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[Rebel_Raven]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

spudspot wrote...

In this case, I guess because that would be something 'new'. I mean, before we had the playable Geth, people asked for playable Geth. Before we had playable male Quarians, people asked for these.

Now we don't have female Turians, people ask for it to happen.

Heck, people even asked for Volus just because they weren't there.

Anybody who seriously finds him/herself discriminated by the gender inequality of the available kits must have a very hard life, nothing BW can do about that.

 

More like a very easy life and all they can do is whine about their first world problems. 

Women who complain about inequality in Western countries ought to experience life where REAL misogynists exist in large numbers.

You have a point, but I don't see it as an excuse to perpetuate the first world problems.

[Tokenusername]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Rebel_Raven wrote...

Where the non-supermodel women? I.E.  female Krogans who's bodies don't really conform to what huamnity would imagine a super model to be?

 

Well Tali and Liara were both good examples of females NOT portrayed in that light. That's why I liked them so much. 

Well, until they decided that Liara wasn't sexy enough and upped her cup size.

[spudspot]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Women who complain about inequality in Western countries ought to experience life where REAL misogynists exist in large numbers.

Come on, don't push the 'kids are starving in Africa' button here. I'm not particularly fond of feminism either, but in my experience it doesn't make your life easier when you suspect half of the population is discriminating you.

Anyway, bring on the female Turians, the models are there, I heard they are more flexible - finally a dodge move - so why not?

[Darth Malice113]

Mumba1511 wrote...



Someone had to do it. xD

I see your lock, and raise you Warp Core breach.






It was only a matter of time before this thread devolved into gender politics( if not from the opening post) and these things never end well on BSN.

[Tokenusername]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

They're called first world problems precisely because they are so damn trivial that they don't even deserve to be called problems. 

Yes, clearly because we aren't living in absolute poverty we don't have the right to be upset about anything.

[Tokenusername]

That's it, i'm calling it. There is no longer any purpose to continuing this thread. Lock it, lock it now.

[Rebel_Raven]

Lord_Sirian wrote...
Well Aria and Jack were exactly the kind of tough gal stereotyped women that I find boring. 

Ah.
I don't see them as fitting the "cold" part of what ya didn't like. They were anti-social, sure, but they had personality to them. They felt emotions, though mostly rage, and anger, but they weren't like that all the time.

I'm not too sure you'd see their personality type in hollywood movies much. At least not as main characters.

Still, I see where you're coming from, though.

Lord_Sirian wrote...
They're called first world problems precisely because they are so damn trivial that they don't even deserve to be called problems.

Sorry, still don't see it as an excuse to perpetuate them.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 01 février 2013 - 11:15 .

[OneMore1968]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

I personally think the Hollywood cold tough gal chick is a very boring and overused stereotype in modern entertainment.

Pretty sure it started with Ripley in Alien and she made such an impression that everyone just copied from then on.

It's probably why I'm not a big fan of Jennifer Hale's voice acting in ME.

Yeah I cringe when I watch Alien.  Not sure why there cannot be a balance between, "damsel in distress" and "dont f**k with me stereotypes.  That is why, if they ever make a film of the game, I hope the lead will be male.  I don't think they would be able to portray a female Shepard as she was in the game.   Star Trek Voyager springs to mind.  

Modifié par Carlina, 01 février 2013 - 11:17 .

[Tiamatshade]

MoosenLoosen wrote...
You know, if anyone in this thread actually respected women as a whole

MoosenLoosen wrote...
I assumed I was quite clear on the fact that I'm not referring to everyone in the thread. I'm not generalising.

Nope, wasn't really clear... except on the generalizing part. But props for participating in the discussion.

If I romanced Tali in one single-player trilogy and Liara in another, does an interest in their (alien) feminine appearance make me a bad person? I hope not. I'd have a lot of self-examination to do.

Modifié par Tiamatshade, 01 février 2013 - 11:18 .

[spudspot]

Tiamatshade wrote...

Nope, wasn't really clear... except on the generalizing part. But props for participating in the discussion.

