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[Kevin Lynch]

While I understand the topic was created in good faith, the topic of piracy in general is not one to be discussed in this forum. If you want to discuss RtO itself, there's a big ole thread for that.

[Eisberg1977]

Scimal wrote...

Eisberg1977 wrote...

What makes me laugh is when pirates say that if a developer doesn't want their game to be pirated, then they need to make sure it is a good game, cause pirates don't pirate good games, only the bad games, this according to the pirates. Yet, the highest pirated games have always been the highest selling, highly rated games, and the crappy games hardly ever get pirated.

Not true, actually.

The most pirated game in history, Spore, sucks. Well, okay - it's not that bad, but it's not great. Spore had 1.2 million pirated versions running around, and possibly more.

The reason was because EA was hurting actual customers with their DRC/DRM, so the massive pirating groups used their abilities to prove a point: DRM does not stop pirating. It only hurts customers.

Some pirates may think what you said, but many (if not most) are perfectly happy supporting good games with real money if it's a genuinely good game. An example is Sins of a Solar Empire, an RTS game. It was released with absolutely no DRM. Not even a disc check (or maybe simply a disc check, I forget). People on the forums were bawling about how it was going to get pirated left and right. While some copies are undoubtedly illegal, the vast majority are very legit, and fears never came to fruition.

Most piraters would happily pay for products they find to be quality, but it just so happens to be that 90% of the games being released are junk.

There's also other moral quandaries as well. When Napster was the pirating giant, many people used it to simply download a single track and not have to spend $15 ($10 of which, by the way, was pure profit) on a full-CD. At the time, nothing like iTunes was around, so it was either spend $15 on a full CD and 14 tracks you won't listen to or download the song you wanted. No middle-ground.

When iTunes came out, offering track downloads for $1, it was cheap, consumers got what they wanted, and it was a monumental success.

In that case it was the utter stubborness of the music industry to move on from their old ways which killed them, not a vendetta against spending.

Good games sell. Great games sell well. Fantastic games make records. Always have, always will.

Pirates are good at 2 things, pirating games, and making up the most illogical excuses to pirate games. Very few pirates will actually admit that they just pirate games because why pay for something when you can get it for free.

You should talk to them more often.

Some do what you said, most don't. Most are perfectly happy spending money on good games. Like I said before, it's just circumstance that most of the games coming out aren't terribly innovative, stunning, or all that great.

Spore sold over 1 million copies in the first 2 weeks of release.  So like I said, the most selling games are also the most pirated games.

[gamefemme]

RageGT wrote...


Are you saying that taping a TV show for watching later is stealing? I thought that the US Supreme Court had already a ruling on that! Maybe I'm wrong since I don't live there and don't really follow what they do.

But I remember a time where teens, like I was then, would make a k-7 tape of their favourite songs of their legit vynil records and trade with friends for their k-7 tapes of their favourite songs of their legit vvynil records. No one would even dare to say we were stealing and we loved to play those tapes in our cars.

And @ your P.S.: You're so right! I don't either unless there is no demo for it. It's a fraking expensive price to pay for a lousy product where I live and they don't take devolution if the product is a lousy one!

I hope you try your expensive clothes on, at the store, before buying them, don't you?

Maybe STEALING is a little harsh when talking about kids using a VCR or Cassette deck to tape music or TV or the air... but I'm sure the Entertainment Business would still think it was.  I guess my point was that some people have always and will always find ways to get this stuff for Free.

And yes I do like to try things out before I buy them... Clothes, or Games (demos), or Movies (PPV), in fact, I hardley ever go to the movies anymore unless it has great reviews, because I got tired of wanting my 2 hours and twenty bucks back at the end.  It stings less if I only paid 5 bucks for the crappy film!