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[tallon1982]

LostScout wrote...

Perhaps there is more than one plan here? Saving the gray wardens so that the old god's soul could be preserved is Flemeth's plan all along, which Morrigan carries out. This is something they both agree upon. The struggle for dominance between Morrigan and Flemeth may be a separate issue. Maybe Flemeth isn't the original Flemeth? When a daughter wins the fight, in a sense she becomes Flemeth, since she was raised to be that way. The winner assumes the name and title of the "Flemeth" since the legends help protect them from harassment by the frightened primitives in the Korcari Wilds. Fun to speculate.

You mean they pull a Dread Pirate?

[Doyle41]

If you accept Flemeth's offer to take the grimoir and leave, does she still fight you? I remember hearing her say, "she'll earn what she wants". I chose to fight so I'm not sure how that works out. I may try it just to see.

Modifié par Doyle41, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:26 .

[Rhinna]

I still think Flemeth is an old elf from Arthalan. I think Morrigan is simply a child she picked up that was abandoned in the forest when the baby showed magic abilities. It would behoove Flemeth to keep this a secret from Morrigan. However, she did teach Morrigan her "old magic" ways, and who knows what that entails - since all the Elven magic perished when the Tevinters destroyed their city and enslaved the survivors.



I don't think she's a demon - it just doesn't add up - demons have very selfish motives based upon their type - desire, pride, lust, etc...Flemeth if anything, has kept a covert watch over Ferelden - giving Maric a prophecy/forewarning about Ferelden and Loghaine, saving them both...Why else would the Dalish bring them to Flemeth, unless she asked them to? They would have no compunctions about killing a couple shem - royalty or no. No, I think Flemeth knew the part they were going to play in history - she may have even known about Alastair's birth and the part he would play. Only Flemeth, and extremely old being, with knowledge of the ancient magic, would know how to truly kill an archdemon. Perhaps (and here is a NEW theory here LOL) she sent Morrigan with the Grey Wardens, because she taught Morrigan the ritual needed to spare the Grey Wardens death.

[MiG-77]

I don't think she's a demon - it just doesn't add up - demons have very selfish motives based upon their type - desire, pride, lust, etc.

So are yo saying Flemeth does not have selfish motives? Remember Demons have time... Also in both Morrigan version and in Leliana (chantry version) version Flemeth was possessed by "Demon". Now what that "Demon" was is much more interesting question. I dont think it was any of those "normal" demons.

[tallon1982]

Rhinna wrote...

I still think Flemeth is an old elf from Arthalan. I think Morrigan is simply a child she picked up that was abandoned in the forest when the baby showed magic abilities. It would behoove Flemeth to keep this a secret from Morrigan. However, she did teach Morrigan her "old magic" ways, and who knows what that entails - since all the Elven magic perished when the Tevinters destroyed their city and enslaved the survivors.

I don't think she's a demon - it just doesn't add up - demons have very selfish motives based upon their type - desire, pride, lust, etc...Flemeth if anything, has kept a covert watch over Ferelden - giving Maric a prophecy/forewarning about Ferelden and Loghaine, saving them both...Why else would the Dalish bring them to Flemeth, unless she asked them to? They would have no compunctions about killing a couple shem - royalty or no. No, I think Flemeth knew the part they were going to play in history - she may have even known about Alastair's birth and the part he would play. Only Flemeth, and extremely old being, with knowledge of the ancient magic, would know how to truly kill an archdemon. Perhaps (and here is a NEW theory here LOL) she sent Morrigan with the Grey Wardens, because she taught Morrigan the ritual needed to spare the Grey Wardens death.

I think Maric was told a lot more than we were that's for sure. And I believe it entailed having a son do a task for Flemeth.

[Rhinna]

MiG-77 wrote...

I don't think she's a demon - it just doesn't add up - demons have very selfish motives based upon their type - desire, pride, lust, etc.

So are yo saying Flemeth does not have selfish motives? Remember Demons have time... Also in both Morrigan version and in Leliana (chantry version) version Flemeth was possessed by "Demon". Now what that "Demon" was is much more interesting question. I dont think it was any of those "normal" demons.

Demons have time...but so did the Arlathans - since they were immortal, time was immaterial to them...
"They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshiped their gods for months at a time. Decisions came after decades of debate, and an introduction could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into centuries-long slumber, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Fade in dreams..."

Remember, Demons inhabiting a body will eventually cause the body to wear away.  Although that might give some a reason for Flemeth to have Morrigan (as a replacement), I don't think Flemeth is a demon, nor do I think her motives are selfish.  Why bother saving Grey Wardens?  Why bother saving Maric? self preservation, if you want to call that "selfish", or perhaps she did it for the good of Ferelden?  Perhaps she wished success for the place she called 'home'.  She did nothing in the book, nor in the game that would be considered aggressive or evil.  If you attack her, she says something to the effect "I knew this would come" and simply defends herself.  In the book, Maric spends three hours with her in the hut alone.  That is one hell of a prophecy.  She had a LOT to tell him about the future, and the future of Ferelden.  No where have I read in any of the codices that demons can foretell the future, which again, I say, makes her Arlathan, because this is magic that *no one* has knowledge of :-)

[tallon1982]

Soothsaying doesn't have to be attached to Elves. In various myths they can come from someone who doesn't even have attachment to magic but that's another story lol.