If I romanced Tali in one single-player trilogy and Liara in another, does an interest in their (alien) feminine appearance make me a bad person? I hope not. I'd have a lot of self-examination to do.

Just romance Garrus in the next one and you're equal between female, male and no-gender again. 

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Hey don't be hating on Alien. I love that film (and the later ones). And I think Ripley was, back then a really interesting, novel and adventurous character choice. My only problem is that it seems other people also liked the film, and lots of them went on to be in the entertainment industry and now every single female protagonist ever is a cold, tough gal carpet muncher with a serious attitude. 

True, it also brought us the fantastic movie that Airforce Two is. But then, Hollywood uses a ****load of stereotypes just so people will have less trouble understanding the characters. So I guess it's really just a question of which of these stereotypes you like best.

Modifié par spudspot, 01 février 2013 - 11:23 .

[Cyonan]

Rebel_Raven wrote...
Sorry, the guys set the bar really high in 2 areas. Weapon synergy, and durability. Compared to them, I don't really see the female roster as spectacular in those regards.

Can't remember the last time people have sought to nerf a female character with any longevity, or vehemence, yet some people still want the TGI nerfed, and he just came out not that long ago. Lets not forget the ever present GI people complain about or praise. Like ya said, there's the council of weapon masters. They set the bar high in weapons use.

I don't see why a destroyer, or a guy with marksman can't fire a typhoon nonstop since they all have powers that refil the magazine. I might've missed something?

Yeah, female infiltrators are good with weapons. Sadly it's all for a few seconds, then 3 seconds as cloak cools down. They don't really have the durability to be in a fight so much in between all that cloaking and shooting. Spamming cloak to get shots off, sticking behind cover coz you'll be dead in moments otherwise.

Human Soldier's durable, yeah, but relying on cooldowns to abuse adrenaline rush? Human soldier is the only woman with adrenaline rush, too. Plus there's surviving long enough to fire the typhoon without reloading.

Valkyrie's durable, but relying on being near enemies who have shields to be more durable than a base human sentinel?

Like i said, they can get up there, but it takes a fair bit more to get them there. Yes, the women are capable, but they're not near the benchmarks guys have set save in being casters where they excel. Even still, flamer's pretty impressive if you wanna call it a caster power. Really gratifying really soon.

We're kinda going around in circles.

Marksman will cause the gun to run out of ammo before the cooldown is back up, and removing Devastator Mode means having his weapons master title revoked because it ruins his damage output.

This thread went to hell a few pages ago and I'm about to get some sleep so I'll just leave you with this:

These characters are far better than you're giving them credit for. The Human Soldier especially can hold her own against the Turian Soldier, N7 Destroyer, and Quarian Marksman all of which are on the council. I did not give them that name purely based on their damage output potential, and not being on the council does not mean that they are less effective.

I use the characters I have mentioned every day in Gold as weapons platforms. They perform just as well as any Soldier that is on the council, if not better.

The GI is a special case in the same way that the Kroguard is for durability.

[HolyAvenger]

I romanced Ash, Liara, Miranda and Tali with my DudeSheps and Garrus, Thane and Kaidan with my FemSheps. What does that make me? Really confused?

[OneMore1968]

lol Sirian, u r too sensitive. I never mentioned hate. I have the Trirlogy of Alien and it was groundbreaking in its day. But as u say, the model has been way over-used now. In fact I think the entertainment industry needs an injection of creativity. think of 2012, how many exceptional films were there? Or were they just rehashed ones in 3D. Unfortunately, whenever u get a success story in any field these days, the trend is to copy it again and again and again.

[HolyAvenger]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I romanced Ash, Liara, Miranda and Tali with my DudeSheps and Garrus, Thane and Kaidan with my FemSheps. What does that make me? Really confused?

 

A roleplayer.

A dirty word in some parts of BSN, but I'll take it as a compliment

[Leonia]

Well, this thread took a predictable turn for the worst in short order.

