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[Valcutio]

I've seen some rumors circulating about the pirating of DA DLC that has been released and perhaps some that hasn't. This has to stop. When a "good" PC-supportive company like Bioware goes out of their way to provide as much content for us as possible, it's a slap in the face to each and every PC gamer when you or somebody you know uses that content without paying. By purchasing the DLC, it's proof that there's a demand for it.

Piracy has a purpose and a place and it's sure as hell not to hurt "good" companies. When a certain horse armor DLC launched for 5 bucks, that was one thing. When a bad console port hits the shelves for full price and it's loaded with bugs and no mouse/keyboard support - ok, ok. But when you have a team of devs busting their behinds to continue support for a game that has helped revitalize and strengthen our gaming platform of choice and "somebody you know" decides to skip paying them for their effort - It's lame. It's beyond lame.

I'm not writing this as a fanboy of Bioware - I'm writing it as a fanboy of PC gaming. If you're going to rip off a company and brag about it - make sure it's one that deserves it. Bioware has earned our monetary support time and time again. This website's design is further proof of that - the developer interaction with the community is nothing short of amazing.

Show some respect. Cut the piracy bragging here when all it does is make you look like a tool. If you get PMed piracy links, report em.

- Valcutio

[Sloth Of Doom]

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature[/b]. Warez,
software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted
material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will
be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with
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Cause you know this will be locked.

[Abriael_CG]

While I'm a fan of ALL gaming, I know this kind of RPGs belong on PC, as much as RTSs and a few other genres. Bioware could have gone the easy route and give us ALL a watered down version of DA:O to fit consoles. It would have costed them less in development and in headaches. Instead they made a full fledged PC version that fully exploit the potential of the platform. They deserve our full support for this.

This said, they'd deserve support even if they didn't. Piracy should never be condoned. It has no purpose nor a place if not to make stupid script kiddies steal what they are not entitled to have.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 09 janvier 2010 - 08:22 .

[Tosheroon]

I laugh at the very concept of "good" companies. In the same way that I laugh at people who say that piracy has a purpose and a place. Both statements are moralistic with little basis in reality, in my own opinion of course.



As for software pirates, they exist. In the same way that burglars, shoplifters and pickpockets exist, and probably will for a long time yet. You bought your game, so just accept that some didn't and move past it. Less stress lies that way.

[Valcutio]

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature[/b]. Warez,
software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted
material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will
be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with
on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such
matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.




Cause you know this will be locked.

You don't understand the rules you just linked, do you? This is awkward...

[bjdbwea]

Maybe this can be discussed in matter so that it won't need to be locked? Because I think the OP is wrong in his distinction between "good" and "bad" companies. Just because a game is full of bugs, or a DLC has very little content, doesn't make it any less wrong to illegally obtain it. If a product doesn't meet your standards or idea of a price, you can decide not to buy it, but you still have no right to steal it.



Of course BioWare is my favourite developer, so knowing my money supports them is certainly a nice bonus. But I for one have refused to buy any DLC for any game so far, because I don't like that business model and would prefer the industry to get back to the old model of producing full add-ons that can be purchased on a disc. But I'll live with that decision and will therefore not play the content, simple as that.

[phordicus]

leave me out of your paranoia-soaked club.

[F-C]

im not going to condone piracy, but im not going to condone charging 10$ for an hour of gameplay they want to charge for DLC either.



i cant honestly support either method that is currently available.

[StianJ]

I couldn't agree more with this statement. Piracy hurts good and devoted companies like Bioware from earning money on their hard work of satisfying their fans. When they make such amazing games like Baldur's Gate 1 & 2, KotOR, Mass Effect, and my new favourite game, Dragon Age, and are responsible for my greatest gaming experiences ever, they deserve my full unwavering support in their work, and therefore my money in exchange for their products. Just because they encountered some problems and missed a couple of release deadlines are no excuse in my book to go to lengths to get your hands on content that are not supposed to be released. Keep up the good work Bioware, and know that you have alot of dedicated fans all over the world just dying to get their hands on anything you make

[KariTR]

bjdbwea wrote...

Maybe this can be discussed in matter so that it won't need to be locked? Because I think the OP is wrong in his distinction between "good" and "bad" companies. Just because a game is full of bugs, or a DLC has very little content, doesn't make it any less wrong to illegally obtain it. If a product doesn't meet your standards or idea of a price, you can decide not to buy it, but you still have no right to steal it.

