212 réponses à ce sujet

[k.lalh]

David7204 wrote...

Let's look at that number.

You say Shepard would be moving 75 km/s?

V^2 = 2ad

Alchera's gravity is .85g.

5,625,000,000 = (2)(.85)(9.81)(d)

d = 337,000,000.

These numbers are just ridiculous. A simple equation shows that to attain a speed of 75 km/s, Shepard would have to fall over 330 million meters. 330,000 kilometers. The radius of Earth is 6378 kilometers and you're saying Shepard falls 330,000 kilometers from the Normandy to the ground.

Edit: one moment

Modifié par k.lalh, 04 février 2013 - 07:31 .

[noobcannon]

Animositisomina wrote...

Indoctrination Theory.

/flameshield on.

FIRE THE MAIN GUN!!!

[Asch Lavigne]

C-Sec and the Alliance wearing the same uniforms in ME3. That baffled me.

Rannoch Reaper beam not even slicing up the cliff Shep is on. Must have had it set to "stun." Also, dodging the beam. The Reaper on Earth was the same. It shot at stuff but again, no damage, just smoke.

Samara saying "I have three daugthers, and there are three Ardat-Yakhsi in existence" in ME2 but then in ME3 there's a whole bunch of them. And the Asari, who fear and hate them let them live peacefully in a secluded monastery. Furthermore, lady, either you or your bond mate must have had wacky DNA that all three of your kids wound up monsters.

Regular Asari can't be reaperized but all the other races could. Human = husks, Turians = Marauders, etc...

Brutes. Krogans with Turian heads. Where are they making these and why? Can they not make troops out of just Krogans?

If you kill the Rachni Queen in game 1 it makes no sense in any way, shape or form, for the Reapers to make a robot version of an extinct race in ME3. Let's resurrect these bugs and use them to make troops, real genius writing there.

I get that the devs didn't give the Alliance colors when ME1 was made, but the Normandy being "Alliance colors" in 3 when it was an Alliance ship in 1 makes no sense.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 04 février 2013 - 07:44 .

[ohaithere]

Asch regarding the reaper, it's a "boss fight" so suspension of disbelief goes a long way with that. Perhaps regular asari aren't worth being reaperized (not exactly physically gifted, what purpose would they serve if they aren't capable of being banshees?) and the other 3 I can't say much about. The queen is another example of "hey you can choose to do this, but it's going to happen like this anyways".

[k.lalh]

David7204 wrote...

Let's look at that number.

You say Shepard would be moving 75 km/s?

V^2 = 2ad

Alchera's gravity is .85g.

5,625,000,000 = (2)(.85)(9.81)(d)

d = 337,000,000.

These numbers are just ridiculous. A simple equation shows that to attain a speed of 75 km/s, Shepard would have to fall over 330 million meters. 330,000 kilometers. The radius of Earth is 6378 kilometers and you're saying Shepard falls 330,000 kilometers from the Normandy to the ground.

And that's with zero drag and a constant gravitational fireld equal to the surface gravity, neither of which would be present.

Did I say 75? I was basing that number off of your value of 8000 m/s ...which I divided incorrectly, because of the amount of beer I've had today.

So 7.5 km/s would be more accurate.

56 250 000/(2*0.85*9.81) = 3373 km 

Okay, so that doesn't work

I concede that. Let's try 450km

sqrt (450km * (2*0.85*9.81)) = 2.7km/s or ~Mach 8

So his vertical speed could not breach that. However his horizontal speed would be extremely fast as well.

But it's not helping your case simply by proving that I'm bad at math.

Hitting the ground at Mach 8 would obliterate almost anything. >_>

[Indy_S]

There's a lot of math in this thread devoted to determining the plausibility of that contrivance. Keep up the good work.

[The Night Mammoth]

To be honest, the very fact that Shepard died and hit the surface after falling from orbit, regardless of what her exact speed was when she impacted or how burnt her corpse was, should be enough of a barrier to plausibility.

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 04 février 2013 - 08:22 .

[k.lalh]

Indy_S wrote...

There's a lot of math in this thread devoted to determining the plausibility of that contrivance. Keep up the good work.

This thread reminded me why I didn't apply into engineering. ._.

But I think I've got my math sorted out.

I just can't do mental math like I used to, so I had to go digging to find notes and formulas, and a calculator.

