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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@rebelraven im not even trying to be disagreeable, i dont have an issue with the topic, i just dont think its as rare to get to play a female as you made it sound.

You really should look at how many shooters are sausagefests, nevermind games in general. Look through some videogame magazines over the course of a year. Look at the Video game release date site. See how many games have the option, or star a woman. Compare that number to the male protagonist only games.

When you only look forward to what? 2-3 games a year (Sorta being generous here, too), few of them AAA titles, and good games on top of that? And the female story mode isn't shorter/had less attention paid to it, or the female character fits into yon usual trope of being daintier? I still feel my point stands.

It's pretty rare that there's good games that allow gender choice, and even fewer that star a female protagonist.

That's why it bothers me so much to see mass effect go the way of slowly becoming the sausage fest shooter. Less, and less care is being put towards the female characters, and the variety isn't there.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 01 février 2013 - 08:30 .


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AresKeith wrote...

Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd wrote...

Anyway, reading the replies a bit more... I think the only females that fit into the lore are Quarians, Humans, Asari (If we consider them female), and Turians.

Not really sure how much lore says about Turian Women honestly, but they definitely seem like they could be part of the military. Krogan females... NO... Just.. no...


The codex itself allows Female Krogan to be added to MP, since one female can lay a crap ton of eggs


Lorewise they're still under the Genophage and therefore they wouldn't be aloud to fight. Thats even concerning the male Krogan would let them... Its also stated while on Tuchanka that the females take care of the children.


Even though there are Female Krogan battlemasters, and they still don't need all the female to take care of the children


Don't remember ever hearing this throughout the course of all 3 games. I remember talking to everyone on Tuchanka as well as talking to Eve multiple times and I've never heard that.

Probably in the codex. I'm a bad person, I skipped over the info about the races... Heh. And I didn't even think about what the infertile females do...

Just pretend I never said that. (The stuff in quotes):mellow:

Modifié par Mabari Owns High Dragon The 2nd, 01 février 2013 - 08:28 .


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Rebel_Raven wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@rebelraven im not even trying to be disagreeable, i dont have an issue with the topic, i just dont think its as rare to get to play a female as you made it sound.

You really should look at how many shooters are sausagefests, nevermind games in general. Look through some videogame magazines over the course of a year. Look at the Video game release date site. See how many games have the option, or star a woman. Compare that number to the male protagonist only games.

When you only look forward to what? 2-3 games a year (Sorta being generous here, too), few of them AAA titles, and good games on top of that? And the female story mode isn't shorter/had less attention paid to it, or the female character fits into yon usual trope of being daintier? I still feel my point stands.

It's pretty rare that there's good games that allow gender choice, and even fewer that star a female protagonist.

That's why it bothers me so much to see mass effect go the way of slowly becoming the sausage fest shooter. Less, and less care is being put towards the female characters, and the variety isn't there.


maybe because I, like you, only look forward to 2-3 games a year as well, i miss out on the obscure ones, the medal of honor, armies of two etc..
but when it comes to BLOCKBUSTER, high sales projection titles and characters, id say its pretty fair nowadays.
either way im not trying to get caught up in this debate i just dont mind playing as females and alot of the games i play i am a female, sometimes with or without the option, but perhaps its just a coincidence because of the type of games i like.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 08:33 .


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This is a question that dates back to why guys play female toons in MMOs.

I'm hoping the question is somewhat in earnest, because it's a common occurrence in online games.

Most of the time, it's for eye-candy.
Maybe some of the time, they're somewhat feminine guys who enjoy looking pretty.
Maybe some are just happy with something different.

Hell, I've even heard the reason given that they get treated better because people think they're really women.
Take your pirck, or add your own. Lots of reasons.

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Mass Effect Lore has already been destroyed with the introduction of Volus in MP, so why not Salarian or Krogan Females ?

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Tiamatshade wrote...

This is a question that dates back to why guys play female toons in MMOs.

I'm hoping the question is somewhat in earnest, because it's a common occurrence in online games.

Most of the time, it's for eye-candy.
Maybe some of the time, they're somewhat feminine guys who enjoy looking pretty.
Maybe some are just happy with something different.

