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[Addai]

Solmanian wrote...

For me, I felt that playing Witcher 2 was indistinguishable from watching porn. The plot was like something Paul Verhoven would've made in the good old days.

If bioware want to make a success like witcher 2, all they need to do is tke any of their IP's and flood them with boobies and female crotch shots. This will gaurentee hundreds of thousands will descend on Metacritic and swear it is the best game ever.

How do people survive in the age of cable TV when the sight of a little skin causes your brain to shut down so completely?

As for the OP, it's too late now, I'm sure, but for DA3's sake I would hope that they made the political story line is as subtle and smart as TW2's.  CDPR trusted the audience not to be imbeciles and even if sometimes that trust is misplaced (see the above post, for instance), I appreciate that they didn't focus-group the story into a mush of cliche's.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

What can everyone learn from Pong?

[InfinitePaths]

I can't believe these people who say CDPR should learn from Bioware.They gave us free DLC,free expansions,no day 1 DLC bull****,but many free DLC and Expansions.The story is superior,the choices are superior,the witcher 2 is by far superior than the dragon age game.And about no CC?It is a story about him,it is a type of narrative,i don't want my white wolf witcher to be customizable and to have blond ponytail hair or can be a girl(girls can't be witchers).

[LinksOcarina]

HeriocGreyWarden wrote...

I can't believe these people who say CDPR should learn from Bioware.They gave us free DLC,free expansions,no day 1 DLC bull****,but many free DLC and Expansions.The story is superior,the choices are superior,the witcher 2 is by far superior than the dragon age game.And about no CC?It is a story about him,it is a type of narrative,i don't want my white wolf witcher to be customizable and to have blond ponytail hair or can be a girl(girls can't be witchers).

All subjective stances This is why this thread exists, not everyone see this as the right thing. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 04 février 2013 - 09:24 .

[InfinitePaths]

whoops,double post

Modifié par HeriocGreyWarden, 04 février 2013 - 09:27 .

[frostajulie]

2 words
Jiggly boobies.

sorry I couldn't resist.

[BouncyFrag]

frostajulie wrote...

2 words
Jiggly boobies.

sorry I couldn't resist.

Bioware does have some experiences with things that are jiggly.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

DinoSteve wrote...

What can everyone learn from Pong?

That anyone can make a video game?

[AlanC9]

BouncyFrag wrote...
Bioware does have some experiences with things that are jiggly.

I thought that was going to link to a picture of Aribeth.

[obsessedwjpn]

I have no issue with the Witcher games having sex in them or showing full nudity BUT when they show full nudity of the women, I , as a female player, want to see the males fully nude as well. We never see Geralt's sexual organs and yet we are shown Triss' chest and lower region. Also, my issue with the Witcher games are that they are clearly made with a male audience in mind. I appreciate how Bioware games try to please female gamers as well by allowing you to play as a female and instigate your own sexual advances rather than have the male do all that.

If the Witcher games were REALLY adult they would show the male's junk just like they show the female's. Of course obviously they shy away from this because they are worried their male audience of gamers will be grossed out. But what about the females? We don't get any fan service?

[Yuqi]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I have no issue with the Witcher games having sex in them or showing full nudity BUT when they show full nudity of the women, I , as a female player, want to see the males fully nude as well. We never see Geralt's sexual organs and yet we are shown Triss' chest and lower region. Also, my issue with the Witcher games are that they are clearly made with a male audience in mind. I appreciate how Bioware games try to please female gamers as well by allowing you to play as a female and instigate your own sexual advances rather than have the male do all that.

If the Witcher games were REALLY adult they would show the male's junk just like they show the female's. Of course obviously they shy away from this because they are worried their male audience of gamers will be grossed out. But what about the females? We don't get any fan service?

^This.

[FodoSatoru]

Yuqi wrote...

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I have no issue with the Witcher games having sex in them or showing full nudity BUT when they show full nudity of the women, I , as a female player, want to see the males fully nude as well. We never see Geralt's sexual organs and yet we are shown Triss' chest and lower region. Also, my issue with the Witcher games are that they are clearly made with a male audience in mind. I appreciate how Bioware games try to please female gamers as well by allowing you to play as a female and instigate your own sexual advances rather than have the male do all that.

If the Witcher games were REALLY adult they would show the male's junk just like they show the female's. Of course obviously they shy away from this because they are worried their male audience of gamers will be grossed out. But what about the females? We don't get any fan service?

^This.

It seems questionable to me, if the visual presentation of male sexual organs qualifies as a fan service for  females. It is hardly often heard that female gamers want more penis showings in their games.In contrast, males most often welcome full female nudity in enthusiastic manner.  I agree though, they should apply full male nudity as well, for the sake of consistency. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

Go watch the sex scene. You see Geralt's ass, chest and limbs (no dong). You see Triss's ass, chest and limbs (no vag). Why must we include schlongs when equal showings of both the male and female bodies is already present in the game?

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 05 février 2013 - 04:26 .

[Pauravi]

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I'd rather say what CDProjkect could learn from Dragon Age, such as "let us make our own characters" and "there are perspectives that exist aside from the straight male one."

Not necessarily good ideas when the source material is based specifically on that specific character, who is extremely straight and male.

Not every RPG needs to have, or should have, different protagonists to suit the preferences of the person playing; stories and games that try to please everyone often just water themselves down.  If you don't like the story being told from that perspective, don't read the book and leave it to the fans who do.

I like TW and TW2, and I like DAO and DA2.  But I don't necessarily think they need to learn anything from each other.  They are each excellent games that set out to accomplish very different things.

[Pauravi]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

my issue with the Witcher games are that they are clearly made with a male audience in mind.

