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[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

. She refuses to fight banshees, whines the entire time, and then gets pissed when someone tells her to shut and focus.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Except, she quite clearly can handle it. She gets upset and has a cry for a while, and then she's perfectly fine for the rest of the game. Surprise, not everyone's an emotionless stone. 

. In what universe is crying into your bed like a sad child "handling it". It was jarring to see her ready again so soon I'm surprised she wasn't greyed out for a mission.

In a normal universe. She breaks down after you get back, and is fine within an hour, and stays that way for the rest of the game. 

. Last I checked that was pretty much the definition of not coping well.

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

In the shuttle before landing on Thessia, she started her crying. In that state she is a liability and needs to be replaced.

I would've told Cortez to turn around and go back to the Normandy to get another squadmate.

[Steelcan]

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

. She refuses to fight banshees, whines the entire time, and then gets pissed when someone tells her to shut and focus.

She doesn't break down though, she gets upset and continues doing her job, even saving Shepard's life at the end. 

[The Night Mammoth]

themikefest wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

In the shuttle before landing on Thessia, she started her crying. In that state she is a liability and needs to be replaced.

I would've told Cortez to turn around and go back to the Normandy to get another squadmate.

What would that have achieved? 

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

themikefest wrote...
In combat, alot of the time you have to be emotionless. If you hesitate for even a blink of an eye, your dead. Showing to many emotions hampers your performance and jeopardizes the mission making the squadmate a liability. To avoid that you leave them behind and bring someone else.

Liara doesn't break down in combat. 

. She refuses to fight banshees, whines the entire time, and then gets pissed when someone tells her to shut and focus.

She doesn't break down though, she gets upset and continues doing her job, even saving Shepard's life at the end. 

. No she doesn't do her job, she mopes.  And please tell me what Liara did to save Shepard that no other person could have done?

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Liara would have to actually do that first. 

[themikefest]

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

yes.

Just like on Therum when you rescue her. You fight a krogan battlemaster and a few geth while T'Soni turns chicken.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Liara would have to actually do that first. 

. "I can't still can't FACE those things". I pretty sure in order to fight you have to face them...

[spirosz]

themikefest wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

yes.

Just like on Therum when you rescue her. You fight a krogan battlemaster and a few geth while T'Soni turns chicken.

Do we know of her past combat experience before Therum?  

[Steelcan]

themikefest wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

yes.

Just like on Therum when you rescue her. You fight a krogan battlemaster and a few geth while T'Soni turns chicken.

. I'd let that slide.  She is very much a noncombatant at that time, and she's been in there for god knows how long.  

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...
She doesn't break down though, she gets upset and continues doing her job, even saving Shepard's life at the end. 

. No she doesn't do her job, she mopes.

Her job is to shoot husks and use her biotics. She doesn't fail in that task. 

And please tell me what Liara did to save Shepard that no other person could have done?

Irrelevant, she still saves Shepard's life. Any other member of the Normandy crew could have done that. I'm not saying it's a feet of skill or strength. 

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Liara would have to actually do that first. 

. "I can't still can't FACE those things". I pretty sure in order to fight you have to face them...

Does she refuse to attack them? 

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Liara would have to actually do that first. 

. "I can't still can't FACE those things". I pretty sure in order to fight you have to face them...

Does she refuse to attack them? 

. So in the middle of combat I should look to see if my squadmate is actually firing their weapon when she says she isn't?

[themikefest]

spirosz wrote...

themikefest wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

yes.

Just like on Therum when you rescue her. You fight a krogan battlemaster and a few geth while T'Soni turns chicken.

Do we know of her past combat experience before Therum?  

From what I've seen posted, she had a few run ins with some mercs. That little bit doesn't qualify her for combat in any way,shape or form.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Would her refusal to fight banshees be considered cowardice in the face of the enemy?

Liara would have to actually do that first. 

. "I can't still can't FACE those things". I pretty sure in order to fight you have to face them...

Does she refuse to attack them? 

. So in the middle of combat I should look to see if my squadmate is actually firing their weapon when she says she isn't?

It'd be far easier to realize that not everything needs to be taken literally, people say things that don't literally denote what they mean, that are hyperbolic, said in the heat of the moment. 

But it doesn't matter to me what you do. Liara fights the banshees you encounter on Thessia. She does not refuse to attack them. Just go and play the mission, or watch it. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 05 février 2013 - 01:13 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

I don't remember her ever refusing to attack banshees.

[Steelcan]

So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

To the argument that she refuses to fight them, yes, because she doesn't. 

Rail on her character for being scared all you want, I don't mind. The whole Thessia mission is heavy handed in the emotion department. 

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

To the argument that she refuses to fight them, yes, because she doesn't. 

Rail on her character for being scared all you want, I don't mind. The whole Thessia mission is heavy handed in the emotion department. 

. On that we can agree.  It just all comes off to me as bad attempted forced emotion

But the words still come from her mouth.  I think she is the most qualified to tell me if she is fighting or not, and based off that line, she isn't.

Modifié par Steelcan, 05 février 2013 - 01:31 .

[themikefest]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

To the argument that she refuses to fight them, yes, because she doesn't. 

Rail on her character for being scared all you want, I don't mind. The whole Thessia mission is heavy handed in the emotion department. 

This reason is enough not to have T'Soni on the mission.

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

To the argument that she refuses to fight them, yes, because she doesn't. 

Rail on her character for being scared all you want, I don't mind. The whole Thessia mission is heavy handed in the emotion department. 

. On that we can agree.  It just all comes off to me as bad attempted forced emotion

When Shepard's standing at the mouth of the temple and the tiny violin music goes really high pitched and emotional just makes me laugh more than anything. 

And, yes, begrundginly I'll admit that Liara does get really annoying, especially with that line about the Alliance providing air support, which came off as some sort of inside joke I wasn't privy to. 

But the words still come from her mouth.  I think she is the most qualified to tell me if she is fighting or not, and based off that line, she isn't.

Your eyes are good ways of discovering the truth. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 05 février 2013 - 01:45 .

[Steelcan]

I can also shoot NPC's such as Okeer in ME2. But does it have any bearing on what the game says happens?

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Steelcan wrote...
So her saying "I still can't face them is irrelevant"?

To the argument that she refuses to fight them, yes, because she doesn't. 

Rail on her character for being scared all you want, I don't mind. The whole Thessia mission is heavy handed in the emotion department. 

. On that we can agree.  It just all comes off to me as bad attempted forced emotion

When Shepard's standing at the mouth of the temple and the tiny violin music goes really high pitched and emotional just makes me laugh more than anything. 

For me the worst part is when Shepard gets all angry afterwards.  Honestly Kai Leng pissed me off more on that mission than Liara did