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[UEG Donkey]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Crusader with no delay will get nerfed. No thanks.

Compare it to the Saber or Claymore and the fact that its a promo and not an ultra rare

[Miniditka77]

Air Quotes wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Why can't people use this gun? My circle of friends has been using it more and more... and they're all really happy with the weapon's performance.

Go ahead... remove the delay... but the gun is already quite awesome. 4-5 buffs will do that...

 

Wraith is better in every way. Claymore is better too. 

The Wraith is not better in every way.  The Crusader is a great gun, it's just the stupid firing mechanics holding it back.  I really don't understand what the purpose was for designing it this way.  Take that away, and it would be used all over the place.

Ways the Crusader is better:  Innate piercing, longer range, negligible armor damage reduction, almost double the fire rate, significantly higher burst and sustained DPS, more spare ammo.

Ways the Wraith is better:  Better damage per shot, not affected by shield gate, lighter, easier to level up (for elite players who play all the time), actually shoots where it's pointing when you pull the trigger.

Take away that last listed Wraith advantage, and the Crusader becomes a superior gun for weapon classes.

Modifié par Miniditka77, 01 février 2013 - 05:02 .

[stinekandts]

Air Quotes wrote...

Remove the stupid 0.2 second hit delay from  Crusader because: 

1. The weapon already weights a TON and is on par with Claymore
2. The ROF is nothing spectacular
3. The damage is nothing spectacular
4. It doesn't bypass shieldgate like other shotguns do 
5. It has almost nothing over Wraith in the range departament
6. The stats fool the player into believing that it's a very accurate shotgun while in fact it's not and heavy leading is required.    

Every single weapon in the game has mechanics that we all have to get used to. If you can't get comfortable with the gun, then maybe you should shelf it instead of trying to "fix" it. Your argument shows perceived shotcomings of the Crusader, the only one I think you are off on is accuracy. Accuracy means you can hit targets from across the map. Accuracy does not mean aiming in the 1.5m radius of a target and still hitting it. The reason you miss while trying to hit a moving target is because your weapon is too accurate for thje user's ability....or bandwidth. 

[capn233]

The fire delay should be removed.

Gun would not be nerfed because it is still a real hitscan weapon and would still require more precision aiming than the Claymore or the Wraith.

[Big Bad]

I prefer the crusader over the claymore, but a lot of that has to do with the fact that I'm not that good at reload canceling.

[Miniditka77]

Air Quotes wrote...

In practice Wraith covers all the range you really need. And it's MUCH more effective at CQC. It can OHK mooks with body shots. It's 3 times lighter! And it has better burst damage. by 400.   

 "Actually shoots where it's pointing when you pull the trigger" 
" Take away that last listed Wraith advantage, and the Crusader becomes a superior gun for weapon classes" 

LOL. That is all. 

If the Wraith covered all the range you really need, nobody would use sniper rifles.  If all you play is Glacier or you don't like shooting at long range, then that's personal preference.  Don't discount the Crusader's advantage in taking out enemies at sniper range though.  And I guess "burst damage" is how you define it.  If you mean "single shot damage," then obviously the Wraith is better.  If you mean "single clip damage" (which I did), the Crusader is significantly better.

Also, the Wraith is a better mook killer, and it always will be because of shield gate.  The Crusader will always do better damage to armor.

Look, I love the Wraith, and I have used it a ton even before the damage buff.  Even if the Crusader were fixed, I'd probably still use the Wraith more often, except maybe on Infiltrators or Krogan.  I'm certainly not saying the Crusader is "better in every way", because it isn't.  It's better at some things, armor damage being the most important of them.  I AM saying that the Wraith isn't "better in every way."  It's better in some ways, and it comes down to personal preference.

[sandboxgod]

I just wish I had a Crusader X. But even at IV I still like the gun. It's nothing earth shattering but usable. I am happy with the current balance of shotguns honestly.

I think ARs and maybe SMGs are the ones that might need further tweaks

[Kalas Magnus]

Well obviously I want the bug fixed. What is the point of this thread? Who would oppose it?

Also, that thing is a top tier weapon on paper btw. 

Modifié par Kalas321, 01 février 2013 - 05:41 .