Look at the protagonist.  He is *extremely* male and straight, and in the most typically macho of ways.  This is especially glaring in TW1, replete with drinking competitions and fist fighting minigames.

This is simply the tenor of the books and of the entire culture that those characters exist in.  This is not just CDPR's doing, but the doing of the books that those games are tightly based upon.  They can't undo that without being unfaithful to the source material, and if there is anything I know about CDPR, it is that they are committed to being faithful to the spirit of their source material (which is why Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be f**king awesome).

[sympathy4sarenreturns]

Speaking of...the first screens and details of The Witcher 3 just revealed. And the graphics are even outdated to what they will be since its an old rendering. Nevertheless, Geralt looks incredible even now and supposedly its pure open world. 20% larger then Skyrim. CDPR evolved their engine to have both top of the line, state-of-the-art cinematc cutscenes and open world.

[obsessedwjpn]

Pauravi wrote...

obsessedwjpn wrote...

my issue with the Witcher games are that they are clearly made with a male audience in mind.

Look at the protagonist.  He is *extremely* male and straight, and in the most typically macho of ways.  This is especially glaring in TW1, replete with drinking competitions and fist fighting minigames.

This is simply the tenor of the books and of the entire culture that those characters exist in.  This is not just CDPR's doing, but the doing of the books that those games are tightly based upon.  They can't undo that without being unfaithful to the source material, and if there is anything I know about CDPR, it is that they are committed to being faithful to the spirit of their source material (which is why Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be f**king awesome).

I am fine with them being faithful to the source material but when the source material is so heterosexual male-centric maybe you shouldn't use it in the year 2011. You can also remain faithful without including EVERYTHING in the original source material in order to make a game that will appeal to more than one group of people. Besides, there have been enough games focusing on the heterosexual male as the only hero, we should branch out and do new things with the heroes and heroines of games. At least that is what I believe. 

[Addai]

The no-schlong thing is no doubt thanks to the US censors. You can't have everything. Of course the people already complaining about nudity would have aneurysms. I had people complaining on YouTube about my DA videos even though everyone has unders on- someone reported one and got it age restricted.

I really hope you aren't suggesting this is evidence of sexism.  The idea that men would object so they left it out is silly.  Men watch porn, right?

Modifié par Addai67, 05 février 2013 - 05:25 .

[obsessedwjpn]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Go watch the sex scene. You see Geralt's ass, chest and limbs (no dong). You see Triss's ass, chest and limbs (no vag). Why must we include schlongs when equal showings of both the male and female bodies is already present in the game?

If I remember correctly, you see Triss' vagina in the very first scene when she is in bed with Geralt in the tent. Of course you don't see the inside of it but you do see it there, clearly, between her legs. Plus, why not have the male genitalia present in the game? Everyone is saying how adult this game is. If it is simple because someone is uncomfortable having that in a game well I find women displaying their breasts uncomfortable as well because that is not something I, as a woman, want in my face during a game. 

I am not saying that they should not make games like the Witcher series but I do want people to stop pointing out how Dragon Age could learn from the Witcher. Dragon Age is fine the way it is in my opinion and for those of us who are not in the majority of gamers, although female gamers are growing to a point where I feel that heterosexual male hero focused games should become a little less prominent hopefully, it is comforting to see a company who tries to accomodate those who are usually not allowed to tell a story of their own.

Modifié par obsessedwjpn, 05 février 2013 - 05:18 .

[Addai]

obsessedwjpn wrote...
I am not saying that they should not make games like the Witcher series but I do want people to stop pointing out how Dragon Age could learn from the Witcher. Dragon Age is fine the way it is in my opinion and for those of us who are not in the majority of gamers, although female gamers are growing to a point where I feel that heterosexual male hero focused games should become a little less prominent hopefully, it is comforting to see a company who tries to accomodate those who are usually not allowed to tell a story of their own.

I don't need to play a female PC for a game to be for me.  Fantastic storytelling and an interesting world- what else do I need?  CDPR emphasizes male players in the marketing.  The games are for anyone.  If it's not for you, that's one thing, but this idea that women need pink flowers on the box makes me irate.  Chances are something marketed to women is going to be goofy and ham-handed, so I'd rather they not bother.

[obsessedwjpn]

Addai, I am not saying that the female characters in advertising need pink flowers on the box. I never said that anywhere. And I am sorry to say but I like to play as a female to represent my own self when possible. Have I played as male heroes before? Sure, and I intend to play Dead Space 3 as Isaac Clarke but I do not like it when I am forced to play a man who is having sex to just have sex. As a woman I like to see a bit more tact involved with sex rather than just, IT'S FUN SO HAVE SEX A LOT! That is something for immature teenage boys to play, not adults - and everyone seems to be saying how mature this game is.

Plus, as a female gamer, when I am playing as a male hero I do not want to see all the strong female characters in the game basically become choices for who the male hero can sleep with. I would like some strong female characters in the game, along with my male hero, who aren't there to attend to the hero's pleasures. Aveline in Dragon Age 2 made me very happy for this reason.

Modifié par obsessedwjpn, 05 février 2013 - 05:38 .

[AlanC9]

How come we're spending so much time on the sex thing? It's not like Bio'd ever handle that like CDPR anyway.

[obsessedwjpn]

Well thank you simfam for explaining things a bit better and recognizing that the advertising for the Witcher games can lead to certain conclusions. I understand why The Witcher 2, especially, is seen as a well-done game and I did like the art style direction and the animations within towns. I just wanted to make sure that no one feels like DA has to BECOME The Witcher. Both have their good and bad points and there is a lot I love about DA.

Thank you to everyone who commented on my posts. I can be a bit too serious at times and stubborn so thanks for allowing me to have this nice discussion with you all!