Hell, I've even heard the reason given that they get treated better because people think they're really women.
Take your pirck, or add your own. Lots of reasons.


you forgot one very important reason, lol.
traditionally in rpg's and fighting games, females are more agile, dextrous, slender, smaller, however you wanna describe it, in general they are the opposite of the tankier, stronger, more durable guys etc..
 while this has started to blend together more as games choices evolve, it still holds true in many games and cases.
this is what got me playing most female characters far before xbox360 games, characters like Kitana, and cammy, but none of the reasons you listed ever gave me incentive to play a female character.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 08:52 .


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As long as it's supported by lore and it makes sense to add female Turians/Krogan, i don't have a problem with it. But to claim that Bioware doesn't give a **** and that Mass Effect has become another generic shooter with generic male characters, goes a bit too far, imo. One of the biggest reasons why there are more male than female characters are because the alien species have completely different cultures and/or have very few females like Salarians or probably need them to survive as a species like Drell, Krogan and also the Batarians after the Reaper attack. But i doubt the Batarians were really open-minded about female equality in the military prior to their near extinction. Also, the Geth having male voices and no boobies doesn't mean they're male. They don't have a gender, ffs.

And even if we don't get female Turians and Krogan, i'm convinced that half of the new human characters will be female. And who knows maybe some of the new Salarians, Volus and Krogan are really female.

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^ OP's just mad we don't have female batarians.

Then again I can see why, a woman with 4 sets of breasts and 4 sets of jigglies would be....alluring to say the least.

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TBH I wouldnt mind seeing a new female class, a female turian in fact cuz we only seen1 of those, I wouldnt mind seeing a female batarian or vorcha either(tho im not sure how vorcha re produce) , other than that we rlly dont need that many new females considering(and i dont mean to sound sexist here) the ammount of asari, and that we want the game to atleast feel believable....

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I think people carry on about it too much, I do like the variety and the diversity though.

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because girls are better than boys.

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"Ferocious, aren't I? When I think of asses... a woman's ass... something just comes out of me!"

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Rebel_Raven wrote...

You'll have to pardon me for ranting, it's not meant out of anger towards you. I hope it clarifies things.

I'm a female. I like playing as my own gender. It's a delicious delicious luxury coz it's so goddamn rare I get to.

Yes, ME MP has female characters, but the additions are getting worse and worse in more ways than not.

Retalliation added 2 women in a pack of 16 characters? And they were Asari. Not that I don't like Asari, but it feels a bit like a cop out. And they're identice to the first 2 asari in appearance until they cloak, or activate AF, or tech armor. If you happen to be playing with a lot of asari, or just weren't paying attention you'd probably be forgiven for forgetting what the hell class they are!

No new powers among them (I do give points for inventive use of existing powers though), the performance isn't spectacular, no new appearances, a continued reliance on throwing powers at enemies.

I've played every female character on the roster to death, and back, and back again. They're all virtually identicle in durability which is annoying to an extreme coz they're almost all so flimsy because of it.
Almost none have weapon synergy which is annoying as HELL in a game where weapon damage is apparently the end all and be all. Throw power shoot during cool down, throw power, shoot during cooldown, pray those powers aren't dodged. I wanna do something else! I want a destroyer like character! Or a Krogard like character!

Where's the gun bunny aside from the default human female soldier? The woman that shouts "MOAR DAKKA!!!" as she guns down enemies with no need to worry about lobbing dodgeable powers?

Where's the female unit with really high barriers/shields? Considering the Asari are the biotic mistresses of the galaxy, why are their barriers so low in general? Human barriers are as strong!

In an egalitarian light, why are there banners that require you to play as the opposite gender? Some people just don't wanna. I don't wanna play as a male turian to get the asari banner.

When I picked up Mass Effect, I enjoyed it's progressive nature. Looking at it now, it's something of a shell of its former self. Women aren't even likely 1/3 the roster anymore.

Of course there's people that are flat out infatuated with the characters, which isn't their fault. Bioware knows how to make aliens that are nice to look at. The designs, the plot, the invested time, the races, the characters have been endeared to long time players, and newcomers alike.

