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[Addai]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

Addai, I am not saying that the female characters in advertising need pink flowers on the box. I never said that anywhere. And I am sorry to say but I like to play as a female to represent my own self when possible. Have I played as male heroes before? Sure, and I intend to play Dead Space 3 as Isaac Clarke but I do not like it when I am forced to play a man who is having sex to just have sex. As a woman I like to see a bit more tact involved with sex rather than just, IT'S FUN SO HAVE SEX A LOT! That is something for immature teenage boys to play, not adults - and everyone seems to be saying how mature this game is.

Plus, as a female gamer, when I am playing as a male hero I do not want to see all the strong female characters in the game basically become choices for who the male hero can sleep with. I would like some strong female characters in the game, along with my male hero, who aren't there to attend to the hero's pleasures. Aveline in Dragon Age 2 made me very happy for this reason.

There are very few instances where you're railroaded into sex scenes.  I think people forget the cards are optional.  I roleplayed Geralt and he was very tame and stayed faithful to Triss.

Did you play the games?  The sorceresses are powerful women, and Saskia (while I hate her armor model) is a good character, a revolutionary war leader.

Again, if it's not for you, that's one thing.  But this idea that these are men's games and women need not apply is silliness.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 février 2013 - 07:54 .

[Allan Schumacher]

There are very few instances where you're railroaded into sex scenes.

And that's acceptable? I really did not like Triss' actions after Geralt was wounded at the tower. It actually made me feel uncomfortable and not in that good way.

I think people forget the cards are optional.

Their mere existence is a blight on the the game as far as I'm concerned. I loathe what they represent. If there's one thing I have learned from the Witcher, is to not appeal to a gamer's compulsion by hiding content, however trivial, behind a dehumanizing and objectification of women.

Did you play the games? The sorceresses are powerful women, and Saskia (while I hate her armor model) is a good character, a revolutionary war leader.

The Witcher 2 is so many light years improved over the first game in their presentation of women the scale cannot be measured.

Again, if it's not for you, that's one thing. But this idea that these are men's games and women need not apply is silliness.

Gaming in general has had serious issues with how women are depicted. There have been improvements in some regards, but the first Witcher game was definitely geared towards a particular demographic. The second one less so.

[Addai]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

There are very few instances where you're railroaded into sex scenes.

And that's acceptable? I really did not like Triss' actions after Geralt was wounded at the tower. It actually made me feel uncomfortable and not in that good way.

Geralt is a set character and he has a long established relationship with Triss.  That's the one instance where it does make sense.

Their mere existence is a blight on the the game as far as I'm concerned. I loathe what they represent. If there's one thing I have learned from the Witcher, is to not appeal to a gamer's compulsion by hiding content, however trivial, behind a dehumanizing and objectification of women.

Oh good grief.  Some of them are.... of questionable taste, but some of them are actually quite nice, artistically.  It's an inexpensive way to skip an animation.  They're kind of silly, and I took them in good humor, which I think is how they're meant to be taken.

The Witcher 2 is so many light years improved over the first game in their presentation of women the scale cannot be measured.

The sorceresses are not center stage in TW1, but they're there, and Abigail and Shani also are independent women who have their own lives and agendas.

I don't see this huge gap between TW1 and 2.  There is also an issue of people being way too sensitive.

[Uccio]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Go watch the sex scene. You see Geralt's ass, chest and limbs (no dong). You see Triss's ass, chest and limbs (no vag). Why must we include schlongs when equal showings of both the male and female bodies is already present in the game?

If I remember correctly, you see Triss' vagina in the very first scene when she is in bed with Geralt in the tent. Of course you don't see the inside of it but you do see it there, clearly, between her legs. Plus, why not have the male genitalia present in the game? Everyone is saying how adult this game is. If it is simple because someone is uncomfortable having that in a game well I find women displaying their breasts uncomfortable as well because that is not something I, as a woman, want in my face

That would be pubes, not vagina, and you see only portion of it. There is no spread eagle in the game. And you are missing the point of game being adult.

[Roflbox]

Xilizhra wrote...
Personally, I'd rather say what CDProjkect could learn from Dragon Age, such as "let us make our own characters" and "there are perspectives that exist aside from the straight male one."

Cyberpunk 2077 will have character customization.

Addai67 wrote...
Oh good grief.  Some of them are.... of questionable taste, but some of them are actually quite nice, artistically.  It's an inexpensive way to skip an animation.  They're kind of silly, and I took them in good humor, which I think is how they're meant to be taken.

I think we also need to understand CDProjekt's point of view also. They clearly aren't as anal about it like others are and they used the cards because they couldn't afford to make actual animated scenes at the time. 