Agree.

OP your stance shows you to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. I can see that your intent was honest, but if you want your point to be credible then you really need to rethink your own standards.

[Frozeal]

Valcutio wrote...

 I'm writing it as a fanboy 

writing it as a fanboy

fanboy

- Valcutio

[addiction21]

F-C wrote...

im not going to condone piracy, but im not going to condone charging 10$ for an hour of gameplay they want to charge for DLC either.

i cant honestly support either method that is currently available.

Good thing they are not charging 10 dollars then eh? 

Now we should all be happy they they are not charging 5-10 dollars for a single item but instead are ading in new textures that modders can use and a actual game experiance with a story to it, lore, and the voiceovers.  So would you care to grace us with what a fair price would be then? Something I havent seen any of the detractors of the DLC's do.
Do expect them to do it for free? 3 dollars?

Take your time sir. I am going to be looking for a way to torrent some tasty waffles and this might take some time.

[Fedaykin Oathium]

Valcutio wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature[/b]. Warez,
software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted
material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will
be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with
on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such
matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.




Cause you know this will be locked.

You don't understand the rules you just linked, do you? This is awkward...

Sloth of Doom is just being a Troll...

Look at it like this: ALL gaming platforms are able to be pirated. Bioware has done an amazing job with their releases of great games like ME and DA:O. where they have failed their customers is lack of communication. I like most people can overlook the  various bugs in the game, when BIOWARE has opened DA:O up for modding, and has released 2 patches for the game already. While I am not a fanboi of any company that treats customers like 6 years olds, I myself being on the game dev side of the industry in the past, have been on the receiving end of the massive amount of abuse suffered at the hands of my customers. People are creatures of immediate satisfaction, and as such do not understand the man hours required to generate code, compile, test, fix, compile, test, fix, rinse and repeat.
 
While I was irritated about the latest DLC being delayed, I like many others would have preferred to see a message like this: "We found X bug that causes X to happen, we found it at the last minute and rather than breaking our customers games, we are going to delay this release until we are sure we have it fixed."
 
Prepubescent and mentally defective people threatening Bioware under the guise of releasing an unfinished product by pirating a DLC are only hurting themselves and the PC gaming culture as a whole.The OP is dissuading people from pirating the game/DLC, not talking about the ethics of pirating. If Bioware mods don't see that, maybe they should consider a career at McDonalds.

[metallica1986]

So very true.For an extraordinary game such as DAO and a dedicated developer like Bioware, they deserve all our support. I've discovered on the internet that people can actually play DAO with ALL DLC's without having to pay for anything at all. Yeah including Warden's Keep, Shale, and soon maybe future DLC's like RTO. Sucks to know that especially when you thought that it's only people who paid for the content can use it. Shame on them. Well it wouldn't really matter to me as long as there are more people who choose to give DAO and Bioware all the support they deserve

Modifié par metallica1986, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:19 .

[Frozeal]

Fedaykin Oathium wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

Sloth Of Doom wrote...

No Topics of an illicit or illegal nature[/b]. Warez,
software piracy, illegal activites, pornography, posting copyrighted
material or scans of such material, etc. are not welcome here and will
be removed without warning. Posters of such material will be dealt with
on a case by case basis. A person or persons found to discuss such
matters may be banned from these forums at the discretion of the staff.




Cause you know this will be locked.

You don't understand the rules you just linked, do you? This is awkward...

Sloth of Doom is just being a Troll...

Look at it like this: ALL gaming platforms are able to be pirated. Bioware has done an amazing job with their releases of great games like ME and DA:O. where they have failed their customers is lack of communication. I like most people can overlook the  various bugs in the game, when BIOWARE has opened DA:O up for modding, and has released 2 patches for the game already. While I am not a fanboi of any company that treats customers like 6 years olds, I myself being on the game dev side of the industry in the past, have been on the receiving end of the massive amount of abuse suffered at the hands of my customers. People are creatures of immediate satisfaction, and as such do not understand the man hours required to generate code, compile, test, fix, compile, test, fix, rinse and repeat.
 
While I was irritated about the latest DLC being delayed, I like many others would have preferred to see a message like this: "We found X bug that causes X to happen, we found it at the last minute and rather than breaking our customers games, we are going to delay this release until we are sure we have it fixed."
 
