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[IxMerc04]

When the Acolyte first came out I hated it (probably because i didn't understand it).
Then it became charge less and I really liked.
The charge returned turns out I still like it.
Charge less returns I feel weird wielding it it just feels off.
Glad the charge mechanic returns.

Modifié par IxMerc04, 01 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[darkpassenger2342]

never use this weapon so i dont care what they do to it.
supposedly its a crutch if its chargeless and a skilled one if its not, so do away with the crutch.
that fire explosion spam method on every class like they are all the same is lame.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 08:25 .

[Lathlaer]

Wait, what?

So is the Acolyte right now chargeless or not? Balance changes state that it returned to charge mechanic on December the 18th.

Did the patch change something?

Modifié par Lathlaer, 01 février 2013 - 08:36 .

[millahnna]

Yeah the patch accidentally got a smidgen of old info in it so the gun is temporarily chargeless again.

I liked it better with the charge but I found that I wasn't that great at running around with it charged anymore (probably the weather, arthritic hands suck). I still think a good compromise would be to make it able to fire shots uncharged but to have them do no health damage and less damage to shields than the charged shot. That way both groups could get some use out of it and it would still have cons to it's pros in either format.

[nanotm]

i dont really belive that it the rof of this gun is so slow atm it fires at the same speed as when it was chargeable the differance is now it pops out the shot instead of taking forever to charge up the refusing to shoot in the direction your aiming,


this version is far better (your not loosing charge when stunned etc) your able to take down shields then swap to another weapon without an extra 10 second delay in order to charge then find cover/ wait for shields to regen, start charging /breakcover, take another 1/3rd off hte shields

much better this way break cover only to shoot, no more unable ot shoot because you got hit with a stun (particularly an elbow to the back)

when the charge was re-added to the gun it basically became broken and useless because it lost charge so much instead of remaining charged untill you actually pull the trigger.

and now bioware is just going to make it another place holder broken junk based ona few moaners on the forums who complain about everythign thats halfway decent being op'd

[Bryan Johnson]

nanotm wrote...

i dont really belive that it the rof of this gun is so slow atm it fires at the same speed as when it was chargeable the differance is now it pops out the shot instead of taking forever to charge up the refusing to shoot in the direction your aiming,


this version is far better (your not loosing charge when stunned etc) your able to take down shields then swap to another weapon without an extra 10 second delay in order to charge then find cover/ wait for shields to regen, start charging /breakcover, take another 1/3rd off hte shields

much better this way break cover only to shoot, no more unable ot shoot because you got hit with a stun (particularly an elbow to the back)

when the charge was re-added to the gun it basically became broken and useless because it lost charge so much instead of remaining charged untill you actually pull the trigger.

and now bioware is just going to make it another place holder broken junk based ona few moaners on the forums who complain about everythign thats halfway decent being op'd

The number of users who use this gun when it is a charge up gun would indicate it is not useless

[Daihannya]

So when is it going back to normal? My brain is programmed for the charge, and its getting me killed.

[Bryan Johnson]

Daihannya wrote...

So when is it going back to normal? My brain is programmed for the charge, and its getting me killed.

 
Likely tuesday

[Lucky]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

never use this weapon so i dont care what they do to it.
supposedly its a crutch if its chargeless and a skilled one if its not, so do away with the crutch.
that fire explosion spam method on every class like they are all the same is lame.

A: you don't use the weapon so how are you informed at all. Stop spouting other's opinions as your own.

B: It is more OP as a charged weapon its just annoying enough that less people use it.

I would rather have a more fun to use less OP gun personally. Just look at N7 Link's speedrun if you don't thinks the Acolyte is ridiculously powerful as a charge up.

And no running around with it charged is not a skill its just being willing to put up with an annoyance to use a powerful tool.

[Jarno Mikkola]

Bryan Johnson wrote...
The number of users who use this gun when it is a charge up gun would indicate it is not useless.

Yeah, but the gun either then needs a power up, or something considering it breaks ones cover to charge it.

Or you could make the weapon behave like the Arc pistol...

[darkpassenger2342]

rlucht wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

never use this weapon so i dont care what they do to it.
supposedly its a crutch if its chargeless and a skilled one if its not, so do away with the crutch.
that fire explosion spam method on every class like they are all the same is lame.

A: you don't use the weapon so how are you informed at all. Stop spouting other's opinions as your own.

B: It is more OP as a charged weapon its just annoying enough that less people use it.

