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[David7204]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Javik is right about just about everything.

I took a quick look at your profile, and you've got quite a bit of My Little Pony stuff in there.

Doesn't My Little Pony have gushy morals at the end of every episode about love and friendship and whatever?

Modifié par David7204, 02 février 2013 - 04:34 .

[Wayning_Star]

Liara is hoplessly in love with Shep tho..gotta give some breaks...on that alone. Poor dear..

I like her, but shes a bit 'clingy'. If she cannot have sheps, she pretty much adopts them..lol

[KiwiQuiche]

David7204 wrote...

Liara's reaction to her homeworld being destroyed was completely cool and professional. She's ready to go on the very next mission.

Yeah cause sitting on your bed and crying is completely cool or verbally screaming and nearly attacking a fellow crew mate is professional.

[Lyrandori]

David7204 wrote...

I can't think of a single time Liara spoke about any kind of 'asari supremacy,' passively or no.

My thoughts too.

I have completed ME3 only one time and that was back late March last year, so I can't recall everything Liara said in the game, but I swear she never referred to her people in any arrogant manners or meanings, that would imply Asari supremacy of any way, shape and form that I can think of or that I try to remember. Heck back in ME1 Liara was innocent and naive and only shared basics of her people which ironically she herself didn't know much of anyway, since she spent half her life on remote archeological sties and alone most of the time. In ME2 she had a vendetta and never spoke about the Asari species' "supremacy", ever.

In ME3 she was focused on helping Shepard and I can only remember her being psychologically shocked and traumatized to learn that her people as a whole (and not just her realizing it for herself) had been deceived and lied to by a few select (within the Asari's "elite") whom knew the truth concerning their past and how they came to be the people that they are today, and what influenced that. I mean sure, like in any species you'll find individuals, or groups (or organizations) who think that their species is supreme or "better than the others", or "more logical" or that they understand things better, or understand more than the others, but that applies to all species and countless individuals. With this said, however, Liara never acted as such nor talked about the Asari in a way that would even remotely suggest that she believes her people is "superior".

Heck while we're at it Javik could "put humans" in their place had he been talking to the Illusive Man who believes that humanity is supreme and should be the one species of them all to rule the galaxy. Or what about the Salarians back when they wanted to tinker with another species' evolution by "uplifting them", who the heck did they think they were by doing that? What permission did they receive? No one gave them the green light to do it but themselves. But anyway, I completely disagree with you OP on "enjoying" seeing Liara supposedly being "put in her place" by Javik. During that scene Javik were merely stating what had occurred in the Asari's past and only tried to tell Liara that she needs to understand that what she thought she knew of her people's past isn't all accurate. But that would have been the same speech to probably 99% of the Asari population, and probably that same amount would have had the same traumatic shock in realizing it.

I mean what about us, in "reality". What if someday a disclosure was to reveal that a crap load of time, eons ago, a super civilization here in "our system" evolved beyond their home world. What if that home world had been the "missing planet" that is today the asteroid belt, and what if that species before going the way of the dodo by being completely arrogant about their capabilities and making things go boom still managed to survive long enough to leave traces of their existence on the Moon, on Mars, on various planetoids (or then natural satellites of their home world) and here on Earth. But not only that, what if they actually had the time to tinker with the then-primitive life of planet Earth and modified DNA of our ancestors and therefor "created" us ******-sapiens. Let's go further, what if that DNA tinkering in fact programmed our "own discoveries", and would mean that everything we think we discovered "ourselves" was in fact meant to be discovered one day or another because programmed as such. What would be the feeling like to realize that "as the species that you are" you really never did anything on your own throuhout your known recorded history and was in fact 90% influenced by or in direct relation to the descent of or legacy from a past advanced civilization that is now exctinct but "took the permission" to tinker with "us".

If any of that, or all of that were to be true, and proven, wouldn't it shock you? Liara, in that scene, only needs a really, really big hug 'cause a monstrous amount of stuff is going through her mind and she just can't cope with the emotional response. We're not seeing some sort of an arrogant Liara realizing suddenly that what she thought of her epople would suddenly reduce them to nothingness. She merely realizes that she'll probably have to unlearn almost everything she and almost all other Asari has ever learned about their own history. It doesn't affect just Liara, and even if she happened to be arrogant and did believe inside her that the Asari was superior then she'll still now have to think of it in the past tense, because what Javik tells her is merely the truth, and not an attempt at putting her in "her place".