Prepubescent and mentally defective people threatening Bioware under the guise of releasing an unfinished product by pirating a DLC are only hurting themselves and the PC gaming culture as a whole.The OP is dissuading people from pirating the game/DLC, not talking about the ethics of pirating. If Bioware mods don't see that, maybe they should consider a career at McDonalds.

You have my sword

[Valcutio]

KariTR wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Maybe this can be discussed in matter so that it won't need to be locked? Because I think the OP is wrong in his distinction between "good" and "bad" companies. Just because a game is full of bugs, or a DLC has very little content, doesn't make it any less wrong to illegally obtain it. If a product doesn't meet your standards or idea of a price, you can decide not to buy it, but you still have no right to steal it.

Agree.

OP your stance shows you to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. I can see that your intent was honest, but if you want your point to be credible then you really need to rethink your own standards.

No. My standards are a-ok with me. I'm not part of the problem either. You are. People like you want to pretend that internet pirates are evil or you just want to ignore them instead of trying to understand their motivations and sway them. When I said that there is a place and a time for piracy, I simply meant that it's not when you're dealing with a company like Bioware. I understand that there's a growing trend on this forum to be negative and attack anything that you, yourself, haven't posted but I think a few of you jumped the gun.

Also, I'm not a pirate. I don't even have an eyepatch. I can just empathize in this economic climate. Just not when it comes to a company that has done a lot for the PC community as a whole.

[MassEffect762]

To the OP:



"Some people just want to see the World burn" LOL.



The honest gamer will pay the price either way you look at it.

[Dr Bawbag]

Please define what's a good company and what makes a bad one? Just because you personally don't/do happen to like another company doesn't mean the next person will share your view. For every person that agrees with you, there will probably be another one that doesn't.

What about a company that does a lot for console players? Are they fair game just because you happen to be a PC gamer? Everyone that has purchased a platform has paid their dues, just like you, fair and square.

Should Bioware be punished for Pinnicle Station?  Or whatever it's called.

Modifié par Dr Bawbag, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:42 .

[DragonRageGT]

It makes me mad when people say stupid things like "companies are hurt by piracy" and label piracy those people who get the game or addon or whatever for free on the internet for personal use and make no money for themselves from it. Companies have lawyers and they really don't need b/s as argument to win a cause!



Is it wrong? Perhaps. Is it? So go catch the leaker! I'm still to see one of those being caught!

Would people who d/l stuff buy the good if they were not available for free somewhere? I doubt it. They would get the next one. So the "Hurt" is a LIE!

Do they buy the goods after trying it? Some do! That is actually some extra sale for the company. Income that they would never have otherwise!

Meanwhile, illegal factories produce millions of illegal products including video games, physically, DVD's and console disks and make billions of whatever-strong-currency-you-wish-to-use, selling those illegal products to people that might buy the real thing if there were no illegal one available!

Which do you really think that corporation lawyers give a **** about?

Pirating the game/DLC , for me, is making money from it. I'll gladly PAY money for it, whenever the company wishes to collect it by making the payment possible.

[bjdbwea]

Valcutio wrote...

People like you want to pretend that internet pirates are evil or you just want to ignore them instead of trying to understand their motivations and sway them.

Evil? No, I wouldn't go so far. But what's there to understand? People always like to get things they'd usually have to pay for cheaper or for free. It's just easier with digital content and the internet. "There's too little content for that much money" or "the game isn't finished, full of bugs, and not worth it" is just an excuse, let's face it. If the game / DLC were that bad, they wouldn't want to play it in the first place. I'm really not trying to be holier-than-you here, it's just the truth, and we all know it.

[EricXIII]

Valcutio wrote...

I've seen some rumors circulating about the pirating of DA DLC that has been released and perhaps some that hasn't. This has to stop. When a "good" PC-supportive company like Bioware goes out of their way to provide as much content for us as possible, it's a slap in the face to each and every PC gamer when you or somebody you know uses that content without paying. By purchasing the DLC, it's proof that there's a demand for it.

Piracy has a purpose and a place and it's sure as hell not to hurt "good" companies. When a certain horse armor DLC launched for 5 bucks, that was one thing. When a bad console port hits the shelves for full price and it's loaded with bugs and no mouse/keyboard support - ok, ok. But when you have a team of devs busting their behinds to continue support for a game that has helped revitalize and strengthen our gaming platform of choice and "somebody you know" decides to skip paying them for their effort - It's lame. It's beyond lame.