I would rather have a more fun to use less OP gun personally. Just look at N7 Link's speedrun if you don't thinks the Acolyte is ridiculously powerful as a charge up.

And no running around with it charged is not a skill its just being willing to put up with an annoyance to use a powerful tool.

look at my challenges, i HAVE used the weapon, theres 52 guns, chill out.
i have a maxed manifest so my opinion of the gun is valid, i have plenty of experience with it.
just because i dont use it often doesnt mean i have never used it.
were you just looking to flame someone? my opinion is i dont use it because i dont like it that much.
thats my opinion on this thread containing hundreds of the opinions of others.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 08:56 .

[Bryan Johnson]

Jarno Mikkola wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...
The number of users who use this gun when it is a charge up gun would indicate it is not useless.

Yeah, but the gun either then needs a power up, or something considering it breaks ones cover to charge it.

Or you could make the weapon behave like the Arc pistol...

It certainly doesn't need a  powerup

Modifié par Bryan Johnson, 01 février 2013 - 08:57 .

[Lucky]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

look at my challenges, i HAVE used the weapon, theres 52 guns, chill out.
i have a maxed manifest so my opinion of the gun is valid, i have plenty of experience with it.
just because i dont use it often doesnt mean i have never used it.
were you just looking to flame someone? my opinion is i dont use it because i dont like it that much.
thats my opinion on this thread containing hundreds of the opinions of others.

Lol you literally wrote that you never use it not that you don't use it often. You can't get mad at someone for taking what you say literally. And no I don't check everyone's manifest before I respond to them...

[darkpassenger2342]

rlucht wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

look at my challenges, i HAVE used the weapon, theres 52 guns, chill out.
i have a maxed manifest so my opinion of the gun is valid, i have plenty of experience with it.
just because i dont use it often doesnt mean i have never used it.
were you just looking to flame someone? my opinion is i dont use it because i dont like it that much.
thats my opinion on this thread containing hundreds of the opinions of others.

Lol you literally wrote that you never use it not that you don't use it often. You can't get mad at someone for taking what you say literally. And no I don't check everyone's manifest before I respond to them...

i didnt say i dont have it though.
ive done the pistol challenge with it, and ive completed the 2ook challenge with, ive carried it as a sidearm too, andd its just not a favorite weapon of mine.
i didnt expect anyone does that, ( check manifest) fyi in the future my signature shows that it is, others have it too.
the red circles is UR guns,  i only have this sig so sometimes people dont have to question my experience with the game because i dont make videos.
so yeah, i suppose i didnt really mean never, but i didnt expect to be taken that literally i guess.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 09:09 .

[Lucky]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i didnt say i dont have it though.
ive done the pistol challenge with it, and ive completed the 2ook challenge with, ive carried it as a sidearm too, andd its just not a favorite weapon of mine.
i didnt expect anyone does that, ( check manifest) fyi in the future my signature shows that it is, others have it too.
the red circles is UR guns,  i only have this sig so sometimes people dont have to question my experience with the game because i dont make videos.

Chill out, I'm not going to check people's signatures to see if it matches up with what they say, I'm going to respond to what they say, state your position more clearly or don't get mad when you are misunderstood. ALso, what does this have to do with making videos? 

[darkpassenger2342]

rlucht wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

i didnt say i dont have it though.
ive done the pistol challenge with it, and ive completed the 2ook challenge with, ive carried it as a sidearm too, andd its just not a favorite weapon of mine.
i didnt expect anyone does that, ( check manifest) fyi in the future my signature shows that it is, others have it too.
the red circles is UR guns,  i only have this sig so sometimes people dont have to question my experience with the game because i dont make videos.

Chill out, I'm not going to check people's signatures to see if it matches up with what they say, I'm going to respond to what they say, state your position more clearly or don't get mad when you are misunderstood. ALso, what does this have to do with making videos? 

nevermind you clearly just want to argue with someone who was trying to be civil.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 09:16 .

[Bolo Xia]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

Jarno Mikkola wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...
The number of users who use this gun when it is a charge up gun would indicate it is not useless.

Yeah, but the gun either then needs a power up, or something considering it breaks ones cover to charge it.

Or you could make the weapon behave like the Arc pistol...

It certainly doesn't need a  powerup

having a version of the gun with a chargeless shot that is nerfed plus having the full charged shot that only charges up to its current damage would please both sides.

both options of use on the gun would be present at the same time, that is what Jarno meant by "like the arc pistol".

dunno if both can be on the weapon without changing the gun's mechanics tho, since you guys have just been changing probably only one variable.

anywho, just throwin that out there.