I just want more FemTurians, mostly because I am a lady and I adore turians. If it happens: great! If it doesn't: maybe we'll see more of them in ME4? Either way, not getting my panties in a twist over it and don't see the benefit in others doing so.

Ain't nothing wrong with RPing, 'tis what you're supposed to do in RPGs isn't it?

Modifié par leonia42, 01 février 2013 - 11:28 .

[Rebel_Raven]

Cyonan wrote...
Marksman will cause the gun to run out of ammo before the cooldown is back up, and removing Devastator Mode means having his weapons master title revoked because it ruins his damage output.

This thread went to hell a few pages ago and I'm about to get some sleep so I'll just leave you with this:

These characters are far better than you're giving them credit for. The Human Soldier especially can hold her own against the Turian Soldier, N7 Destroyer, and Quarian Marksman all of which are on the council. I did not give them that name purely based on their damage output potential, and not being on the council does not mean that they are less effective.

I use the characters I have mentioned every day in Gold as weapons platforms. They perform just as well as any Soldier that is on the council, if not better.

The GI is a special case in the same way that the Kroguard is for durability.

But you're missing out on one key point. Variety. There's only one female soldier. Would be nice if there was another, ya know? One who's base stats aren't flimsy?

I play in silver and gold as every female character. Just tired of being a caster, and tired of relying on spamming a power to be durable/do increased weapon damage. AR, Marksman, Devastator mode, Hunter mode, and such last more than a few seconds.

Also Sleep well.

Modifié par Rebel_Raven, 01 février 2013 - 11:31 .

[Serenity87HUN]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I romanced Ash, Liara, Miranda and Tali with my DudeSheps and Garrus, Thane and Kaidan with my FemSheps. What does that make me? Really confused?

Awesome :happy:
(I meant it in the "you are doing it right" way...  )

Modifié par Serenity87HUN, 01 février 2013 - 11:29 .

[Heldarion]

In case you couldn't figure it out, I was referencing the numerous and frequent requests for female characters.
Female characters which are not dropped into canon simply as ****** material are strongly outnumbered in video games by male characters with depth and reasons they are who they are. 
Women are treated as less than in a way that makes it look like they're being given preferential treatment. The ladies I know don't need a freaking crutch. They just want someone to identify with.

Do women need a muscular lady to identify with? I'm very sceptic about it, but only women can answer that question.

No, I do not see us everywhere generalised as walking dicks. I see women's value consistently boiled down to her sex appeal and her ability to entertain a man, while we are taught that we are entitled to that. I have never been generalised as a walking dick in a way that is comparable to the manner in which women are reduced to objects.

We could talk at greath length about this, but I'm not willing to, so I'm not going to argue that.

So, when you see a stranger, you feel that in order to show him common courtesy and recognise him as a human being, he must first 'earn' his right to have you not wipe your snot on him, step on his heels in line and blow smoke in his face? No. You'd probably be arrested for being a public nuisance.

Uh no, the scale isn't 'respect---scorn', it's 'respect---indiference---scorn'. I am mostly indifferent.

Modifié par Heldarion, 01 février 2013 - 11:33 .

[MoosenLoosen]

Tiamatshade wrote...

MoosenLoosen wrote...
You know, if anyone in this thread actually respected women as a whole

MoosenLoosen wrote...
I assumed I was quite clear on the fact that I'm not referring to everyone in the thread. I'm not generalising.

Nope, wasn't really clear... except on the generalizing part. But props for participating in the discussion.

If I romanced Tali in one single-player trilogy and Liara in another, does an interest in their (alien) feminine appearance make me a bad person? I hope not. I'd have a lot of self-examination to do.

My apologies, then.
It doesn't make you a bad person as much as dating a woman in real life would. However, I try to nudge people into keeping a mindful attitude around how they are seeing a person, fictional or not. I find that you can't isolate your thoughts from behaviours forever and everyone is responsible for their own.
If you're beginning to feel angry toward a woman, for example, for a bad experience you've had, eventually if it festers you're gonna start feeling angry without even having to think about it. And that's no fun at all.