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[noobcannon]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

It wasn't just the ending that made ME3 a poor ending to the trilogy. It was also what they did with decisions, auto-dialogue, making ME2 completely pointless, etc.... I could go on and on.

I don't disagree with your other points, but ME2 itself created a large problem by taking the story off on (essentially) a tangent, creating way too many squadmates (thus forcing the writers to find a way to stuff them all into ME3), and introducing more than a few wacky elements (the whole dying and resurrected thing still annoys me).

ME3 definitely has issues (although I still enjoy playing most of it), but I think at least some of the issues were - if not unavoidable - brought on from ME1 and (especially) 2, and there wasn't necessarily a 'good' way to get around them.

couldnt agree with you more. mass effect 2 and 3 are two of the best games i have ever played and they are also two of the most flawed.

Modifié par noobcannon, 01 février 2013 - 09:04 .

[CronoDragoon]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

It wasn't just the ending that made ME3 a poor ending to the trilogy. It was also what they did with decisions, auto-dialogue, making ME2 completely pointless, etc.... I could go on and on.

Fair enough, but the overwhelming opinion on this board right after ME3 released was people loved it aside from the ending.

Anyway, as for the OP, the ending of a story is not the destination. The destination does not manifest until after that final period. The ending is part of the story and therefore part of the journey. If the ending sucks, then part of the journey sucks too. And a pretty important part at that.

[Dr_Extrem]

would you take a journey that ends in a hospital, because you catched a food poisoning and you know it beforehand?

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 01 février 2013 - 09:03 .

[Berg]

I understand people having problems with a game (I had some too), I don't understand the incredible level of anger, that has not mellowed over almost a year. Like people giving ME3 a score of zero on metacritic. A score of, say, 5 - I won't have a problem with. But zero, or close to zero? If those people had not played Me or Me2, and were then given Me3 to review, there is no way they would score it so low.

[cmessaz]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

would you take a journey that ends in a hospital, because you catched a food poisoning and you know it beforehand?

LOL, this is actually an excellent point. Guess it depends on just how good the food that leads to the poisoning is, and how severe the aftermath was.

[Landon7001]

for me the ending killed and undermined the franchise's perhaps most valuable quality : its replayability. Also, when its the VERY end of a trilogy with aaalll that stuff before it an dnothing coming after to play on and get over that bump in the road...the bitterness and emptiness and sense of betrayl is pretty unavoidable and pretty unforgettable and pretty unforgivable...yes, what came before it was great but its beauty was in its ability to make you want to keep reliving that greratness and getting something new out of it, a VERY valuable thing, and rare...though Im appreciative that ME at least got to conclude and end, I still have a feeling similar to when a great series gets unceremoniously canceled...no real ending and you feel as if something you love got killed...

[Berg]

cmessaz wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

would you take a journey that ends in a hospital, because you catched a food poisoning and you know it beforehand?

LOL, this is actually an excellent point. Guess it depends on just how good the food that leads to the poisoning is, and how severe the aftermath was.

No, ME3 did not put you in hospital. At most you disliked the ending, and moved onto something else.

[wright1978]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Asch Lavigne wrote...

It wasn't just the ending that made ME3 a poor ending to the trilogy. It was also what they did with decisions, auto-dialogue, making ME2 completely pointless, etc.... I could go on and on.

Fair enough, but the overwhelming opinion on this board right after ME3 released was people loved it aside from the ending.

Anyway, as for the OP, the ending of a story is not the destination. The destination does not manifest until after that final period. The ending is part of the story and therefore part of the journey. If the ending sucks, then part of the journey sucks too. And a pretty important part at that.

I would have tolerated the flaws of main part of ME3 a lot more if ending hadn't been such an atrocious mess. As it is, it is very easy to pick apart the rest of the carcass for all the other other failures that would have been masked by a properly implemented sensical fulfilling conclusion.

Modifié par wright1978, 01 février 2013 - 09:09 .

[devSin]

I judge ME3 for many things, including the ending.

I dislike ME3 for many things, especially the ending.

[The PC Patriot]

Not to mention outside of a few specific moments the journey was subpar as well. However at the end of the day both are important the journey and the destination. In my view the journey mostly sucked and the destination really really sucked.

[Abraham_uk]

oh brother wrote...

I understand people having problems with a game (I had some too), I don't understand the incredible level of anger, that has not mellowed over almost a year. Like people giving ME3 a score of zero on metacritic. A score of, say, 5 - I won't have a problem with. But zero, or close to zero? If those people had not played Me or Me2, and were then given Me3 to review, there is no way they would score it so low.

Giving Mass Effect 3 a ZERO is insulting to the gamers who have played ZERO rated games.

Games such as ET, Superman 64 and CDI Zelda and Mario, Bubsy 3D and Big Rigs Over The Road Racing.

[Red Panda]

devSin wrote...

I judge ME3 for many things, including the ending.

I dislike ME3 for many things, especially the ending.

Then why do you linger in a hostile and unhealthy enviroment?

[Landon7001]

Abraham_uk wrote...

oh brother wrote...

I understand people having problems with a game (I had some too), I don't understand the incredible level of anger, that has not mellowed over almost a year. Like people giving ME3 a score of zero on metacritic. A score of, say, 5 - I won't have a problem with. But zero, or close to zero? If those people had not played Me or Me2, and were then given Me3 to review, there is no way they would score it so low.

Giving Mass Effect 3 a ZERO is insulting to the gamers who have played ZERO rated games.

Games such as ET, Superman 64 and CDI Zelda and Mario, Bubsy 3D and Big Rigs Over The Road Racing.

WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?????????????????.....It was a MONUMENTAL **** over and lie campaign of a beloved series that also  connected with people via its characters and universe on a pretty intimate and emotional level....me 3 was to be the fulfilling conclusion of a all-time epic series and the culmination of a franchise based utterly on player choice and replayability.....and it was and had NONE OF THAT....NoooooW DO YOU GET IT?????

[EagleScoutDJB]

You're right it should be about more then just the ending, but that's face it ME3 had more problems then just the ending. The journal was so broken that you couldn't even track where you were in a quest, most if not all of the side quests were fetch quests that you got by running around listening in on people's conversations and the game leaned way to much towards being a shooter. None of those things along were enough to make me dislike the game, I even like shooters it's just not what I'm looking for when I buy a Bioware game, but when you add them to the disappointment a lot of us felt over the ending ME3 suddenly feels like a really bad game. It makes me sad to think of a Bioware game as bad but I'd be lying if I said I consider ME3 a good game.

[wright1978]

I find it very hard to score ME3. It had two games i loved riding on its back and it went over the cliff like a lemming. Emotionally I would jump towards an extremely low figure, whereas if looked at scientifically it wouldn't get a high score but not a rock bottom one either.

[Reorte]

Landon7001 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

oh brother wrote...

I understand people having problems with a game (I had some too), I don't understand the incredible level of anger, that has not mellowed over almost a year. Like people giving ME3 a score of zero on metacritic. A score of, say, 5 - I won't have a problem with. But zero, or close to zero? If those people had not played Me or Me2, and were then given Me3 to review, there is no way they would score it so low.

Giving Mass Effect 3 a ZERO is insulting to the gamers who have played ZERO rated games.

Games such as ET, Superman 64 and CDI Zelda and Mario, Bubsy 3D and Big Rigs Over The Road Racing.

WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?????????????????.....It was a MONUMENTAL **** over and lie campaign of a beloved series that also  connected with people via its characters and universe on a pretty intimate and emotional level....me 3 was to be the fulfilling conclusion of a all-time epic series and the culmination of a franchise based utterly on player choice and replayability.....and it was and had NONE OF THAT....NoooooW DO YOU GET IT?????

But it still wasn't complete and utter crap and it had a few decent moments. It's failure was because of where it had come from. Something that truly deserves a zero would be so crap from the moment it started that you'd never get engaged enough to be bothered by how bad it is. In many ways being completely and utterly awful right from the off is better; at least it doesn't build you up only to dissapoint you.

[WhiteKnyght]

Mr.Antihero wrote...

 "People forget it's not the ending that matters, it's the journey that brought you to the end that counts. The Mass Effect trilogy is one of the best sagas of all time."

"The reason why Mass Effect was the best trilogy was because after playing Mass Effect 1 and 2 your heart was so attached to the game, but to have such an emotional ending with the best soundtracks every made the ending very dramatic. The series felt like it was ripped from your heart, to have nothing left to continue."

They even said that in Dragon Age Origins. When Alistair tells the Warden about the Calling.

Alistair said that he was upset when he learned, but Duncan told him "it's not how you die, but how you live that matters."

Shepard doesn't really die in control. Shepard can live through destroy(unless you play like a ******.) And when Shepard dies in synthesis, he/she does it for the benefit of everyone else(even if some people disagree with it.)

[Landon7001]

Reorte wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

Abraham_uk wrote...

oh brother wrote...

I understand people having problems with a game (I had some too), I don't understand the incredible level of anger, that has not mellowed over almost a year. Like people giving ME3 a score of zero on metacritic. A score of, say, 5 - I won't have a problem with. But zero, or close to zero? If those people had not played Me or Me2, and were then given Me3 to review, there is no way they would score it so low.

Giving Mass Effect 3 a ZERO is insulting to the gamers who have played ZERO rated games.

Games such as ET, Superman 64 and CDI Zelda and Mario, Bubsy 3D and Big Rigs Over The Road Racing.

WHAT IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?????????????????.....It was a MONUMENTAL **** over and lie campaign of a beloved series that also  connected with people via its characters and universe on a pretty intimate and emotional level....me 3 was to be the fulfilling conclusion of a all-time epic series and the culmination of a franchise based utterly on player choice and replayability.....and it was and had NONE OF THAT....NoooooW DO YOU GET IT?????

But it still wasn't complete and utter crap and it had a few decent moments. It's failure was because of where it had come from. Something that truly deserves a zero would be so crap from the moment it started that you'd never get engaged enough to be bothered by how bad it is. In many ways being completely and utterly awful right from the off is better; at least it doesn't build you up only to dissapoint you.

I give you that, it wasnt complete crap. Something that was complete crap couldnt have sparked this much deep anger to begin with though, and thats the point. And so when some people act like they dont understand the rage it really baffles me...

[cyrexwingblade]

The 'does the ending have to be great for a story to be great' thesis is pretty much constantly debated. I'm decidedly on one side, since if the ending sucks, even if the journey was great, I tend to get really angry, and lose desire to repeat the journey. I need both pieces to be satisfying for the whole to work for me. If one is great and one is awful, I'm just left aggravated.

[Hurbster]

I'm sure the furore would have been less if Bioware had not outright lied about the ending choices and it 'not being an A B C type of ending'.

Personally I found it a terrible way to end the trilogy.

[shodiswe]

I liked ME3, but I wish the end game had been slightly more worthy of the overall gaming experience.

[Red Panda]

The ending was pretty good. It could be touched up, but it can stand on its own. It's a real choice.