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[karushna5]

I actually didn't like Witcher 2 some of the plots were a bit...disturbing. And Geralt rubbed me wrong. I never could finish it. It just couldn't get our interest. Both it and Fallout have been games we are trying to enjoy, although Fallout mostly we quit because it is very buggy.

I know they are good games but I just dont like games without more input on the characters.

[Robhuzz]

chuckles471 wrote...

Damn, this has made me just want to play the witcher 2 again. I only completed it when it came out on pc, has anything new been added to it.

Things they could take from the witcher?

Enviroments(this is the main one).
Choices having consequences.
Having to actually prepare for fights. People hate this, but I like being punished because I stuffed up my prep.
Monsters having weaknesses that can be found out. I actully bought the books so I could find out a monsters weakness.
The "towns" feeling alive and people going about their daily business(not standing in the same place all day like root vegetables).
Crafting and items. Don't need to say much because DA2 crafting was so rubbish, it felt like an afterthought.

This. And yes CDP has updated The Witcher 2 with the enhanced edition, adding several hours of content and quests (mainly in act 3) and providing a more lenghty outro and ending cinematic, paving the way for The Witcher 3. It also shows exactly what happens to Temeria if you don't side with Roche and lets you more clearly see the consequences of your actions.

That reminds me: That is how you do a proper enchanced edition bioware. The ME3 EC is worth less than dirt in comparison:pinched:

ETA: That's not to say bioware should just copy these elements, just take note. I find both their franchises have already lost their identity after DA2 and ME3 by having some of everything but not being outstanding in any particular way. Making for rather 'meh' experiences. I'd say: Devise a long term strategy for the entire franchise then stick with it.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 04 février 2013 - 09:37 .

[Bizantura]

Sorry, but let european games be different please. Meaning among other things a different idea about adult rating. The reason The witcher has no caracter creation is because Geralt is scripted from the books. A Harry Potter game doesnt let you play as Henrietta Potter either now does it! Most would think of it as silly even to consider it = same for witcher.

The witcher is also set in a raw period where sex, nudity blends in with the story and lore. Sex is more consensual lust then love and again fitting the lore of the series. This is not possible for a game solely made for the american market. Your tv's would have a field day with it.

So no no, leave the polish devs out of conforming to american standarts however to a degree they will because the market is sadly vast over there. I am even astonished the game is available in USA.

[karushna5]

Bizantura wrote...

Sorry, but let european games be different please. Meaning among other things a different idea about adult rating. The reason The witcher has no caracter creation is because Geralt is scripted from the books. A Harry Potter game doesnt let you play as Henrietta Potter either now does it! Most would think of it as silly even to consider it = same for witcher.

The witcher is also set in a raw period where sex, nudity blends in with the story and lore. Sex is more consensual lust then love and again fitting the lore of the series. This is not possible for a game solely made for the american market. Your tv's would have a field day with it.

So no no, leave the polish devs out of conforming to american standarts however to a degree they will because the market is sadly vast over there. I am even astonished the game is available in USA.

I don't play Harry Potter games either XD I like my own character.

I love many European games and shows, but it is how they treated it. The sex and how every female character was treated was... I feel uncomfortable with the game. You make it sound all European games and shows do this...they do not, at all, which is why I love them so. I understand others love the game...I do not. It bothers me on a deep level, which is why I don't play it.

Quoting realistic things would show a very different game actually. For one thing the women are way too stylized to be realistic. I think some things should be treated with care. They are just slapped on and called gritty and the fact people think adding those things makes something gritty bothers me. I understand others like the game, but if Bioware is taking pointers from the game,I would like if it would be not to use supposed grittiness as an excuse for some very disturbing game play.

[AshenShug4r]

The Witcher 2 has been out for years and it was not a perfect game in itself. It occupies a similar dark fantasy genre but Geralt's story and that of our Dragon Age protagonists are vastly different, not to speak of the themes explored. The only thing DA could possibly learn from TW2 was how to better implement the acts.
I think the Witcher did it better and that is perhaps something the Dragon Age team could have executed with more skill, though that's really all I can think of.
I would prefer it that each stay within their own niche in the genre.