[andresft]

Air Quotes wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

In practice Wraith covers all the range you really need. And it's MUCH more effective at CQC. It can OHK mooks with body shots. It's 3 times lighter! And it has better burst damage. by 400.   

 "Actually shoots where it's pointing when you pull the trigger" 
" Take away that last listed Wraith advantage, and the Crusader becomes a superior gun for weapon classes" 

LOL. That is all. 

If the Wraith covered all the range you really need, nobody would use sniper rifles.  If all you play is Glacier or you don't like shooting at long range, then that's personal preference.  Don't discount the Crusader's advantage in taking out enemies at sniper range though.  And I guess "burst damage" is how you define it.  If you mean "single shot damage," then obviously the Wraith is better.  If you mean "single clip damage" (which I did), the Crusader is significantly better.

Also, the Wraith is a better mook killer, and it always will be because of shield gate.  The Crusader will always do better damage to armor.

Look, I love the Wraith, and I have used it a ton even before the damage buff.  Even if the Crusader were fixed, I'd probably still use the Wraith more often, except maybe on Infiltrators or Krogan.  I'm certainly not saying the Crusader is "better in every way", because it isn't.  It's better at some things, armor damage being the most important of them.  I AM saying that the Wraith isn't "better in every way."  It's better in some ways, and it comes down to personal preference.

 

If you want a sniper - Black Widow is MILES better than Crusader. And Crusaders single clip DPS is only 100 higher. That's 4 shots vs 2. And those 4 shots are a lot harder to make and can leave you exposed for longer

Yeah, but we're not talking about sniper rifles, are we? The point is that people are disingenuously suggesting that the Crusader has no range advantage vs. the Wraith, which is obviously not true at all. A sniper rifle is better at sniping than the Crusader, a shotgun? Well, spank my *** and call me Gertrude. That I did not see coming. But it doesn't change the fact that we're comparing the Crusader with a sniper rifle like it's the logical thing to do, and that alone sets it apart from the Wraith, especially in terms of range.

That said, it's not like I don't see your point, it's just very poorly conveyed. In any scenario where the Crusader is better than the Wraith, the Black Widow is better than the Crusader. I would tend to agree, except the Crusader gives you a level of flexibility that neither of the other two weapons (which I love deeply) gives you. If the Crusader were a better short-range shotgun AND a better sniper rifle than the Wraith and the BW, then there would be absolutely no point in using the Wraith and the BW whatsoever.

Modifié par andresft, 01 février 2013 - 05:44 .

[Reaper_prime]

Nvm ignore this post.

Modifié par Reaper_prime, 01 février 2013 - 05:50 .

[FataliTensei]

I've never even noticed the delay....

[UEG Donkey]

FataliTensei wrote...

I've never even noticed the delay....

mostly noticeable when you shoot faster moving targets at close range (think dragoons) You sort of have to lead the target out a bit. 

[Zjarcal]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Crusader with no delay will get nerfed. No thanks.

Eh, Crusader is in no way shape or form ever going to be overpowered. Nothing you can do with it can't already be done with a Saber (or even a Paladin to a lesser extent). Considering neither the Saber nor the Paladin are exactly overused, I fail to see how a much heavier version (which admittedly does have higher DPS) of them suddenly will be used by everyone on every kit, which is the only way it would get nerfed.

On topic, was it ever confirmed the delay was intentional and not a bug?

Either way, hell yes I want that damn delay removed. Recently I've decided to use it on my Salarian Infiltrator thanks to a comment form TheKillerAngel, and it's actually a decent combo (two powers that stagger make the delay a non issue for the most part), but I would still want to be able to use it on other kits without having to worry about that stupid delay.

EDIT: Ok lol, went back and read the whole thread, no idea why was my one shot platinum atlas video ever brought up. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 01 février 2013 - 06:50 .

[UEG Donkey]

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Modifié par UEG Donkey, 01 février 2013 - 06:11 .

[UEG Donkey]

[quote]UEG Donkey wrote...

[quote]andresft wrote...

[quote]Air Quotes wrote...

[quote]Miniditka77 wrote...

