Earth though without getting anything in return though.

They would not have done so if they believed they could have held Thessia themselves. They tell you as much. "While the Reapers focus on Earth, we can prepare and regroup."

[Steelcan]

Barquiel wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

And what the hell are you talking about "the only race to join the war effort without a quid pro quo". They held out on the most important information in the game, the only known knowledge of the Catalyst until they saw they wouldn't be able to survive if they didn't help. Shepard isn't even allowed to critize this.

The asari joined the war effort after the Cerberus coup. So virtually the same time as anyone else does, but without demanding anything in return (or some shiny mission). The krogan demanded a cure, the Turians demanded krogan support, the Salarians demanded to sabotage the cure, the quarians demanded Rannoch. That has nothing to do with the beacon (the asari councilor didn't even know the beacon existed at this time, Tevos says the matriarchs have informed her after Rannoch).

. Yes, she can now tell Shepard about the beacon because the Asari can't screw the reapers into submission

[Uncle Jo]

Jadebaby wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

No Jade, no... Not you...

[Steelcan]

Kai Leng is a joke. His "fight" (which lasted seconds) only made me want to stop playing. It was lousy.

[BirdsallSa]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

No Jade, no... Not you...

It's always nice to see a reasonable poster on the bsn. I can count them all on my fingers.

[Mathias]

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

Wow....

This guy is my new favorite person on the internet. And I do not mean that in a good way at all.

[k.lalh]

This bickering is pointless...

unless you all actually want the thread to get locked...

[BirdsallSa]

This thread should be locked. It offers nothing but a bunch of haters and doubters that call anyone who disagrees with them trolls. They're the same lot that got my beautiful thread about the Intelligence locked.

[Mathias]

k.lalh wrote...

This bickering is pointless...

unless you all actually want the thread to get locked...

Yeah let's all listen to General Tarkin here and stop the hate.

[Fixers0]

BirdsallSa wrote...

This thread should be locked. It offers nothing but a bunch of haters and doubters that call anyone who disagrees with them trolls. They're the same lot that got my beautiful thread about the Intelligence locked.

Perhaps because they were right?

[Uncle Jo]

k.lalh wrote...

This bickering is pointless...

unless you all actually want the thread to get locked...

That's exactly what he's trying to do. It's not the first time. I can't believe that he meant even the half of his posts.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 31 janvier 2013 - 09:25 .

[k.lalh]

BirdsallSa wrote...

This thread should be locked. It offers nothing but a bunch of haters and doubters that call anyone who disagrees with them trolls. They're the same lot that got my beautiful thread about the Intelligence locked.

Which is rather odd of you to say, as pretty much every thread that contains the word "indoctrination," or in any way criticizes or questions the ending you claim to so dearly love, you report...

Huh...

[Maniccc]

Thessia was forgettable.  Or at least, it would have been had we not been visited by the plot armor king, Kei Leng....ugh.....

Thessia was so contrived to make the player feel helpless and defeated.  It was overly sappy and desperate, and the plot armor fight with Leng was one of the worst gaming moments in all of ME (after Catalyst kid, of course).  The frustration players felt was not because "We lost!!" but because of the massive lameness of plot armor, one of the worst things anyone can put into a game.  My Infiltrator practically blew off Leng's shields in one hit, then he ran away crying while the gunship saved him (again).  Of course, we have killed gunships with rifles in the past, but apparently this one was magic.

In all fairness, though, every Kei Leng scene was just awful.  When he jumped on the hood of Shep's car, I was wondering why Shep didn't just pull up and pulp the loser on one of the many bridgeways overhead....

ME3...so much bad writing....

[Jadebaby]

Wait, you're not being serious BirdsallSa?

[Steelcan]

Maniccc wrote...

Thessia was forgettable.  Or at least, it would have been had we not been visited by the plot armor king, Kei Leng....ugh.....

Thessia was so contrived to make the player feel helpless and defeated.  It was overly sappy and desperate, and the plot armor fight with Leng was one of the worst gaming moments in all of ME (after Catalyst kid, of course).  The frustration players felt was not because "We lost!!" but because of the massive lameness of plot armor, one of the worst things anyone can put into a game.  My Infiltrator practically blew off Leng's shields in one hit, then he ran away crying while the gunship saved him (again).  Of course, we have killed gunships with rifles in the past, but apparently this one was magic.

In all fairness, though, every Kei Leng scene was just awful.  When he jumped on the hood of Shep's car, I was wondering why Shep didn't just pull up and pulp the loser on one of the many bridgeways overhead....

ME3...so much bad writing....

. You misspelled art

[Nerevar-as]

Jadebaby wrote...

BirdsallSa wrote...

Masha Potato wrote...

Awfully designed fight with Kai Leng isn't enough?

That fight was amazing, actually. There Leng is, the only thing standing in the way of stopping the Reapers once and for all. But, for all Shepard's might, he isn't good enough to stop Kai from grabbing the intel. It gives the player undeniable respect for Kai Leng and establishes him as a tremendous threat. After that fight, I was seriously doubting whether or not I could defeat him.

You consider a "The Computer Is A Cheating Bastard" fight good? Leng was pathetic (so much that I even fought him off at melee range), and suddenly a Dropship is invulnerable. I never got depressed after Thessia, I was just pissed off. Seeing Shepard moping around and thinking Leng had defeated him was pathetic. Pity I can´t get the Miranda + Thane + Kirrahe dead before ME3 interrupt. That one did get what I felt in thessia.

[BirdsallSa]

Maniccc wrote...

Thessia was forgettable.  Or at least, it would have been had we not been visited by the plot armor king, Kei Leng....ugh.....

Thessia was so contrived to make the player feel helpless and defeated.  It was overly sappy and desperate, and the plot armor fight with Leng was one of the worst gaming moments in all of ME (after Catalyst kid, of course).  The frustration players felt was not because "We lost!!" but because of the massive lameness of plot armor, one of the worst things anyone can put into a game.  My Infiltrator practically blew off Leng's shields in one hit, then he ran away crying while the gunship saved him (again).  Of course, we have killed gunships with rifles in the past, but apparently this one was magic.

In all fairness, though, every Kei Leng scene was just awful.  When he jumped on the hood of Shep's car, I was wondering why Shep didn't just pull up and pulp the loser on one of the many bridgeways overhead....

ME3...so much bad writing....

ME3 had fantastic writing. Have you ever thought that maybe it's not bad writing but bad players?

This was a gunship that had Reaper tech supporting perhaps the most dangerous man the galaxy has ever seen. There was no way Shepard was going to win that fight.