I'm not writing this as a fanboy of Bioware - I'm writing it as a fanboy of PC gaming. If you're going to rip off a company and brag about it - make sure it's one that deserves it. Bioware has earned our monetary support time and time again. This website's design is further proof of that - the developer interaction with the community is nothing short of amazing.

Show some respect. Cut the piracy bragging here when all it does is make you look like a tool. If you get PMed piracy links, report em.

- Valcutio

Like we dont know all those things already,cant you understand you wasting your time here? you really think that those that pirated the RtO will see this,regret what they have done and stop uploading it?either way this thread is going to be locked soon enough

[Euteras]

Good post Valcutio and going even further bjdbwea. No matter how a person rationalises it, pirating (stealing somebody elses work) is wrong. Boycotting is a much more powerfull and very legal weapon to use against bad quality products. My problem is with the title of this thread. It is not up to me to support Bioware or any other company. It is their task to produce something I want or need to buy. Bioware, Firaxis and some others are very good at this. The companies that aren't as good at game making can just go out of business for all I care.

[KariTR]

Valcutio wrote...

KariTR wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

Maybe this can be discussed in matter so that it won't need to be locked? Because I think the OP is wrong in his distinction between "good" and "bad" companies. Just because a game is full of bugs, or a DLC has very little content, doesn't make it any less wrong to illegally obtain it. If a product doesn't meet your standards or idea of a price, you can decide not to buy it, but you still have no right to steal it.

Agree.

OP your stance shows you to be part of the problem, not part of the solution. I can see that your intent was honest, but if you want your point to be credible then you really need to rethink your own standards.

No. My standards are a-ok with me. I'm not part of the problem either. You are. People like you want to pretend that internet pirates are evil or you just want to ignore them instead of trying to understand their motivations and sway them. When I said that there is a place and a time for piracy, I simply meant that it's not when you're dealing with a company like Bioware. I understand that there's a growing trend on this forum to be negative and attack anything that you, yourself, haven't posted but I think a few of you jumped the gun.

Also, I'm not a pirate. I don't even have an eyepatch. I can just empathize in this economic climate. Just not when it comes to a company that has done a lot for the PC community as a whole.

Enough with the histrionics. You condoned piracy in your opening post and if you didnt intend to then edit it. All companies need our support. It isnt going to do jack-**** if youre going to seperate game companies (of all things) into enemy and ally groups. If you dont support all, then we all suffer with higher prices, lack of quality.

And who are we to decide which companies are worthy of support anyway? There isnt a game made that everyone has agreed upon - "too buggy," "plays fine on my PC." "Game sucked," "You suck, it was awesome." At the end of the day, no one makes a bad game on purpose.

I just cant understand why, when turkeys are released, some people take it as a personal insult and/or use that to justify ripping off gaming companies. Evil? No. Brainless? Pretty much, unless you like biting your own arse. 

[SarEnyaDor]

OP - ALL piracy is bad. If you think a company sucks, don't buy from it to teach them a lesson, don't steal from them.

There is no excuse for stealing movies, games, cars, electricity, from other people, from the government, whatever. It is wrong and all all justicifications are simply tools you use to talk yourself into thinking that "It's okay because it's me, and I'm not bad!"

I have this arguement all the time with my brother and step-brother. I may not have all the cool games and mods that they have, but all of my stuff is legal and I can still use my Xbox Live account.

If you want to steal, fine, deal with the consequences of your actions, but don't make excuses or say that it is alright to do it because they were a "bad" company or it was a "crappy product anyway."

Modifié par SarEnyaDor, 09 janvier 2010 - 05:53 .

[addiction21]

bjdbwea wrote...

Valcutio wrote...

People like you want to pretend that internet pirates are evil or you just want to ignore them instead of trying to understand their motivations and sway them.

Evil? No, I wouldn't go so far. But what's there to understand? People always like to get things they'd usually have to pay for cheaper or for free. It's just easier with digital content and the internet. "There's too little content for that much money" or "the game isn't finished, full of bugs, and not worth it" is just an excuse, let's face it. If the game / DLC were that bad, they wouldn't want to play it in the first place. I'm really not trying to be holier-than-you here, it's just the truth, and we all know it.

Damn skippy.