If the Wraith covered all the range you really need, nobody would use sniper rifles.  If all you play is Glacier or you don't like shooting at long range, then that's personal preference.  Don't discount the Crusader's advantage in taking out enemies at sniper range though.
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If you want a sniper - Black Widow is MILES better than Crusader.
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Yeah, but we're not talking about sniper rifles, are we?

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Come on guys context, the Black Widow analogy was made because the post above totted the range of the crusader
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Modifié par UEG Donkey, 01 février 2013 - 06:10 .

[Tybo]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Why can't people use this gun? My circle of friends has been using it more and more... and they're all really happy with the weapon's performance.

Go ahead... remove the delay... but the gun is already quite awesome. 4-5 buffs will do that...

No offense intended to anyone who doesn't mind the delay.

But in my opinion, the better you are at shooting, the more the delay affects you.  When I first used the Crusader, I thought it was a good gun.  It took me a bit to steady my aim, and as such the .2 second delay didn't affect me.

Since this is one of the first shooters I've played seriously, I've improved my aim by quite a bit since then.  I can now more effectively snap to new targets, and now the delay throws off my timing and feels really weird, since I am used to pulling the trigger once I get to the enemy.

In addition, I don't understand the point of such a non-intuitive mechanic.  If you want it to have a delay, make it a projectile or give it a ramp up like the Javelin.  Also, it is terrible with lag.

In conclusion, petition signed.

Modifié par tyhw, 01 février 2013 - 06:15 .

[immanji]

tyhw wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

Why can't people use this gun? My circle of friends has been using it more and more... and they're all really happy with the weapon's performance.

Go ahead... remove the delay... but the gun is already quite awesome. 4-5 buffs will do that...

No offense intended to anyone who doesn't mind the delay.

But in my opinion, the better you are at shooting, the more the delay affects you.  When I first used the Crusader, I thought it was a good gun.  It took me a bit to steady my aim, and as such the .2 second delay didn't affect me.

Since this is one of the first shooters I've played seriously, I've improved my aim by quite a bit since then.  I can now more effectively snap to new targets, and now the delay throws off my timing and feels really weird, since I am used to pulling the trigger once I get to the enemy.

In addition, I don't understand the point of such a non-intuitive mechanic.  If you want it to have a delay, make it a projectile or give it a ramp up like the Javelin.  Also, it is terrible with lag.

In conclusion, petition signed.

I had the worst experience with it on a laggy host. A nightmare! I really hope they fix this delay. Especially since I have it at 9 

[Nissun]

Wait - hitscan weapons are the ones that hit right as the projectile is fired, correct? Meaning that there is no "projectile" that travels, right?

Then why is the Crusader NOT one of those in the first place? It's all borked up. I really think people that haven't noticed anything weird with it haven't used it enough, or with a bit of lag. I mean, I get how lag can kill a weapon like the GPS, but the Crusader? The thing should be like a scopeless Black Widow.

But it's not. Sometimes it misses, and sometimes the shots appear to do no damage. Although I suspect this second thing is caused directly by the first.


So, unless the target is moving directly towards you, completely still, or taking cover, hitting it is something of a miracle. I'm no headshot machine, but I've managed to get quite a few satisfying shots on moving targets with the Black Widow and the Valiant. Trying it with the Crusader is an exercise in futility, because the lag will screw you over every time.

Modifié par Nissun, 01 février 2013 - 06:23 .

[solidprice]

its hardly noticable on host. having said that,....

yes remove it. it is less to be desired off host.
anything to see it become more useful. also it still needs more buffs.

Modifié par solidprice, 01 février 2013 - 06:28 .

[UEG Donkey]

Air Quotes wrote...

UEG Donkey wrote...

andresft wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

If the Wraith covered all the range you really need, nobody would use sniper rifles.  If all you play is Glacier or you don't like shooting at long range, then that's personal preference.  Don't discount the Crusader's advantage in taking out enemies at sniper range though.

 

If you want a sniper - Black Widow is MILES better than Crusader.

Yeah, but we're not talking about sniper rifles, are we?
Come on guys context, the Black Widow analogy was made because the post above totted the range of the crusader

 



As I said - Crusader is basically a scopeless 4 shot Black Widow. With a useless delay. 
 

yeah see edit, the qoute didn't apply properly when I trunicated some of the content.  I agree with you