Modifié par AshenShug4r, 04 février 2013 - 10:02 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I didn't play 2, just 1 and even though it has been mentioned several times, branching storylines.

Don't know how the console version of 2, or even the PC version of 2, is combat wise but I really disliked the combat of TW1. Not big on the whole changing stances and styles for different enemies. I get it, but I don't like it.

I really liked how what Geralt said was what was written on screen. Why DA2 copied ME and not just kept Origins system but voice it is beyond me.

Also, no MP or Co-op. Not every game needs those, especially SP RPGs.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 04 février 2013 - 10:17 .

[rolson00]

what can it learn? nothing, Dragon Age is Dragon Age why do people always what every game to be the same! I kinda think bioware are above a  mediocre franchise

Modifié par rolson00, 04 février 2013 - 10:19 .

[Thomas Andresen]

I never managed to finish either game. I can't quite describe it, but something jarred me about the plot, and how the characters were presented. The word that comes to mind is 'juvenile', but I don't think that's the right word. It might be nothing more than that the story and setting doesn't fit in with what I want, but I'd always considered myself rather open-minded. But the impression I got was that I expected some sort of undertone that was never there. I am a bit annoyed by it, to be honest, because people I have spoken to think they're both great games, and I can't seem to enjoy them in the least.

[ghost_ronin]

Megakoresh wrote...

ghost_ronin wrote...

I would rather say: what can everybody learn from Dark Souls?

Dragon Age can learn from it only how Dragon Age should never be done. Other than that it's fake difficulty and obscure storyline have no place in story-based RPGs.

Whats fake about enemy power being relatively equal to your own?

[Bizantura]

karushna5 wrote...

Bizantura wrote...

Sorry, but let european games be different please. Meaning among other things a different idea about adult rating. The reason The witcher has no caracter creation is because Geralt is scripted from the books. A Harry Potter game doesnt let you play as Henrietta Potter either now does it! Most would think of it as silly even to consider it = same for witcher.

The witcher is also set in a raw period where sex, nudity blends in with the story and lore. Sex is more consensual lust then love and again fitting the lore of the series. This is not possible for a game solely made for the american market. Your tv's would have a field day with it.

So no no, leave the polish devs out of conforming to american standarts however to a degree they will because the market is sadly vast over there. I am even astonished the game is available in USA.

I don't play Harry Potter games either XD I like my own character.


I love many European games and shows, but it is how they treated it. The sex and how every female character was treated was... I feel uncomfortable with the game. You make it sound all European games and shows do this...they do not, at all, which is why I love them so. I understand others love the game...I do not. It bothers me on a deep level, which is why I don't play it.

Quoting realistic things would show a very different game actually. For one thing the women are way too stylized to be realistic. I think some things should be treated with care. They are just slapped on and called gritty and the fact people think adding those things makes something gritty bothers me. I understand others like the game, but if Bioware is taking pointers from the game,I would like if it would be not to use supposed grittiness as an excuse for some very disturbing game play.

I agree in part, certainly Bioware should do there own thing and copy nothing from the witcher.  There are very litle adult games for adults even in europe.  But I like it to stay and the polish do it well.  There are more games without sex and particular treatment of woman so.....

A game like DA2 is supposed to be for adults, I think it is written for young teens but hey thats me.  I find the relationships so boring and infantile I wonder why they put it in for suposedly adults.

[Blooddrunk1004]

I don't mind when RPG already has established character, i have read The Witcher books to like Geralt and i also think they nailed him especially in the second game the way he looks.
Deus Ex also has established characters and they are all good.

I love how everyone uses sex cards, combat and nude scenes for excuse that game sucks.
Well guess what, sex cards are no more, both games have more depth in combat then just tapping buttons until your fingers fall off. I don't want Dragon Age to learn anything from Witcher, Skyrim or any other RPG.
They proved they can do awesome and epic game with DA:O.