Anyway, if really you think that Liara believes her people to be supreme then you'll have to point me at an actual in-game scene in which she either mentions just that or clearly implies it, because I simply can't recall anything remotely similar to that or even comparable to it.

[fiendishchicken]

I loved it.

I really enjoyed it. Liara needed to drop the 'this is war, it's so horrible' crap. Javik helps her with that.

[David7204]

I'm guessing you also 'canonically' support Caesar in New Vegas as well.

Modifié par David7204, 02 février 2013 - 04:41 .

[KiwiQuiche]

David7204 wrote...

I'm guessing you also 'canonically' support Caesar in New Vegas as well.

Stop going off topic.

[Wayning_Star]

Lyrandori wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I can't think of a single time Liara spoke about any kind of 'asari supremacy,' passively or no.

My thoughts too.

I have completed ME3 only one time and that was back late March last year, so I can't recall everything Liara said in the game, but I swear she never referred to her people in any arrogant manners or meanings, that would imply Asari supremacy of any way, shape and form that I can think of or that I try to remember. Heck back in ME1 Liara was innocent and naive and only shared basics of her people which ironically she herself didn't know much of anyway, since she spent half her life on remote archeological sties and alone most of the time. In ME2 she had a vendetta and never spoke about the Asari species' "supremacy", ever.

In ME3 she was focused on helping Shepard and I can only remember her being psychologically shocked and traumatized to learn that her people as a whole (and not just her realizing it for herself) had been deceived and lied to by a few select (within the Asari's "elite") whom knew the truth concerning their past and how they came to be the people that they are today, and what influenced that. I mean sure, like in any species you'll find individuals, or groups (or organizations) who think that their species is supreme or "better than the others", or "more logical" or that they understand things better, or understand more than the others, but that applies to all species and countless individuals. With this said, however, Liara never acted as such nor talked about the Asari in a way that would even remotely suggest that she believes her people is "superior".

Heck while we're at it Javik could "put humans" in their place had he been talking to the Illusive Man who believes that humanity is supreme and should be the one species of them all to rule the galaxy. Or what about the Salarians back when they wanted to tinker with another species' evolution by "uplifting them", who the heck did they think they were by doing that? What permission did they receive? No one gave them the green light to do it but themselves. But anyway, I completely disagree with you OP on "enjoying" seeing Liara supposedly being "put in her place" by Javik. During that scene Javik were merely stating what had occurred in the Asari's past and only tried to tell Liara that she needs to understand that what she thought she knew of her people's past isn't all accurate. But that would have been the same speech to probably 99% of the Asari population, and probably that same amount would have had the same traumatic shock in realizing it.

I mean what about us, in "reality". What if someday a disclosure was to reveal that a crap load of time, eons ago, a super civilization here in "our system" evolved beyond their home world. What if that home world had been the "missing planet" that is today the asteroid belt, and what if that species before going the way of the dodo by being completely arrogant about their capabilities and making things go boom still managed to survive long enough to leave traces of their existence on the Moon, on Mars, on various planetoids (or then natural satellites of their home world) and here on Earth. But not only that, what if they actually had the time to tinker with the then-primitive life of planet Earth and modified DNA of our ancestors and therefor "created" us ******-sapiens. Let's go further, what if that DNA tinkering in fact programmed our "own discoveries", and would mean that everything we think we discovered "ourselves" was in fact meant to be discovered one day or another because programmed as such. What would be the feeling like to realize that "as the species that you are" you really never did anything on your own throuhout your known recorded history and was in fact 90% influenced by or in direct relation to the descent of or legacy from a past advanced civilization that is now exctinct but "took the permission" to tinker with "us".

If any of that, or all of that were to be true, and proven, wouldn't it shock you? Liara, in that scene, only needs a really, really big hug 'cause a monstrous amount of stuff is going through her mind and she just can't cope with the emotional response. We're not seeing some sort of an arrogant Liara realizing suddenly that what she thought of her epople would suddenly reduce them to nothingness. She merely realizes that she'll probably have to unlearn almost everything she and almost all other Asari has ever learned about their own history. It doesn't affect just Liara, and even if she happened to be arrogant and did believe inside her that the Asari was superior then she'll still now have to think of it in the past tense, because what Javik tells her is merely the truth, and not an attempt at putting her in "her place".