[bogsters23]

chargeless is easy mode. it's powerful without the charge-up on certain classes that's why i think bioware wants it to it's original state. i moved on but i'm gonna use it for the last time before the changes so i have a reason to use my cryo ammo4's.

[HolyAvenger]

An uncharged version, to be balanced, who have to do like 1/4th of the damage of the charged version.

Instead of getting complicated and making it like the Arc Pistol (would require programming changes to gun's mechanics), I prefer the charge up variant.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 01 février 2013 - 09:30 .

[SantosCapela]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

The reason: that is how the gun is intended to function.

It has its pros and cons like any other gun, weighing the pros and cons of it being charged vs chargeless is not a reinforcement of one being superior either.

The same can be said about the krysae. Can we expect the zoom function to be brought back since it was taken away because of missile glitching?

[Bryan Johnson]

SantosCapela wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

The reason: that is how the gun is intended to function.

It has its pros and cons like any other gun, weighing the pros and cons of it being charged vs chargeless is not a reinforcement of one being superior either.

The same can be said about the krysae. Can we expect the zoom function to be brought back since it was taken away because of missile glitching?

it's possible I'll be talking to Eric next week

[PR PistonRage]

rlucht wrote...

PR PistonRage wrote...

It was seriously deadly without charging. So if you want it without charge, expect a major nerf which could render it useless.

Can't have it both ways BSN. I think the charge should remain.

Its more serious deadly with the charge...

Its better statistically in every way and the supposed "downside" of not being able to fire it fast in a panic situation is a fake downside because you can keep a charged shot all the time and let it go whenever needed.

This whole unpopular=fine and popular=OP thing people and apparently Bioware have is BS.

Edit: By the way I fully intend to use the Acolyte extensively either way. If its chargeless the game will be more fun because I don't have to run around holding the darn trigger down. If it stays charge up, well I guess I can console myself that I have the more OP of the two options...

That is true but when they removed the charge and with the brief experience I had with it I found it much easier to drop enemies. Can't say with any certainty that I tried it with and without charge on the same character though so perhaps the character made the difference. If only I could remember what character I had when it was without charge.

[Lucky]

HolyAvenger wrote...

An uncharged version, to be balanced, who have to do like 1/4th of the damage of the charged version.

Instead of getting complicated and making it like the Arc Pistol (would require programming changes to gun's mechanics), I prefer the charge up variant.

The charge up mechanic is easy, not to mention that nothing stops you from running around with a shot ready. If you do this it fires even faster since you can do it while running. Stop pretending the charge is a balancing feature. The charge acolyte is more OP while being less fun.  

[SantosCapela]

Bryan Johnson wrote...

SantosCapela wrote...

Bryan Johnson wrote...

The reason: that is how the gun is intended to function.

It has its pros and cons like any other gun, weighing the pros and cons of it being charged vs chargeless is not a reinforcement of one being superior either.

The same can be said about the krysae. Can we expect the zoom function to be brought back since it was taken away because of missile glitching?

it's possible I'll be talking to Eric next week

Thx for the fast answer. I sent you a pm asking the same answer in case you wouldn't see my question.

I do consider the zoom function in the krysae a unique feature in all weapons so I'm hoping it comes back.

In fact I wouldn't mind the missile launcher to get its charge up back also but I suppose that is a bit too much.

[HolyAvenger]

rlucht wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

An uncharged version, to be balanced, who have to do like 1/4th of the damage of the charged version.

Instead of getting complicated and making it like the Arc Pistol (would require programming changes to gun's mechanics), I prefer the charge up variant.

The charge up mechanic is easy, not to mention that nothing stops you from running around with a shot ready. If you do this it fires even faster since you can do it while running. Stop pretending the charge is a balancing feature. The charge acolyte is more OP while being less fun.  

Clearly the amount of whining that ensues whenever the charge is brought back shows that in fact there is a learning curve to using the charge-up variant, and most players don't want to master it and in fact don't find it as easy to use as the insta-shot version.

And yes, the fact you can run around it with it charged up is one reason I love it.

And clearly the charge is balancing mechanic as when it was removed, every man and their dog was using it and it was squarely in the sights of BioWare's nerfbat (it was nerfed once and Eric Fagnan mentioned a second nerf was probable).

So, no, I will continue to argue the charge-up variant should stay.