"Back home [in Poland], though, it’s just a normal part of life. So with the famous – or infamous, you could say – sex cards, European journalists were like “Oh, cool.” And then we showed Witcher 1 to people in the US, and they were like [gasps in an impressively high pitch]. A lot of the key magazines treated the whole thing as a big feature, and they were writing how our programmer was excited about the sex cards in the game."

Modifié par Roflbox, 05 février 2013 - 08:32 .

[Mantaal]

Roflbox wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Personally, I'd rather say what CDProjkect could learn from Dragon Age, such as "let us make our own characters" and "there are perspectives that exist aside from the straight male one."

Cyberpunk 2077 will have character customization.

Addai67 wrote...
Oh good grief.  Some of them are.... of questionable taste, but some of them are actually quite nice, artistically.  It's an inexpensive way to skip an animation.  They're kind of silly, and I took them in good humor, which I think is how they're meant to be taken.

I think we also need to understand CDProjekt's point of view also. They clearly aren't as anal about it like others are and they used the cards because they couldn't afford to make actual animated scenes at the time. 

"Back home [in Poland], though, it’s just a normal part of life. So with the famous – or infamous, you could say – sex cards, European journalists were like “Oh, cool.” And then we showed Witcher 1 to people in the US, and they were like [gasps in an impressively high pitch]. A lot of the key magazines treated the whole thing as a big feature, and they were writing how our programmer was excited about the sex cards in the game."

Hehe the US guys.. i had alot US friends when i was working for the military some years ago. I can remember thier faces when they visit me at home to play some Pen&Paper Vampire and the TV Was running. It was so funny to see thier reaction about the Telephone sex comercial in TV. I was so used to this i did just ignore it and the US guys just stoped talking and sit there with an open mouth... 

You can see bloodshed all day long in US TV but one naked breast is a armageddon.
In Europe you see naked breasts all day long but more then one drop of blood is forbidden. 
Our world is kinda strange isnt it? 

[wickedwizzard01]

really, Nothing DA was a much better game with a much better story
tho i haven played the first witcher only the Witcher2 IMO while it was fun , it's not that good as many people want you to believe
sure it has nudity, BIG DEAL but i not a requirement for a great story and inmy opinion
TW2 is just overrated not a bad game but just doesn't deserves the credit it gets
it looks Great but looks alone can't save it from the many inconsistensies there are
with the backstory of some characters to how they act like Ves and Phillipa are the most hurtting imo

and the sex in TW2 feels to me its just there to sell the game nothing more
example : Gerald beats a few guys in a arena fight and character X , then after the fight character X says :lets have sex (this is in a nutshell) it feels sooooo friggin out of character for X it ruined the character for me who had an really interesting backstory that gets completely ignored and thrown out of the window

hope BW isn't going to pull of something like this EVER
as IMO BW still Writes the best Storys ( sure the messed up with DA2 and the last 15 min ME3 but i think they have learned to not rush it out again)

BW's Story's are like a good wine, they need time to devellop and if not done so you get DA2
Yup, i still trust BW to bring another great game with DA3 and ME4

if not i guess i will be done with them

[obsessedwjpn]

I just want to clarify that I have nothing against women playing games with male main characters. I am a woman and I play plenty of those types of games. I just do not see why a female player would be interested in the Witcher 2 really but I understand that there are women who like it so that is fine, I just personally cannot relate.

Also, yes I understand that only Triss' pubes were shown, what I should have said is, why are the women always shown with their clothes off while Geralt, save for a few seconds during the actual sex scenes, is always shown with at least pants on in bed?

And I understand what an adult game is, I simply think that the adult aspect should be proportional to both genders. And to those people who feel I am bringing up the sex aspect so much, I am talking about it because several people have commented that DA is odd for having romance and sexual interludes but with the lingerie still on whereas Witcher somehow does it right. I do not think Witcher necessarily does it the right way for a mature game for all audiences.

I personally do not like the Witcher series and believe that DA is fine without taking cue from the Witcher.

Modifié par obsessedwjpn, 05 février 2013 - 09:38 .

[Zered]

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

Modifié par michalooo, 05 février 2013 - 09:38 .

[obsessedwjpn]

Geralt is back and he has a BEARD! Finally my sterile potion making monster will be bearded! Possibly this time with the ability to bang bar wenches….on next gen consoles! - from the link above provided by michalooo.

I think this just sold my point on why I cannot believe female gamers could ever like these games. The idea of being able to bang someone is the first thought this man had when thinking of the Witcher 3. -sighs and facepalms- Let's just hope the marketing for the third game isn't so awful.