The only thing i will say what this franchise needs is this: BE Dragon Age. Stop turning this franchise into "Mass Effect with swords" and stop removing / changing the stuff that isn't broken (combat, ability to talk to your companions and random NPCs, inventory, dialogue tree...)

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 04 février 2013 - 02:16 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

Witcher 2 improved on the quest design. I can't really remember any fedex quests that are just "collect X item" except the Harpy feather quest which was added later as a joke.

Coincidentally, the thing that made me put down The Witcher 2 forever was a "kill X monsters" quest.  

The parts where Geralt actually has to be a Witcher are, to me, uniformly tedious and non-interesting.

But as many have pointed out, that's hardly the whole game, just enough of it for me to lose interest.

Did you realize that no "kill x monsters" quests are mandatory? Did you really just play half of a side-quest and uninstall the game?

[thedurangokid]

The Witcher has better graphics. Day and night, stars, fields of corn and poppies, water that looks like it's about to overflow from your monitor. I get so tired in TW running up and down, even though the scenery is grand. Go to the lake. Now go to the inn, now go back to the lake.

The story line in DA is tighter. You have company, the inter-character bickering is amusing. The quests are done quickly and without getting tedious.

So, to answer the question - not a lot. It's being different that keeps games being attractive, otherwise we would just play one then go do something else.

[Uccio]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

I don't mind when RPG already has established character, i have read The Witcher books to like Geralt and i also think they nailed him especially in the second game the way he looks.
Deus Ex also has established characters and they are all good.

I love how everyone uses sex cards, combat and nude scenes for excuse that game sucks.
Well guess what, sex cards are no more, both games have more depth in combat then just tapping buttons until your fingers fall off. I don't want Dragon Age to learn anything from Witcher, Skyrim or any other RPG.
They proved they can do awesome and epic game with DA:O.

The only thing i will say what this franchise needs is this: BE Dragon Age. Stop turning this franchise into "Mass Effect with swords" and stop removing / changing the stuff that isn't broken (combat, ability to talk to your companions and random NPCs, inventory, dialogue tree...)

Yep, thats about it.

As for Geralt and sex people who have not read the books probably do not know that Geralt is a kind of tranquil since monster hunter cannot feel fear so his emotions were removed. Sex for him is one way to get closer to his practically nonexisting feelings.

Modifié par Ukki, 04 février 2013 - 03:56 .

[Alexander1136]

First of all the Witcher series is about one character, Geralt of Rivia. He was established before the games so ,no there wasn't any character creation in the game. That made for a better story telling element. You still got to play the role of Geralt and make choices for him. The best features of the witcher IMO is the combat, crafting, and alchemy systems. It's a unique system that stood out. For a game to copy it would take away from that. The Witcher is a great game, but all of the parts that made it great don't belong in a Dragon Age game.

Dragon Age is about the events unfolding in the Dragon Age. Character Creation is more open as long as a given character completes a given task in a vague way. The systems that made origins great and the redeeming qualities of two have been debated relentlessly there coming together is unique to the series. This doesn't mean that certain things can't be improved. I think the art and graphics in both are less then stellar. The movement in combat is one extreme or the other in both. Lastly light sense of humor fils the dark world with a friendly apeal that is different from any other fantasy series. You can tell people it's dark fantasy and yet if they come across a sequence involving Alistair or Varric it'll be hard to think they are the same game. if it keeps it's tone and improves on it's setbacks it'll be fine. The witcher series has done this, It kept everything good about Witcher and improved and built on it in Witcher 2.. If the series can learn anything from the witcher series it's that.

Modifié par Alexander1136, 04 février 2013 - 04:20 .

[Lenimph]

Beerfish wrote...

1) Don't force your player to be a certain persona with a certain look.
2) Don't do anything that resembles the Witchers combat.
3) Sex cards are not a great idea.

