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[justinblac]

Air Quotes wrote...

What's to nerf? It has sub-par damage, ROF is garbage, weights more than a Krogan in armor with a Claymore and unwashed ears. 

I was on board until you had to say something about Krogan ears.  Too far.  Waaaayyy to far.

[Sir_Alan_]

I always thought that was just lag XD - though it might be more prominent because I usually get laggy games(!)

I guess therefore that I agree the hit delay is annoying and would be better removed.

A slight increase in RoF would be nice but the rest I can live with, although making it not weigh like a horse would increase it's potential on more classes...

[Miniditka77]

Air Quotes wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

In practice Wraith covers all the range you really need. And it's MUCH more effective at CQC. It can OHK mooks with body shots. It's 3 times lighter! And it has better burst damage. by 400.   

 "Actually shoots where it's pointing when you pull the trigger" 
" Take away that last listed Wraith advantage, and the Crusader becomes a superior gun for weapon classes" 

LOL. That is all. 

If the Wraith covered all the range you really need, nobody would use sniper rifles.  If all you play is Glacier or you don't like shooting at long range, then that's personal preference.  Don't discount the Crusader's advantage in taking out enemies at sniper range though.  And I guess "burst damage" is how you define it.  If you mean "single shot damage," then obviously the Wraith is better.  If you mean "single clip damage" (which I did), the Crusader is significantly better.

Also, the Wraith is a better mook killer, and it always will be because of shield gate.  The Crusader will always do better damage to armor.

Look, I love the Wraith, and I have used it a ton even before the damage buff.  Even if the Crusader were fixed, I'd probably still use the Wraith more often, except maybe on Infiltrators or Krogan.  I'm certainly not saying the Crusader is "better in every way", because it isn't.  It's better at some things, armor damage being the most important of them.  I AM saying that the Wraith isn't "better in every way."  It's better in some ways, and it comes down to personal preference.

 

If you want a sniper - Black Widow is MILES better than Crusader. And Crusaders single clip DPS is only 100 higher. That's 4 shots vs 2. And those 4 shots are a lot harder to make and can leave you exposed for longer

Except if I don't want a sniper rifle.  The Crusader is a gun that is good at all ranges.  That's the whole point of the gun.

Also, the DPS difference you listed is base.  Add 25% for weapon mod, 12% for Shock Trooper, 27.5% for passive, and the DPS difference is almost 200.  With a TC bonus, it's almost 300.  Add even more for a L3 Shotgun amp.  You're also forgetting the upside of 4 shots vs. 2.  The Wraith punishes missed shots much more harshly than the Crusader.

Again, not saying the Crusader is the all-around superior weapon.  The Wraith is probably all-around superior.  The Crusader does some things better though.  It's really kind of strange that you can't admit that.  Why are you wasting time asking for a fix to the Crusader if you apparently think it has no purpose?

Modifié par Miniditka77, 01 février 2013 - 06:48 .

[Miniditka77]

andresft wrote...

In any scenario where the Crusader is better than the Wraith, the Black Widow is better than the Crusader. I would tend to agree, except the Crusader gives you a level of flexibility that neither of the other two weapons (which I love deeply) gives you. If the Crusader were a better short-range shotgun AND a better sniper rifle than the Wraith and the BW, then there would be absolutely no point in using the Wraith and the BW whatsoever.

This is exactly the point.  You said it better than I did.

[CoffeeHolic93]

I'm not going to use the gun because of the delay. While the delay of the Javelin is something that takes some getting used to, it's also something that can help you correct a shot at the very last fraction of a second. Hard to master, but very rewarding.

The crusader has delay that you have to take into account before you actually shoot, so you -need- a big target, a stagger power or the enemy being in cover. There's already a drawback in the accuracy because it makes it harder to use in close quarters, but the delay is just a no-no for me as far as drawbacks go.

[UEG Donkey]

Miniditka77 wrote...

andresft wrote...

In any scenario where the Crusader is better than the Wraith, the Black Widow is better than the Crusader. I would tend to agree, except the Crusader gives you a level of flexibility that neither of the other two weapons (which I love deeply) gives you. If the Crusader were a better short-range shotgun AND a better sniper rifle than the Wraith and the BW, then there would be absolutely no point in using the Wraith and the BW whatsoever.

This is exactly the point.  You said it better than I did.

Doesn't the Saber fill that role

[Omnifarious Nef]

I have a Crusader X, NEVER, EVER, going to use it because of the delay, it's just far too much hassle off host.

[Julian Skies]

The day I notice it has a delay is the day I will care about it having a delay

[BetrayerOfNihil]

Hell, I'd accept a projectile (Like the Kishock's harpoon, the Graal's spikes, etc..) instead of the delay.

[Jokoso]

Poo is situational.

My Crusader is at X and the only negative thing is the shot delay. Once you get the feel for it there is definitely a sense of achievement. So, really, it's almost a badge of honor rather than a problem.

Ultimately I would like to see the gun without the delay. If nothing else but to see what it feels like.

Regardless I bet I'd still love it.

[capn233]

Nissun wrote...

Wait - hitscan weapons are the ones that hit right as the projectile is fired, correct? Meaning that there is no "projectile" that travels, right?

Then why is the Crusader NOT one of those in the first place?