On the flip side, they sure do know how to make ugly aliens.

I'm not gunna judge (openly anyhow) as to why someone wants female characters.



This is a mans world. Deal with it. I dont really complain about the females low shields. All female characters are awesome. It all depends on the skill of the user. The asari valkyrie:wizard: is awesome. Ive solod platinum with her

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@rebel raven
what games cant you play as a female as nowadays?
the ones where a guy is the main character?
what about
tomb raider
bayonetta
mass effect
dragon age
kingdoms of amalur
skyrim
street fighter
mortal kombat
metroid
final fantasy 13.
thats just popular games in the last 2 years.
im gonna run out of room here.


Alright, I'll pick at this a bit, but not too long coz It'll be a long post.

I'll kindly thank you to not talk about the most recent metroid.
KoA was fairly buggy. Not skyrim level buggy, though, but that's bethesda for you.

You mention a lot of RPGs and fighting games. Where's the shooters? Where, exactly, is the variety? Fighters, RPGs,and  a few brawlers does not a variety make. I know you just made a short list, but the variety is bothersomely low.

Bayonetta's pushing that 2 year old mark. It came out in 2010. :P
Tomb raider's last entry was in 2k9, wasn't it? The Reboot isn't out yet.

Keep in mind just how spread out these games are, how many of those are fighting games, and how many of those are RPGs.

Honestly, it feels like eternities between releases of games with female protagonists, and the option to pick gender.

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No new powers among them (I do give points for inventive use of existing powers though), the performance isn't spectacular, no new appearances, a continued reliance on throwing powers at enemies.

I've played every female character on the roster to death, and back, and back again. They're all virtually identicle in durability which is annoying to an extreme coz they're almost all so flimsy because of it.
Almost none have weapon synergy which is annoying as HELL in a game where weapon damage is apparently the end all and be all. Throw power shoot during cool down, throw power, shoot during cooldown, pray those powers aren't dodged. I wanna do something else! I want a destroyer like character! Or a Krogard like character!

Where's the gun bunny aside from the default human female soldier? The woman that shouts "MOAR DAKKA!!!" as she guns down enemies with no need to worry about lobbing dodgeable powers?

Where's the female unit with really high barriers/shields? Considering the Asari are the biotic mistresses of the galaxy, why are their barriers so low in general? Human barriers are as strong!


Not gonna touch the gender war with a 10 foot space pole, but I do want to comment on the characters themselves:

Both of the new Asari are actually very potent casters. The Valkyrie being a more durable Fury and the Huntress having the best power damage in the game. I know you want a woman on the council of weapons masters, but claiming these two ladies have poor performance does you no credit, since they are very solid characters.

You mention the default Human Soldier, and if you aren't against using up your ammo consumables I would like to throw the Asari Justicar in there. Reave is undodgable and makes Warp Rounds deal massive damage that is nearly on par with Adrenaline Rush(in fact, anyone with a biotic primer can do this, and the Justicar is the best at doing it).

When specced for maximum defence, she can get also effective health that is only matched by a Krogan in rage because of her 80% damage reduction, and quickly regenerating shields.

The Human Vanguard is also one of the most durable characters in the game because of her immunity frames from Nova.

They aren't the Kroguard "doesn't die and goes where he pleases" durable, but they certainly are quite durable characters. If there is a way to tank with it, I guarantee you that I will find it.


You said it yourself. They're casters. I'm tired of casters on so many levels, and the bulk of the female roster are casters. Bioware just keeps adding more, and more casters, too.

I'm not really knocking their performance. Not intentionally. They're great at what they do, and I gave props on the inventive combination of old powers, though not so much on the edit of huntress' tac cloak which was made to correct a mistake, but there's a distinct lack of variety in what they do, I find.

I'm just tired of doing what they do, bluntly, coz it's about all I get to do in playing female characters. What they do, they do, arguably, better than other casters, but they're casters. 

And most women are flimsy. Some are above normal in durability, but that oft requires a lot of power spam, close proximity to enemies that have shields, and in general relies on cooldowns, and so on.

