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[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...
So you're telling me, Liara - who has proven her skills on battle, and not just physically, mentally as well, isn't worthy of fighting along side Shepard since she can't handle those extremes - Shepard isn't so "stable" himself, but again - he's been taught to show no fear.  

I think that's just not wanting her for the sake of not wanting her.  Even then, she deals with it in the best way she can and as an individual.  

Half of these people shouldn't be on the Normandy because of this mindset, IMO.  

. Like who?  No one but Liara has any qualms about killing husks of their species.  No one breaks down but Liara.  She doesn't deal with it, she breaks down.

Ashley, a Spectre, goes out and is smashed and lying on the floor, should she be on the Normandy after that outbreak? 

. Atomized particles don't drink

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...
So you're telling me, Liara - who has proven her skills on battle, and not just physically, mentally as well, isn't worthy of fighting along side Shepard since she can't handle those extremes - Shepard isn't so "stable" himself, but again - he's been taught to show no fear.  

I think that's just not wanting her for the sake of not wanting her.  Even then, she deals with it in the best way she can and as an individual.  

Half of these people shouldn't be on the Normandy because of this mindset, IMO.  

. Like who?  No one but Liara has any qualms about killing husks of their species.  No one breaks down but Liara.  She doesn't deal with it, she breaks down.

Ashley, a Spectre, goes out and is smashed and lying on the floor, should she be on the Normandy after that outbreak? 

. Atomized particles don't drink

When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

Modifié par Steelcan, 04 février 2013 - 11:54 .

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...
So you're telling me, Liara - who has proven her skills on battle, and not just physically, mentally as well, isn't worthy of fighting along side Shepard since she can't handle those extremes - Shepard isn't so "stable" himself, but again - he's been taught to show no fear.  

I think that's just not wanting her for the sake of not wanting her.  Even then, she deals with it in the best way she can and as an individual.  

Half of these people shouldn't be on the Normandy because of this mindset, IMO.  

. Like who?  No one but Liara has any qualms about killing husks of their species.  No one breaks down but Liara.  She doesn't deal with it, she breaks down.

Ashley, a Spectre, goes out and is smashed and lying on the floor, should she be on the Normandy after that outbreak? 

. Atomized particles don't drink

Miranda and Jack freak out on SR2.  

Modifié par spirosz, 05 février 2013 - 12:01 .

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Miranda and Jack freak out on SR2.  

. I know, and I was extremely unprofessional.  But unlike Liara, Jack actually has something going for her, she's the strongest biotic alive, that'd be pretty useful I think

[garrusfan1]

ohaithere wrote...

Regardless of her being put in her place, I smiled when Javik talked about writing a book with his newly reconciled friend Liara.

that was cool

[garrusfan1]

Ah yes another anti liara thread this was never done before

[spirosz]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Miranda and Jack freak out on SR2.  

. I know, and I was extremely unprofessional.  But unlike Liara, Jack actually has something going for her, she's the strongest biotic alive, that'd be pretty useful I think

And Liara is the Shadow Broker, a Prothean expert and a great biotic.  

[spirosz]

garrusfan1 wrote...

Ah yes another anti liara thread this was never done before

Try reading the actual posts.  

tbh.

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Miranda and Jack freak out on SR2.  

. I know, and I was extremely unprofessional.  But unlike Liara, Jack actually has something going for her, she's the strongest biotic alive, that'd be pretty useful I think

And Liara is the Shadow Broker, a Prothean expert and a great biotic.  

. Yes she was the SB, an incompetent one at that, but she should not have been running combat missions.  It'd be awkward if she got killed.  I think she should have been kind of like Hackett, giving us intel and missions, but not fighting alongside us.

[spirosz]

Then, wouldn't it be awkward is Miranda got killed in ME2 because of her role in Cerberus and position with TIM?

This will probably go around in circles, tbh and I'll just end it here Steel, though I respect your opinion, I just believe a lot of people are trying to nitpick certain things to argue not having Liara on the Normandy. Now, I wouldn't mind if I had a chance to not have her, I'd rather have Jack or Miranda, but I understand why she is there, even if the writers wrote her terribly.

[StayFrosty05]

I don't like either Liara or Javik...if it wasn't for Thessia I wouldn't pick Javik up at all....Liara of course I get no say and GOTTA LOVE THAT BLUEBERRY TOO!!!........Thessia is the one good reason to have Javik, someone needs to tell Liara it's time to grow up and only Javik is given that option.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 05 février 2013 - 12:19 .

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

Then, wouldn't it be awkward is Miranda got killed in ME2 because of her role in Cerberus and position with TIM?

This will probably go around in circles, tbh and I'll just end it here Steel, though I respect your opinion, I just believe a lot of people are trying to nitpick certain things to argue not having Liara on the Normandy. Now, I wouldn't mind if I had a chance to not have her, I'd rather have Jack or Miranda, but I understand why she is there, even if the writers wrote her terribly.