Anyway, if really you think that Liara believes her people to be supreme then you'll have to point me at an actual in-game scene in which she either mentions just that or clearly implies it, because I simply can't recall anything remotely similar to that or even comparable to it.

this always came at me as confidence,as the Asari were quite advanced.Not arrogance like Javik, who really just relies on a form of absolute thinking, being Prothean and all(see King and I . When they went to Thessia and Liara found out that their 'tech' was (mostly) all swiped from Protheans, it set her confidence to fade..big time.

[Seboist]

David7204 wrote...

I'm guessing you also 'canonically' support Caesar in New Vegas as well.

I sure did with my fem-courier.

[Ticonderoga117]

I would rather aim Javik at the Asari Councilor and sit back and watch.

[Wayning_Star]

fiendishchicken wrote...

I loved it.

I really enjoyed it. Liara needed to drop the 'this is war, it's so horrible' crap. Javik helps her with that.

why, she was waaay more correct in that statement than any supremist Javik would be. Javik was a war monger from birth and station. It was what he did..and that was it. Not a science type dude...philosophy not a strong point, uneeded, problematic at best..lol

[David7204]

Yes. Have you considered that it's a bit difficult to take someone who praises and lauds Javik's views seriously when they admit to being a fan of 'My Little Pony'?

[Wayning_Star]

Seboist wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm guessing you also 'canonically' support Caesar in New Vegas as well.

I sure did with my fem-courier.

I mega fat boy'd those tykes..lol (on god mode no lless) couldn't resist.

[kalasaurus]

I was really annoyed with Liara for starting crap with Javik after Thessia. It's even worse if you brought another squad mate along, so she just goes on, "My home world just fell and all he can do is gloat!". Like, hello, Liara-- Garrus, Tali, Kaidan, Adams and Shepard are all worried about you as you fall apart, and you expect JAVIK to coddle you and hold your hand too? I always side with Javik, ugh, it's as bad as when Jack threw a hissy fit in Miranda's office.

[mango smoothie]

Seboist wrote...

David7204 wrote...

I'm guessing you also 'canonically' support Caesar in New Vegas as well.

I sure did with my fem-courier.

Ah New Vegas how I miss you, I really should get the time to replay my main yes man female courier playthrough.

On topic Javik became one of my favorite squadmates in Mass Effect, due to a lot of reasons. One of them being that he put down Liara. Something I wish my character could've done more.

Modifié par mango smoothie, 02 février 2013 - 04:51 .

[Wayning_Star]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Have you considered that it's a bit difficult to take someone who praises and lauds Javik's views seriously when they admit to being a fan of 'My Little Pony'?

not at the same exact time.. life isn't static...

[Yate]

I actually liked it better when she yelled at him "MY NAME IS LIARA". I agree with Javik on a lot of stuff and adore him as a character, but sometimes he just needs a good slap to the face.

[TheBlackBaron]

Not gonna lie, Javik in general is one of the highlights of ME3 for me, but his utter shutdown of Liara on Thessia and the argument on the Normandy (you know the one I'm talking about) particularly stand out to me.

So in a word, yes, I enjoyed it.

[C9316]

I don't remember Javik telling her to get back in the kitchen.

[dreamgazer]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Have you considered that it's a bit difficult to take someone who praises and lauds Javik's views seriously when they admit to being a fan of 'My Little Pony'?

You're aware that this is an elaborate ad-hominem, right?

Different universes, different contexts.

[JBPBRC]

I absolutely enjoyed it. Anything Javik touches is solid gold. All things considered, a good thing, since he costs as much as LotSB.

[Yate]

David7204 wrote...

Yes. Have you considered that it's a bit difficult to take someone who praises and lauds Javik's views seriously when they admit to being a fan of 'My Little Pony'?

I smell an epic crossover...

"No. Do not help the Fluttershy-Pony. She is weak, and evolution has selected her for death. You must be strong to face the Discord, do not hesitate, but kill him where he stands. Then we must see this Celestia-Pony. I have some opinions on how she should run her Empire."