I'm just not going to be happy until Bioware stops being hung up on giving us female casters, and offers up some variety.

You've nailed it on the head early, and late in your post. None of the women are on the council of weapon masters, nor are any of them Krogard tough. Long and short of it, that's what's going to bother me until Bioware stops relying on wmen being casters.

Their performance can certainly be up there, but there's too many conditions on them being up there for the most part.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 01 février 2013 - 09:29 .


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Mumba1511 wrote...

To stare at the booty.


This, pretty much.

Especially in the Quarian's case.

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What?! Women being less durable than men??? This isn't right! That's not realistic at all. That's why the Olympics aren't run as gender-specific competitions!

Oh wait.

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@rebel raven
maybe because I, like you, only look forward to 2-3 games a year as
well, i miss out on the obscure ones, the medal of honor, armies of two
etc..
but when it comes to BLOCKBUSTER, high sales projection titles and characters, id say its pretty fair nowadays.
either
way im not trying to get caught up in this debate i just dont mind
playing as females and alot of the games i play i am a female, sometimes
with or without the option, but perhaps its just a coincidence because
of the type of games i like.

^^ i made this comment prior to your last one, and yeah those were just off the top of my head, all withn a minute or so, im not gonna act like i did any research.

Based on your comments, I ask you this:
so youre sick of the cookie cutter females, and you wanna break the stereotype, with a manly style , or tanky style, ( nothing offensive just anti-caster) of female, but isnt that just a stereotype too?

what kind of females do games have to have for it to be satisfactory?

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 01 février 2013 - 09:31 .


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Lord_Sirian wrote...

What?! Women being less durable than men??? This isn't right! That's not realistic at all. That's why the Olympics aren't run as gender-specific competitions!

Oh wait.


If the destroyer can be more durable based on tech alone, why not the rest of the human race? Or anyone for that matter?

You assume your stereotype is galaxy wide in a fictional galaxy, huh?

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Because they can? Because the lore of the game world allows for an amount of a character to warrant a class, and people would like that class to be female? Because the assets exist and can be modified for more diversity? For greater aesthetic diversity period? Bum bums? For Tuchanka? Other reason?

Everyone has a different reason. Some are more logical than others, and everyone seems to be vocal and volatile whenever the topic comes up. People want what they want because they want it.

Honestly the question shouldn't be why people want what they want, it should be why people are as nasty as they get whenever the topic comes up.

Modifié par Broganisity, 01 février 2013 - 09:37 .


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I'm all for equality, but feminists are annoying. And racial superiority folk of any color.

Sometimes it just seems like they're imagining things.

This thread's prolly getting locked soon.

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Because women play video-games too and should feel equal. They should be able to feel equal in representation.

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I use to think like that but you know what i found out.
They dont think like that about us at all. Most woman just want more of what they want period.
Even if there was a equal amount of male & female characters they would still want more female
characters not to mention most females just want to play with each other.
The proof is right here in this forums all these female only groups they form and there are
more then a handful of them.

I have personally stuck my neck out for lots of girls on all types of games only to wish i didnt.

Fact is men dont live in a perfect gaming world either so why waste your time on trying to
support females when you know they dont do the same for us in the least bit.
Between me and my friends we have a million stories that prove this right.

I really have nothing against females all in all, im just a guy who has experienced
plenty of hard lessons.

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Equal Opportunity!

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darkpassenger2342 wrote...

@rebel raven
what games cant you play as a female as nowadays?
the ones where a guy is the main character?
what about
tomb raider
bayonetta
mass effect
dragon age
kingdoms of amalur
skyrim
street fighter
mortal kombat
metroid
final fantasy 13.
thats just popular games in the last 2 years.
im gonna run out of room here.


Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, Street fighter, Mortal Kombat, and recent Metriods have highly sexualised their female characters to appeal to the male audience, not as any attempt to provide a stronger female perspective.

Modifié par Tokenusername, 01 février 2013 - 09:36 .


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THIS IS A MANS WORLD.

Thread locked. End of line...