Hitscan just means that the program doesn't calculate a projectile and time of flight.  If the cross hair is on a target when the weapon fires, it is considered a hit.

Crusader just happens to have a 0.2s delay after you click fire until it actually fires.  Which you would have to assume was unintentional since the developer who investigated it had to investigate in the first place instead of just telling us there was a delay.

[llandwynwyn]

35 voted no

I don't understand BSN.

[Najarati]

I'm one of those people who is more excited to receive a Crusader upgrade over a Hurricane upgrade; we're out there. In fact, I've been waiting for -months- to get another Crusader upgrade. It's my weapon of choice for the FQI and has been for a while now. I used to hate the gun, but love it now. There's a learning curve, certainly, and some people can work with it; others can't.

It's a similar situation with the Acolyte. I cannot stand the charge on that gun and do not play as well when using it yet there are those who swear by it. Eventually, I stopped trying to make it work for me and just switched it out for the Talon. Things have been much better for my FQE since then.

As for the Crusader, if BW wants to tweak it, fine. Hopefully, they won't drop its damage or otherwise nerf its other properties in the process. It's a hard-hitting brute of a gun.

[Arppis]

Air Quotes wrote...

Somehow I don't see many threads of - "Wow I'm so happy I got a Crusader, this thing is so beast and better than Hurricane" And don't tell me all of those players who hate it need to lrn2play.

Sure.

Because everything else gets same response, why not this one too?

Ahem... L2P.

...and because I am lazy and cba to l2p. I would like the delay removed.

Modifié par Arppis, 01 février 2013 - 09:07 .

[Miniditka77]

Air Quotes wrote...

Are you kidding me? Crusader is absolute garbage at CQC vs Humandoid enemies. Wraith will one shot them and you will hit were you point. Crusader will miss that moving Dragoon because 0.2 seconds in CQC is an eternity. 

I want to like Crusader and it would have a purpose if it hit where you aim. It's a HITSCAN weapon. If I want to lead my targets I will take a Graal or Kishock. 

I was talking about the Crusader being a good weapon if it was fixed.  The Crusader is not a good weapon at any range right now unless you're firing at a gigantic boss enemy, except for those few people who have learned to use it.  Banshees are sometimes even too skinny to hit reliably at long ranges with it.

[Miniditka77]

UEG Donkey wrote...

Miniditka77 wrote...

andresft wrote...

In any scenario where the Crusader is better than the Wraith, the Black Widow is better than the Crusader. I would tend to agree, except the Crusader gives you a level of flexibility that neither of the other two weapons (which I love deeply) gives you. If the Crusader were a better short-range shotgun AND a better sniper rifle than the Wraith and the BW, then there would be absolutely no point in using the Wraith and the BW whatsoever.

This is exactly the point.  You said it better than I did.

Doesn't the Saber fill that role

The Saber is probably the most similar weapon to the Crusader.  It serves a similar purpose, but with a few differences, like lower weight and lower power (and no 50% Omni Blade attachment).

[llandwynwyn]

'L2P' isn't a valid answer.

I love the Crusader, I can headshot an enemy from across Hydra with no problem when the weapon decide to hit. I've witness it missing a f*cking Brute that was right in front of me, because I was aiming somewhere else before I shot him.

[Arppis]

llandwynwyn wrote...

'L2P' isn't a valid answer.

I love the Crusader, I can headshot an enemy from across Hydra with no problem when the weapon decide to hit. I've witness it missing a f*cking Brute that was right in front of me, because I was aiming somewhere else before I shot him.

Hey man (...or woman) it works for me! L2p! BANZINGA! Because I can do it right, nobody else has right to complain!

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

Nope.

Once can learn to deal with the delay. If you have mastered it, you annihilate stuff. I mean, serious annihilating. Not this pseudo-annihilating Harrier users do.

Also, I fear a nerf upon fixing it.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 01 février 2013 - 09:25 .

[oXTheReverendXo]

When I used it for the shotgun challenge, I was surprised by how much I didn't hate the Crusader. Still, it ended up being relegated to my never-used pile. I think getting rid of the delay could go a long way toward fixing that.

[lightswitch]

This thread confuses me. The rate of fire is good, the sustained DPS is better than a Claymore or a Wraith, and the firing delay isn't that different than the firing delay on the Javelin. But the Javelin is considered one of the best weapons while the Crusader is considered worthless.

I don't understand.

[Arppis]

lightswitch wrote...

This thread confuses me. The rate of fire is good, the sustained DPS is better than a Claymore or a Wraith, and the firing delay isn't that different than the firing delay on the Javelin. But the Javelin is considered one of the best weapons while the Crusader is considered worthless.

I don't understand.

People can't get hang of the delay.

[Cyonan]

lightswitch wrote...

This thread confuses me. The rate of fire is good, the sustained DPS is better than a Claymore or a Wraith, and the firing delay isn't that different than the firing delay on the Javelin. But the Javelin is considered one of the best weapons while the Crusader is considered worthless.

I don't understand.

It's a lot different than the one on the Javelin.

The Javelin can't miss a target that you have your crosshairs over when the gun fires. The Crusader can.

[crashmatusow]

Javelin fires upon charge release. Crusader delays after fire event