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[Herr Uhl]

Doyle41 wrote...

Does Morrigan say why she can't fight Flemeth and did she ellaborate how Flemeth would come back. She said she would kill her over and over, but she didn't kill her the first time, I did.

She was afraid that Flemeth would take over her body. And hitting Flemeth with a pointy stick until the vessel dies would not kill Flemeth, she would just have to find another suitable vessel.

If what Morrigan says is true.

[Placate Decency]

mabye she expected flemmeth might try and take over the easiest thing near morrigan - the kid but mabye if the arch demons in there , it means flemmeth can't fit so morrigan planned that as a counter to flemmeths spirit

[MiG-77]

Series5Ranger wrote...

Well here's another little bit of fuel to the fire.... What if Flemeth (Who can forsee he future) let the Warden kill her so she could Hitch a ride in the Warden's soul. When the warden Kills the Archdemon,
Flemeth And the Old Gods Uncorrupted Soul go to the Kid. So in Dying by the hands of the Warden, Flemeth gains the power of an Old God.

Hmm, this brings to my meory something else that Morrigan said. Even she didnt think killing Flemeth would actually kill her. Just slow her down, that she can prepare herself better. Now that you think it is quite alike what archdemon does if somebody else than warden kills it.... But where does Flemets "soul" go?

[Placate Decency]

the arch demon requires a grey warden to actually kill it

does it work on flemmeth as well

[Herr Uhl]

Placate Decency wrote...

the arch demon requires a grey warden to actually kill it
does it work on flemmeth as well

No, you didn't die to begin with.

[Placate Decency]

oh yeh thats right

[MiG-77]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Placate Decency wrote...

the arch demon requires a grey warden to actually kill it
does it work on flemmeth as well

No, you didn't die to begin with.

Yes, as Flemeth is not archdemon (Even if she was possessed by "old god" soul, no darkspawn corruption). Come to think, she might be close to  what Morrigans "god child" would be. 

Modifié par MiG-77, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:36 .

[Placate Decency]

so would it just go back in the ground if it was an old god waiting to be corrupted

[MiG-77]

Placate Decency wrote...

so would it just go back in the ground if it was an old god waiting to be corrupted

Why would she do that? Darkspawns can presisely corrupt old gos as they are sleeping ("defenceless"). Now if Flemeth is awaken old god (or has some connection to sleeping Old God), then now I dont think they could do that (but they might just kill him like PC does).

Modifié par MiG-77, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:41 .

[Placate Decency]

if flemmeth was a demon wouldn't it be expected that she would say something in a demon voice when you chalenged her?

Thats what usually happens when you want to fight other demons

Modifié par Placate Decency, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:42 .

[MiG-77]

Placate Decency wrote...

if flemmeth was a demon wouldn't it be expected that she would say something in a demon voice when you chalenged her?

No really. There are demons and "demons". What is what, you cannot tell.  "Good" (IE. spirits) are not always good and "bad"(IE. Demons) are not always bad.

[Placate Decency]

would it be that every spirit, good or bad, is just seeking absolute power?

is that what drives flemmeth

[Usmerchant55]

I think morrigan took the child to do what flemeth did to her. So when she becomes old she can use the child for her new vessle. And think morrigan is the crow godess (godess have to live forever)

[Stitch074]

Maybe Flemeth is a demon and Morrigan is Flemeth.  I think that Flemeth  already stole Morrigan’s body, and  the demon takes Flemeths old body. This would
mean that Flemeth and the demon have some sort of partnership. The demon and
Flemeth help the Grey Wardens so they can use the dark ritual to get a child
with the soul of a old god, then the steal the body of the child.

 

When Morrigan(flemeth) ask you to kill Flemeth(the demon),
its probably Flemeth who wants the demon  out of the picture so she can have the child
and all that power to herself.

EDIT: If Flemeth has the the power of an old god, then she might be able to rally the darkspawn and she would have a almost unstopable army, to take of Thedas.

Modifié par Stitch074, 09 janvier 2010 - 04:53 .

[Placate Decency]

LostScout wrote...

Flemeth tells you outside her hut after your rescue that the blight is a threat even to her. Everyone talks about how Flemeth posesses daughters to extend her unnatural lifespan ..but if you tell her that Morrigan knows how she extends her life she replies "that she does, but do you?" this makes me believe that Morrigan always knew how Flemeth survived and that knowledge did not come from the grimoire. I think there is a lot going on below the surface there and it is clear that Morrigan has tried to get someone to take out Flemeth before. "Has lovely Morrigan finally found someone to dance to her tune? Tis a dance Flemeth knows well". Don't assume that because Morrigan tells you something that it is true. As to saving the Old God, your conversations about shapechangers with Morrigan tell you that she values the "old ways" and think they should be preserved. Even if she has no direct use for a child with an old god's soul, I think she would still value it for what it represents, something old and powerful. It never hurts to be the mommy of something very powerful, helps keep the Templars away. Few things are exactly as they seem in this game.

so it seems that flemmeth and morrigan are fighting for dominance over each other

[tallon1982]

My theory is that Flemeth and Morrigan were intending to obtain the Old God's soul from the start and needed the Grey Wardens to do that. They knew a lot about the Wardens and Flemeth couldn't very well let the last two die in the Tower of Ishal.



Flemeth's plan was most likely to take over Morrigan's body while she was pregnant with the god child so she could raise it like she always has. This is how she's been doing the body jumping and avoiding having to hunt down a man all the time. Send your daughter to do the dirty work so to speak. Morrigan probably suspected what Flemeth did but wasn't sure until she got the grimores from you. Her intentions might be similar to Flemeth's but I think with what you've done by befriending her may have helped her see things different. Maybe created a softened Morrigan rather than a hardened one.



Most of the time when children are raised in sheltered lives or in abusive relationships with parents they try to break that cycle though they fail. This scenario gave Morrigan support through the PC Warden by befriending or falling in love with her to show her that she can change. It's just a thought.

[MiG-77]

Stitch074 wrote...

EDIT: If Flemeth has the the power of an old god, then she might be able to rally the darkspawn and she would have a almost unstopable army, to take of Thedas.

Or not. Even if Flemeth has power of the old god, she would not be corrupted by the taint. So Darkspawn probably would not do as she would say. But it would be very good reason why she has power to defend itself from darkspawns (untill atleast archdemon comes.)

[MiG-77]

LostScout wrote...

I think that is the root of Flemeth's conflict with all her daughters. They eventually grow up and covet her secrets and try to steal her grimoire. Since Flemeth always warns Templar's once and then kills them if they persist, I think she is just something very powerful that just wants to be left alone by everybody else.

Or that grimoire is The vessels how she transfers herself to other body. Rememer Flemeth was ready to give it to you willingly.

Modifié par MiG-77, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:03 .

[Placate Decency]

They both entered a pact with each other, they would would use the grey warden to get the power of the old god.

But Morrigan realised it was only one soul and in the end they would have to fight over it and she knew that flemmeth was far supior in power so she had the grey warden do it.

With her accomplis out of the way morrigan was free to take the power for herself.

[Placate Decency]

Am i on the money here?

[tallon1982]

As far as the possession goes I can see the true grimore being the way she gets her daughters but the other key to it would have to be the robes of possession that you get as well. The description pretty much spells it out. No pun intended.

[Stitch074]

Placate Decency wrote...

Am i on the money here?

Maybe, but that dosent explain why Morrigan waited intill you found her Gilmore. Maybe the Gilmore is just a way to convince your character to kill Flemeth.