[Gibb_Shepard]

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

Nah. Inquisition will be coming out this year, while the Wild Hunt will be coming out in 2014.

[Zered]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

Nah. Inquisition will be coming out this year, while the Wild Hunt will be coming out in 2014.

If DA3 won't be pushed back

Still im pretty sure these will be the biggest rpg made that will be comming out at a short timeframe and they will be compared. Both are aiming for the free world exploration thing which is great. I do hope that competition will make both Bioware and CD Projekt to put even more effort into their games.

[Addai]

obsessedwjpn wrote...
And I understand what an adult game is, I simply think that the adult aspect should be proportional to both genders. And to those people who feel I am bringing up the sex aspect so much, I am talking about it because several people have commented that DA is odd for having romance and sexual interludes but with the lingerie still on whereas Witcher somehow does it right. I do not think Witcher necessarily does it the right way for a mature game for all audiences.

I personally do not like the Witcher series and believe that DA is fine without taking cue from the Witcher.

Maybe you're not in the US but this is a double standard that's fairly common in our media, at least for sexual situations.  There's even a special classification for male frontal nudity.  I don't know if that's why they put Geralt in granny pants but I suspect that's the reason.

I think this just sold my point on why I cannot believe female gamers could ever like these games. The idea of being able to bang someone is the first thought this man had when thinking of the Witcher 3. -sighs and facepalms- Let's just hope the marketing for the third game isn't so awful.

I'm sorry but do you live in a bubble?  Who was out front as the female face of DA2?  Corset and thong.  And since the new game leaks say that there will be fewer casual sexual encounters in TW3 than the other games, you're now blaming CDPR for every juvenile on the internet.

Just don't generalize about female gamers.  That's a good all-around rule.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 février 2013 - 09:51 .

[billy the squid]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

really, Nothing DA was a much better game with a much better story
tho i haven played the first witcher only the Witcher2 IMO while it was fun , it's not that good as many people want you to believe
sure it has nudity, BIG DEAL but i not a requirement for a great story and inmy opinion
TW2 is just overrated not a bad game but just doesn't deserves the credit it gets
it looks Great but looks alone can't save it from the many inconsistensies there are
with the backstory of some characters to how they act like Ves and Phillipa are the most hurtting imo

and the sex in TW2 feels to me its just there to sell the game nothing more
example : Gerald beats a few guys in a arena fight and character X , then after the fight character X says :lets have sex (this is in a nutshell) it feels sooooo friggin out of character for X it ruined the character for me who had an really interesting backstory that gets completely ignored and thrown out of the window

hope BW isn't going to pull of something like this EVER
as IMO BW still Writes the best Storys ( sure the messed up with DA2 and the last 15 min ME3 but i think they have learned to not rush it out again)

BW's Story's are like a good wine, they need time to devellop and if not done so you get DA2
Yup, i still trust BW to bring another great game with DA3 and ME4

if not i guess i will be done with them

So the storyline of the Witcher 2 is Geralt bangs Ves? Wow, I must have missed that stunning revelation while I was reading the works of Machiavelli, oh that's right I wasn't, I was reading the journal back stories of the political backstabbing in the North.

I think people make a big deal of the nudity, many of us who praise the Witcher 2 must think "what, who, when... there's nudity?" It really doesn't factor into our enjoyment of the Witcher, if you think nudity and sex scenes are what sets the Witcher aside, you're sorely mistaken.

As to Ves, she's a side character, more a mouth piece to learn more about the Blue stripes, but also Roache and a window into the opinions of a common woman and how the patriarchal world views the women. Yet, how she's not just a woman, she's a soldier. Considering you may not see her at all after Act 1 I think it's a vast over expectation and disingenuous to expect the level of interaction that DA companions have, that's not the main focus of the Witcher anyway. If you were complaining about sex scenes, why did you undertake one? 

And Bioware stories, fine wine? Please. They have carried out the same dichotomy of Good vs Bad every single game, it's getting tired. When it was well executed it got away with it. with DA2, that's what happens when it goes wrong, it becomes comical. Now had there been the focus on the Mage vs Templar conflict throughout, then fine, it might have worked and been given the time it needed. But it was crammed into the final third of the game and the major characters went nuts. What was the drive? "The champion of Kirkwall supports my cause, oh look I'm going to turn into a Harvester anyway" >.< facepalm. 

If Bioware can get away from that cringe worthy predecessor. And not hammer out another save the world from the big bad/ standard evil vs good then it has something to hold my attention again.

Modifié par billy the squid, 05 février 2013 - 11:45 .

[TEWR]

All hail Tywin Lannister! He speaks truly! He really hated how he wasted his gold on DAII!

