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[Gaelem]

Indoctrination, puzzle theory, non-crucible conventional war option all make more sense to me.

I replayed it, cause I like torturing myself. I disliked the lack of conversation wheels with many of the characters.

The ending feels fake, dream like. Doesn't fit the game I played.

But if they had a "conventional" hero ending. I don't mind dying if the game ended with all my hard work intact. I'd die to keep the universe the way I left it. I'd sacrifice Earth for it. To allow all other life to live without Reapers.

I still feel that I should have been able to pick 2 more crew to rush the beam, I'd still like it better if I could drive a Mako into it, or a Hammer Head.
Joker is a jerk for not flying up to pick me up, but he'd risk flying upto Harbinger? Really? No red beam of death in that moment?

I don't know I really feel let down. I don't understand the universe of ME anymore. How they bring the three or four endings together I don't know. Canon endings are BS to me, means the others don't matter and that was never ME to me. The could have tied universe up in a nice bow like at the end of the last two and told me he and Garrus met for that drink in Rio with Jacob and Kasumi buying. Tali with her induction port fruity drinks. Ash esposing poetry over some whisky, with Liara realizing she likes martini's. I know it would have been "simple" or just like the other games, but it's really not.

The Witcher delivers on that divergant plot and brings it back together. ME I felt could have done the same but for whatever reason didn't. I used to feel that Bioware could do no wrong. ME 1, Dragon Age Origins, Baldurs Gate 1 and 2, Neverwinter and the expansions, Jade Empire, the first two Star Wars games. I think that list ended or at least Bioware needs to prove me wrong before I pre-order anything else. Commiting hundreds of hours of my life, and dollars from my life for this. I don't put up with it from friends or family being let down this way. It's ME2 that made start feeling that way, then DA2 felt it some more (talkitive man's dialog smacks me in the face everytime) and now ME3.
To be fair ME3, ME2 and DA2 still had moments of pure emotion that I loved but I could see the veil dropping on things I didn't like. Sitting with Tali on Rannoc, Mordin's sacrifice, Legion becoming an individual, Liara grabbing my arm and resting her head on my shoulder, the charge through the Collector base was the best climax game segment of all time. Jack growing up. I'll end my rant and unchecked spelling/grammer here.

[spirosz]

Then move on to something that will give you positivity and don't force yourself to enjoy if you really can't, I know I've tried to enjoy the game as a whole, but I can't even get passed Mars anymore. I know I don't like the idea that my favourite series got turned into this, but hey, there are many, many amazing games that have come out since and still being developed by passionate individuals.

[JesseLee202]

Still at stage 2 eh? Good luck with stage 4.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Conventional war victory makes more sense to you? *Facepalm* Go pick Refuse and see how that works out.

[GreyLycanTrope]

you're a bit late.

[Dubozz]

I agree with OP exept for conventional victory. I Still don't understand how someone could come up with ending like this. Every other possible ending could be better. Even the one where Reapers say "Sorry, wrong galaxy" and fly away.

Modifié par Dubozz, 02 février 2013 - 12:53 .

[Clayless]

But if they had a "conventional" hero ending. I don't mind dying if the game ended with all my hard work intact. I'd die to keep the universe the way I left it. I'd sacrifice Earth for it. To allow all other life to live without Reapers.

Just pick Control then.

[Aaleel]

Conventional victory would have made less sense than the original, let alone the EC.  And the IT has plot holes and unanswered questions as well.  I haven't read enough on the puzzle theory to speak on it.

I'm past the whole ending though. My goal was to destroy the reapers and I did it. Wasn't all bunnies and rainbows, there were sacrifices. At this point it's good enough.

No use dwelling on things you can't change.

Modifié par Aaleel, 02 février 2013 - 01:00 .

[darkway1]

Yep,no matter how the ending is spun/pitched/explained........it's terrible,a giant screw up,everyone knows it,not everyone is prepared to except it.

[Maxster_]

darkway1 wrote...

Yep,no matter how the ending is spun/pitched/explained........it's terrible,a giant screw up,everyone knows it,not everyone is prepared to except it.

Just ending?
ME3 is a retarded clowns show, which retcons and destroys everything that was good about ME universe.

[MacroSpamMK]

OP, how would you have ended ME3?

[RZIBARA]

MEHEM

[TurianRebel212]

They're bad but it's time to accept them and appreciate how awesome the rest of the game is and series as a whole. Or move on. 99.5 percent of the ME series was awesome and right up there with scfi creations like BSG and Starwars is terms of quality and imagination, It's still awesome. And always will be. The endings are what they are. Accept them or move on. Probably both would be best.

Modifié par TurianRebel212, 02 février 2013 - 03:02 .

[ohaithere]

Personally I wish that the destroy option would've depended on whether or not you had legion's loyalty/if you made peace with the geth and quarians. With that in mind I would've liked to have a post crucible experience (building tali a house, drinking with the squad/chakwas, seeing jacobs baby, maybe a wrex+eve marriage where a mordin statue gets unveiled, etc.) I don't understand why "happy ending" is thrown around so often - shepard living doesn't make it happy. Billions still died and planets were ravaged. I didn't want the game to be over after starchild, and frankly I don't understand why it was over. I made that alliance, and proved the damn kid wrong.

[TurianRebel212]

ohaithere wrote...