. I understand why she is there to.  
1.  Needed a biotic squadmate
2.  Liara is the most popular romance
3.  She had great potential with LotSB

pity it wasnt delivered on

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

No one else vocalizes an issue, there's a difference. The two VS's were pretty horrified at human husks way back when, and I really don't see what the problem is. Surprise, people care more about things that happen to things they care about. 

As for the breakdown after Thessia... so? What do you care? Don't visit her, or renegade her and support Javik. 

[themikefest]

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Miranda and Jack freak out on SR2.  

. I know, and I was extremely unprofessional.  But unlike Liara, Jack actually has something going for her, she's the strongest biotic alive, that'd be pretty useful I think

And Liara is the Shadow Broker, a Prothean expert and a great biotic.  

. Yes she was the SB, an incompetent one at that, but she should not have been running combat missions.  It'd be awkward if she got killed.  I think she should have been kind of like Hackett, giving us intel and missions, but not fighting alongside us.

agreed

she goes from a Prothean dud to a information dud

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

No one else vocalizes an issue, there's a difference. The two VS's were pretty horrified at human husks way back when, and I really don't see what the problem is. Surprise, people care more about things that happen to things they care about. 

As for the breakdown after Thessia... so? What do you care? Don't visit her, or renegade her and support Javik. 

. If she can't handle being in the worst situations in the galaxy, she shouldn't be on the Normandy.

And I do

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

No one else vocalizes an issue, there's a difference. The two VS's were pretty horrified at human husks way back when, and I really don't see what the problem is. Surprise, people care more about things that happen to things they care about. 

As for the breakdown after Thessia... so? What do you care? Don't visit her, or renegade her and support Javik. 

. If she can't handle being in the worst situations in the galaxy, she shouldn't be on the Normandy.

And I do

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

[spirosz]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

No one else vocalizes an issue, there's a difference. The two VS's were pretty horrified at human husks way back when, and I really don't see what the problem is. Surprise, people care more about things that happen to things they care about. 

As for the breakdown after Thessia... so? What do you care? Don't visit her, or renegade her and support Javik. 

. If she can't handle being in the worst situations in the galaxy, she shouldn't be on the Normandy.

And I do

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

I don't believe Steel is trying to argue that everyone is "emotionless", just the factor of how it would affect upcoming missions, which it doesn't obviously, since we can see in-game that she's fine after that little "outbreak".  

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

. In what universe is crying into your bed like a sad child "handling it". It was jarring to see her ready again so soon I'm surprised she wasn't greyed out for a mission.

Modifié par Steelcan, 05 février 2013 - 12:38 .

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

I don't believe Steel is trying to argue that everyone is "emotionless", just the factor of how it would affect upcoming missions, which it doesn't obviously, since we can see in-game that she's fine after that little "outbreak".  

. Precisely:wizard:

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
When does Liara break down about having to kill a Banshee? 

"That used to be a person, an ASARI"

. "I still can't face those things, my own people"

and I was talking about her break down after Thessia

No one else vocalizes an issue, there's a difference. The two VS's were pretty horrified at human husks way back when, and I really don't see what the problem is. Surprise, people care more about things that happen to things they care about. 

As for the breakdown after Thessia... so? What do you care? Don't visit her, or renegade her and support Javik. 

. If she can't handle being in the worst situations in the galaxy, she shouldn't be on the Normandy.

And I do

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

[Belisarius25]

Liara obviously shouldn't have gone out of her way to confront Javik but - it should be noted - she stops herself before it escalates further (even if you don't paragon interrupt her). It doesn't affect her performance (neither does the other crew's ways of blowing off steam), and it demonstrates that the writers at least recognized that wartime stress can be pretty severe.

I would be much more bothered if she (and the other people on my squad) didn't display any reactions at all; that they do have reactions but wait until they're off-duty/on the Normandy is actually a good thing in my book. If Liara were unable to work with Javik after Thessia or was an emotional wreck incapable of doing anything, you might have a point. Clearly, that isn't the case.

Modifié par Belisarius25, 05 février 2013 - 12:44 .

[Steelcan]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Liara obviously shouldn't have gone out of her way to confront Javik but - it should be noted - she stops herself before it escalates further (even if you don't paragon interrupt her). It doesn't affect her performance (neither does the other crew's ways of blowing off steam), and it demonstrates that the writers at least recognized that wartime stress can be pretty severe.

I would be much more bothered if she (and the other people on my squad) didn't display any reactions at all; that they do have reactions but wait until they're off-duty/on the Normandy is actually a good thing in my book.

. Even Liara didnt want to tangle with Javik. 

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

. In what universe is crying into your bed like a sad child "handling it". It was jarring to see her ready again so soon I'm surprised she wasn't greyed out for a mission.

In a normal universe. She breaks down after you get back, and is fine within an hour, and stays that way for the rest of the game.