Raise the rock, Lord Tywin. Bioware must paaaaayyy. 

Seriously though, from what I do know/what I've seen of TW2 it's by and large superior to anything Bioware's done. I'd consider it equal to Game of Thrones, possibly. Maybe just a notch below it.

I think we also need to understand CDProjekt's point of view also. They clearly aren't as anal about it like others are.

Now that's the proper attitude towards nudity in any form of media.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 février 2013 - 10:54 .

[Gnoster]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

Geralt is back and he has a BEARD! Finally my sterile potion making monster will be bearded! Possibly this time with the ability to bang bar wenches….on next gen consoles! - from the link above provided by michalooo.

I think this just sold my point on why I cannot believe female gamers could ever like these games. The idea of being able to bang someone is the first thought this man had when thinking of the Witcher 3. -sighs and facepalms- Let's just hope the marketing for the third game isn't so awful.

I have to agree with this point. That the in-game sex is the first thing the author and many others think about when thinking about the Witcher is really a shame. The game has so much more and the sex is only a small part of it to offer a more personal feel of character relationships.

Personally I am fine with more adult sex scenes like the Witcher, just as I am fine with the way Bioware is doing them now in both ME and DA series. Honestly if I get exited by pixels doing the nasty I have a more serious problem. I would even be fine if DA didn't have any sex scenes in it, just fade to black, the important stuff is emotions before and after (yes, I know I don't sound like the male I am right now )

[Mantaal]

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

Most important thing here "We want to be idependent and dont want to have someone tells us how the game should be like, exept the fans" 

This is why other games in future will leave bioware behind more and more. They have EA in thier necks. They know how to riun any game very well.

Just look at the quality of Bioware Games pre EA and now. They seem to be only a Pupped named Bioware on the stings in EAs hands. 
I kinda respekt Bioware for still making "ok" games even with EA..(ME 3 was kinda cool even with the messed up end)but if you compare them to the pre EA games they are crap.  

[Sutekh]

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

I really wish people would stop thinking that way and constantly put games against each others as though they were fighting in some sort of bizarre arena.

((This said, bearded Geralt looks yummy good, but I wonder how open world will translate in terms of plot and storytelling quality. If they can pull this off, I'll be really impressed.))

[Shevy]

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

Thanks for the share. A lot of neat information, but as always, you have to take it with a grain of salt. At least until we see actual ingame footage. But I think they can realise many of the listed tasks and that monster hunt part sounds really amazing.

It's going to be a strong competitor for DA III.

[CrazyRah]

Roflbox wrote...


I think we also need to understand CDProjekt's point of view also. They clearly aren't as anal about it like others are and they used the cards because they couldn't afford to make actual animated scenes at the time. 

"Back home [in Poland], though, it’s just a normal part of life. So with the famous – or infamous, you could say – sex cards, European journalists were like “Oh, cool.” And then we showed Witcher 1 to people in the US, and they were like [gasps in an impressively high pitch]. A lot of the key magazines treated the whole thing as a big feature, and they were writing how our programmer was excited about the sex cards in the game."

Oh yes! As a European nudity isn't a big deal at all. But apparently it is in the US. It seems that it has to do with culture. 

[Gnoster]

Shevy_001 wrote...

It's going to be a strong competitor for DA III.

Meh, the gameinformer link at the bottom says 2014 release with possible extention to 2015, so I wouldn't say it will be a DA:I competitor as much as we might think ...provided the DA:I release in 2013 will hold ofcourse

Regarding the open world stuff, CDPR said it will be openworld but only to the extend of what can be allowed within a storyline framed by time. So some areas will be closed of becuse the story time doesn't allow access

[Chipaway111]

I think by this stage me getting at offended at video games is just a waste of time. Let them do what they want I seriously doubt it's going to sway a generation or start a cult following over its themes and portrayal of whatever aspect society feels like getting angry about.

Also: to be relevant, I haven't played either Witcher games but from what I've heard they're complex. I will tackle them eventually, but too much work right now. 

Modifié par Chipaway111, 05 février 2013 - 11:55 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

Another Witcher game? Oh joy, I didn't get enough advertising when someone was mentioning it literally every other post during DA2's development.

[Zered]

Sutekh wrote...

michalooo wrote...

http://www.puresophi...ng-in-next-gen/

Hang on to your seats people. It looks the Inquisition is going to have some serious competition...

I really wish people would stop thinking that way and constantly put games against each others as though they were fighting in some sort of bizarre arena.

Competition is good for them. They should try harder to make the games better then their market rivals no?

[fchopin]

Apparently TW has nothing for the DA games as all people can see are ****** and nudity.

All i can say is i must have played a different game.