I think Flemeth's ability to tell the future comes from the fact she uses old magic. That doesn't make her an Elf though. She could have learned it from them though considering her age.

[Arrtis]

flemeth

wants morrigan to get stronger

wants to help end the blight

wants the soul of the old god for an unknown purpose

wants to survive and get stronger by any means

[Rhinna]

Arrtis wrote...

flemeth
wants morrigan to get stronger
wants to help end the blight
wants the soul of the old god for an unknown purpose
wants to survive and get stronger by any means

All we hear Flemeth say is she doesn't want a full fledged blight.  Everything else comes from Morrigan.  The more I think about it, the more I think Morrigan has her own agenda.
@tallon - true about the old magic but...being an Arlathan would explain Flemeths ability to be around since maker knows when

Modifié par Rhinna, 09 janvier 2010 - 08:49 .

[Arrtis]

morrigan i think has her own agenda after you kill flemeth otherwise i think shes doing mostly everything by flemeths instruction since she taught her everything

[Seriand Shadowsong]

Personally, I have had a theory about this for quite some time. Consider that the blight actually arose in the Kocari Wilds, and that it was Morrigan and, more precisely Flemeth's plan to have the "old god child" all along. Now along those lines of thought, it is very possible that Flemeth somehow led or paved the way for the darkspawn to find this archdemon thereby starting the blight herself. Now think about Morrigan's obsession over beautiful things and which old god this archdemon turned out to be... It is of my opinion that it was Flemeth's master plan all along: starting a blight knowing which of the old gods the archdemon would be, saving the surviving Grey Wardens, and sending Morrigan along with them in preparation for the ritual. All to "save beauty" as it were.

[IronVanguard]

Eh. I tend to take these things at relatively face value.



Darkspawn are dangerous and in her woods.

She also has a chance to send Morrigan along to do the ritual and get the baby.

She's some odd, rare form of abomination that needs to jump hosts.



Also, I think I noticed something in the Codex. It seems the Couslands took over Highever after the last of the former rulers was killed by a Flemeth..... same one? In which case, it's a tad funny for the Human Noble origin because that makes her the reason you're a noble at all.

[Seriand Shadowsong]

IronVanguard wrote...

Eh. I tend to take these things at relatively face value.

Darkspawn are dangerous and in her woods.
She also has a chance to send Morrigan along to do the ritual and get the baby.
She's some odd, rare form of abomination that needs to jump hosts.

Also, I think I noticed something in the Codex. It seems the Couslands took over Highever after the last of the former rulers was killed by a Flemeth..... same one? In which case, it's a tad funny for the Human Noble origin because that makes her the reason you're a noble at all.

While it may be true that I may be reading too much into things, I seem to recall a conversation with the imprisoned Grey Warden (Riordan i think his name was?) in Arl Howe's keep that firmly cements this theory into my head.  He said something to the effect of it was strange that the blight started in the wilds this time, as all of the other times it appeared in a highly populated  area.

[GeorgeZip]

Flemeth is by far the most interesting character in the game. I hang on every word she says. Good voice acting and lines. The one about Lies are like a warm blanket is great. Can't wait to find out what she and Morrigan were up to.

[lameduckie]

In regards to the comments about beauty, in one of the conversation paths, Flemeth says that she was a great beauty, and that men killed for her.  If you tell her that she doesn't sound happy about that she answers  "I do not for it dictated all that followed."
 
I always thought that was an odd comment because in both the Morrigan and Leliana story it's always one man that killed for her : the nobleman killing the husband/lover.  It just seems like she's hinting at something bigger than the story that's told about her.
 
One crazy thought I had is that Femeth is Andraste.  There is that one book that's a gift that suggests that Andraste was able to perform miracles because she was a blood mage herself.  There's just something about how Andraste was given over by her husband to the Archon that seems to parallel Morrigan's story about how Flemeth's husband gave her over to the nobleman.
 
Of course there's no way of knowing but it is fun to speculate.

[sillymonkboy]

I know I'm late to the party, but I just wanted to correct an error from a couple pages back. Morrigan does not say that she does not possess the power to shift into another human form, but rather that she only bothers to learn forms that grant her powers/abilities she does not already possess. Another human or near-human form would not grant her new capabilities, therefore she has not bothered to learn. Implied is that she apparently does not see any value in being able to disguise herself as another human or a near-human.

[Placate Decency]

this turned out really good, everyone has some really interesting ways at looking at it. 
Bravo everyone!
Now, is morrigan actually related by blood or are they just two woman in a pact.

[Herr Uhl]

Placate Decency wrote...
Now, is morrigan actually related by blood or are they just two woman in a pact.

Maybe, but she is clearly raised by Flemeth. What would it matter if she popped out between Flemeths or some other womans thighs?