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Respecting lore in MP (why reload cancel may be immersively wrong)


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I like to a adopt a lore-compliant approach to ME3 MP.
I enjoy RPG's more than Shooters, so that's the perspective I'm coming from.
So any player action or mechanic must be consistent with the 'game world'.
Shooting with no purpose is empty. For me ME3 balances this beatifully.
Non consistent action feels like cheating to me - I'm not playing 'properly'.

So that's why Reload Cancel is wrong.
The mechanic makes no sense within the game.
The mechanical reload is unnecessary because you use a power? How could that work?
So I do not and will not Reload Cancel because I find it a cheap move that is not game-consistent.

Right hand advantage from soft cover, no problem. Right-handed gun position allows protection for the body. Fine.

Running with the Pizza: wrong.
It's heavy ok.
Pick up & drop mechanic to allow running makes absolutely no sense.
I would go further to say that ideally Krogan could carry the Pizza faster and Volus slower.

Missile gitching: Wrong at all levels, great news that it's been addressed.

Hydra sniping point COULD be ok - IF human-sized enemies could climb after you and if falling off meant that you irretrievably bled out and didn't pop up at extraction.

The Box of Shame is unfortunate. A Banshee should be able to bend over slightly.

And finally. Players who die away from extraction should get no experience and no credits because they are dead and have been left behind.
Bleeding out players could be dragged onto the Shuttle.
And on Reactor, extraction should simply be getting into the elevator (the shuttle arrives where exactly?).

Modifié par adrest4, 01 février 2013 - 01:49 .


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Hehehe  Image IPB

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Do we really need another thread on that subject?

Do we really need more people who tell others that they're doing something wrong even if BW is fine with it?

Do we need this?

GallowsPole wrote...

Hehehe  Image IPB


Awww, you made it in here before me. :wub:

Modifié par spudspot, 01 février 2013 - 01:29 .


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I...but...you should be eaten.

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Its a game. Don't tell me how to use game mechanics.

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Wouldn't that also mean that you are dead for the rest of the match if you get sync-killed? No amount of medi-gel can save you if your brain gets smashed by a Praetorian.

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Somebody post that picture of the small violin

Ok the game does not work like you want it to.
Deal with it.
This discussion leads nowhere anyway so don't waste your time replying here guys

Modifié par Super Saiyajin, 01 février 2013 - 01:28 .


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ellipticwhistle wrote...

Its a game. Don't tell me how to use game mechanics.



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I give no f***s about the RC.

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This will end well.

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TL;DR

Reload canceling works in SP aswell.

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While I understand the point you're making, some things just aren't consistant enough to allow this. Why couldn't an agile drell melee while reloading? Why couldn't a krogan run with a puny satchel backpack thing, how does the whole revive thing work. But I whole heartedly agree with bugs/glitches, outside of the 'remove cobra' one, gotta love that one.

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It´s game. Just have fun.

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OP, i'm sure what you're saying will be implemented very quickly

Once you buy over bioware...

EA bought over bioware for $620 million cash. You might want to get others who think the same of you to help pay. With 10 of you, each will only need to pay 62 million and the game will be like what you said.

Modifié par Computron2000, 01 février 2013 - 01:33 .


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Clarification:

Not saying BioWare should change mechanics they aleady accept to suit the lore-picky.
It's a well known mechanic in other games I understand.

But for an 'authentic' experience, I don't like it.
You should feel fine about using it - I'm just discussing where the line is between Cancelling (most think it's fine) and Missile Glitching (most thought it wasn't).

EDIT: And the 'teleporting' Krogan Cobra is funny...

Modifié par adrest4, 01 février 2013 - 01:32 .


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<_<

ellipticwhistle wrote...

Its a game. Don't tell me how to use game mechanics.


This.

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You're right. None of these things are remotely realistic. However, Mass Effect does have one of the most realistic depictions of space magic of any game, and they have very realistic Elves, Hobbits and Dwarves.

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Lore? In MP? lolz

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adrest4 wrote...

Clarification:

Not saying BioWare should change mechanics they aleady accept to suit the lore-picky.
It's a well known mechanic in other games I understand.

But for an 'authentic' experience, I don't like it.
You should feel fine about using it - I'm just discussing where the line is between Cancelling (most think it's fine) and Missile Glitching (most thought it wasn't).


You mean the line between intentional design and cheating?

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Get out

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adrest4 wrote...

But for an 'authentic' experience, I don't like it.
You should feel fine about using it - I'm just discussing where the line is between Cancelling (most think it's fine) and Missile Glitching (most thought it wasn't).


Ok, I'm gonna give the longest version of a serious discussion you can probably have on this issue:

Reload cancelling = intended game mechanic, not considered an offense of any sort by BW, hence it isn't penalized.

Missile glitching = uninteded bug which completely nullifies any difficulty in this game, considered a top tier exploit by BW, hence you'll be banned for it.

Anything beyond that is just throwing around opinions, which in some cases tend to make me hate Poe's law. 

Modifié par spudspot, 01 février 2013 - 01:37 .


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Does it mean that GallowsPole has now multiple account and posting from them to support his case? Also if it's true will he be fighting Lord Sirian simultaneously from all of them?

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I think you're right for the wrong reasons.