Personally I wish that the destroy option would've depended on whether or not you had legion's loyalty/if you made peace with the geth and quarians. With that in mind I would've liked to have a post crucible experience (building tali a house, drinking with the squad/chakwas, seeing jacobs baby, maybe a wrex+eve marriage where a mordin statue gets unveiled, etc.) I don't understand why "happy ending" is thrown around so often - shepard living doesn't make it happy. Billions still died and planets were ravaged. I didn't want the game to be over after starchild, and frankly I don't understand why it was over. I made that alliance, and proved the damn kid wrong.

'Artistic Integrity'. 

Nuff said. Now go like BioWare's art. Like it, damn you. Like it. 

[celestialfury]

I still hate the ending, but still love Bioware and the ME series as a whole. Hell, ME3 would probably be everyone's favorite ME game if it had a satisfying ending. To me, it's awesome until the final 5 minutes of wtf.

[ohaithere]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

'Artistic Integrity'. 

Nuff said. Now go like BioWare's art. Like it, damn you. Like it. 

I love every minute until starchild. ME is my favorite series of all time. I just don't feel like it's over, and that's indicative of that brat and the handful of minutes shown after you make your choice that kind of but don't really elaborate on what happens.

[ForThessia]

I don't even make it to the ending anymore. Whenever I try to play I end up getting bored after Rannoch.

[TurianRebel212]

ohaithere wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

'Artistic Integrity'. 

Nuff said. Now go like BioWare's art. Like it, damn you. Like it. 

I love every minute until starchild. ME is my favorite series of all time. I just don't feel like it's over, and that's indicative of that brat and the handful of minutes shown after you make your choice that kind of but don't really elaborate on what happens.

Yep, it is an awful design and narrative choice. But it is what it is. And it's over and finished. I have my own interpretation of the ending 'choices'. And that's not going to change. As you said, ME3 was an awesome game until the last 5 minutes. I wish it ended with Anderson and Shep on citadel. The cruicible being fired. And then the squad putting their plaques on the Normandy. Would have been better. But meh.... It's done. 

[ohaithere]

I just wish I could've done the things I mentioned above. It doesn't feel done for me, and probably never will. It's done in BW's eyes.

[sr2josh]

A traditional, conventional victory where the cycle's races just throw all of their military might without any unconventional tactics or strategy at the Reapers does not indeed make sense.  However, copying the endings from Deus Ex(an amazing game in it's own right) is utterly lazy and stupid.  For some reason, BW thought nobody would notice this or care. 

Modifié par Makai81, 02 février 2013 - 03:47 .

[ohaithere]

I don't mean conventional, I mean a destroy ending where the starchild has to acknowledge you made that alliance, had a synthetic squad member, and have had an AI helping you throughout the majority of your journey. The other cycles who added to the crucible didn't have the intention to destroy all synthetics, only the reapers. So why does it target without discrimination? I don't know. He even admits he's flawed.

[The RPGenius]

Ditto.

[WhiteKnyght]

Gaelem wrote...

Indoctrination, puzzle theory, non-crucible conventional war option all make more sense to me.

I replayed it, cause I like torturing myself. I disliked the lack of conversation wheels with many of the characters.

The ending feels fake, dream like. Doesn't fit the game I played.

But if they had a "conventional" hero ending. I don't mind dying if the game ended with all my hard work intact. I'd die to keep the universe the way I left it. I'd sacrifice Earth for it. To allow all other life to live without Reapers.

I still feel that I should have been able to pick 2 more crew to rush the beam, I'd still like it better if I could drive a Mako into it, or a Hammer Head.
Joker is a jerk for not flying up to pick me up, but he'd risk flying upto Harbinger? Really? No red beam of death in that moment?

I don't know I really feel let down. I don't understand the universe of ME anymore. How they bring the three or four endings together I don't know. Canon endings are BS to me, means the others don't matter and that was never ME to me. The could have tied universe up in a nice bow like at the end of the last two and told me he and Garrus met for that drink in Rio with Jacob and Kasumi buying. Tali with her induction port fruity drinks. Ash esposing poetry over some whisky, with Liara realizing she likes martini's. I know it would have been "simple" or just like the other games, but it's really not.

The Witcher delivers on that divergant plot and brings it back together. ME I felt could have done the same but for whatever reason didn't. I used to feel that Bioware could do no wrong. ME 1, Dragon Age Origins, Baldurs Gate 1 and 2, Neverwinter and the expansions, Jade Empire, the first two Star Wars games. I think that list ended or at least Bioware needs to prove me wrong before I pre-order anything else. Commiting hundreds of hours of my life, and dollars from my life for this. I don't put up with it from friends or family being let down this way. It's ME2 that made start feeling that way, then DA2 felt it some more (talkitive man's dialog smacks me in the face everytime) and now ME3.
To be fair ME3, ME2 and DA2 still had moments of pure emotion that I loved but I could see the veil dropping on things I didn't like. Sitting with Tali on Rannoc, Mordin's sacrifice, Legion becoming an individual, Liara grabbing my arm and resting her head on my shoulder, the charge through the Collector base was the best climax game segment of all time. Jack growing up. I'll end my rant and unchecked spelling/grammer here.

The battle with Sovereign was pretty idicative of the fact that winning conventional war against the Reapers was impossible.

It took the combined forces of the Citadel and Alliance fleets to bring that beast down, and that was after Shepard took its shields down.

Bioware already hand-waved a little to make it less hopeless by weakening the Reaper's shields in ME3(no longer impenetrible) and adding smaller Reapers that were actually killable.