4) Continue to make respectable female characters
5) Don't force a specific LI onto the player, especially 5 minutes into the game naked. 
6) No "lesbomancy" jokes.

[Solmanian]

For me, I felt that playing Witcher 2 was indistinguishable from watching porn. The plot was like something Paul Verhoven would've made in the good old days.

If bioware want to make a success like witcher 2, all they need to do is tke any of their IP's and flood them with boobies and female crotch shots. This will gaurentee hundreds of thousands will descend on Metacritic and swear it is the best game ever.

[dragonflight288]

In order to win a fight, you have to roll around a lot?

[Dutchess]

Solmanian wrote...

For me, I felt that playing Witcher 2 was indistinguishable from watching porn. The plot was like something Paul Verhoven would've made in the good old days.

If bioware want to make a success like witcher 2, all they need to do is tke any of their IP's and flood them with boobies and female crotch shots. This will gaurentee hundreds of thousands will descend on Metacritic and swear it is the best game ever.

That is just rubbish. People are trying to make the sex scene aspect way bigger than it actually is. On my first playthrough of Witcher 2 Geralt has had sex twice. And you walk in on Philippa and her apprentice. Wow, what a porn game. Never mind that DA2 tried to do the same in Sebastian's quest (the feather! Use the feather!) but was only too cowardly to take off the underwear. 

Really, it's fine if the sex scenes turn you off, but claiming that the whole game is nothing more but boobies is slantering a game that has much more to offer and doesn't exactly increase your credibility.

[BouncyFrag]

The only thing they should learn is that you can't rush a game and expect it to be great. The Witcher came out in 2007 and the sequel in 2011 and is a terrific game top to bottom. DA2 may very well go down in history along with KOTOR2 as rushed games that suffered for it. I prefer Bioware rpgs, but it doesn't mean I can't see the qualities from another developer.

[LinksOcarina]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

I don't mind when RPG already has established character, i have read The Witcher books to like Geralt and i also think they nailed him especially in the second game the way he looks.
Deus Ex also has established characters and they are all good.

I love how everyone uses sex cards, combat and nude scenes for excuse that game sucks.
Well guess what, sex cards are no more, both games have more depth in combat then just tapping buttons until your fingers fall off. I don't want Dragon Age to learn anything from Witcher, Skyrim or any other RPG.
They proved they can do awesome and epic game with DA:O.

The only thing i will say what this franchise needs is this: BE Dragon Age. Stop turning this franchise into "Mass Effect with swords" and stop removing / changing the stuff that isn't broken (combat, ability to talk to your companions and random NPCs, inventory, dialogue tree...)

You hit the nail on the head, basically.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 04 février 2013 - 08:13 .

[Blooddrunk1004]

Solmanian wrote...

For me, I felt that playing Witcher 2 was indistinguishable from watching porn. The plot was like something Paul Verhoven would've made in the good old days.

If bioware want to make a success like witcher 2, all they need to do is tke any of their IP's and flood them with boobies and female crotch shots. This will gaurentee hundreds of thousands will descend on Metacritic and swear it is the best game ever.

Not sure if troll or just stupid.
I consider both plots in Witcher games better because they have alot more depth and they have nothing to do about "evil taking over the world" unlike every Bioware game.

Just because it has sex scenes that contain some nudity doesn't make it a bad game. If they would have used "dry humping, fade to black or sex in underwear" like they did in Mass Effect and DA (which are alot more laughable and silly then Witcher 2 scenes are) people would complain they didn't expand or improve their scenes. But now that they have actually did something better then "sex cards" by showing some nudity it's: "OMG they showed boobs, this game sucks, it's porn!

The plot is not even close to anything Paul Verhoven made. If there is anything that is similiar to his movies it's in Deus Ex: HR game because it has similiar plot beggining to Robocop. But none of his writing is even close or similiar to the witcher games or books.

Modifié par Blooddrunk1004, 04 février 2013 - 08:54 .

[Dhoozy77]

Better sex scene with real nudity. Were not children's anymore.