That impact would be impossible to survive unless Shep's armor has active exterior cooling to prevent the atmosphere around him from igniting. And the shock from that impact would be immense. The impulse Shepard would succumb to is  around -270 000 kgm/s on impact. If he made a 10 m deep crater, his body would succumb to -37 169 Gs.

He's dead.

[Asch Lavigne]

TIM letting Jacob go I get, he's a soldier, bog loss there. But he lets Miranda go, not Kelly Chambers, and sends an army after Brynn Cole and her buddies? Makes no sense.

Also, the ex Cerberus scientists running from Cerberus, but hanging out in Cerberus uniforms, and hiding out in a Cerberus facility with Cerberus logos painted all over the walls.

[Indy_S]

Asch Lavigne wrote...

TIM letting Jacob go I get, he's a soldier, bog loss there. But he lets Miranda go, not Kelly Chambers, and sends an army after Brynn Cole and her buddies? Makes no sense.

Also, the ex Cerberus scientists running from Cerberus, but hanging out in Cerberus uniforms, and hiding out in a Cerberus facility with Cerberus logos painted all over the walls.

I thought Miranda was being hunted. The ex-Cerberus guys are just a hilarious bunch. And to your earlier post, the Ardat-Yakshi thing was an issue even in ME2; the codex contradicted what Samara said and I guess they decided to go with the more obscure one.

[DMWW]

k.lalh wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

There's a lot of math in this thread devoted to determining the plausibility of that contrivance. Keep up the good work.

This thread reminded me why I didn't apply into engineering. ._.

But I think I've got my math sorted out.

I just can't do mental math like I used to, so I had to go digging to find notes and formulas, and a calculator.

That impact would be impossible to survive unless Shep's armor has active exterior cooling to prevent the atmosphere around him from igniting. And the shock from that impact would be immense. The impulse Shepard would succumb to is  around -270 000 kgm/s on impact. If he made a 10 m deep crater, his body would succumb to -37 169 Gs.

He's dead.

If only the setting had some kind of ubiquitous mass-lightening technology that's so widespread it could plausibly even be used as part of a spacesuit's emergency landing protocol.

[Indy_S]

'Could'. The narrative seemed to indicate that Shepard was really badly hurt from that fall, so I'm curious what softened it so much. As for visibly lit on fire, I guess it could have been a mirage brought on by the cameraman's dehydration and sun-exposure. And I'm the weird kind of person who thinks the ruins of a frigate landed on him. It's where his helmet is, after all. That would cause a huge concussive shock. He was probably fine after all of that but stood up too fast and the dizziness caused him to be in a two-year coma. Lazarus looks like an awful lot of effort for that, though, but I guess that's a part of Cerberus' 'all or nothing' mentality.

'Could'.

[Asch Lavigne]

Cerberus, a pro-human group, working with aliens. Ex: Sur'Kesh traitor (unexplained) and the volus Din Korlack.

[Han Shot First]

Any romance scene involving about 70% of the custom Sheps.

Realistically most custom Sheps would be lucky to spend an evening alone 'calibrating' with an issue of Fornax, let alone sleeping with Liara, Miranda, Tali, Ashley, ect.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 février 2013 - 10:56 .

[nos_astra]

k.lalh wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

There's a lot of math in this thread devoted to determining the plausibility of that contrivance. Keep up the good work.

This thread reminded me why I didn't apply into engineering. ._.

But I think I've got my math sorted out.

I just can't do mental math like I used to, so I had to go digging to find notes and formulas, and a calculator.

That impact would be impossible to survive unless Shep's armor has active exterior cooling to prevent the atmosphere around him from igniting. And the shock from that impact would be immense. The impulse Shepard would succumb to is  around -270 000 kgm/s on impact. If he made a 10 m deep crater, his body would succumb to -37 169 Gs.

He's dead.

More importantly, his brain wouldn't be in any shape or form that allows for reconstruction to the point of barely a scratch and exactly as before.

And to add insult to injury, jumping through all this hoops servesno purpose at all. There are very few characters who even react with an appropriate amount of WHAT THE HELL HERO and the most notorious ones are usually mocked and ridiculed for it because the rest of the galaxy is having a party in Shepard's reconstructed rectum. 

Modifié par klarabella, 04 février 2013 - 12:12 .

[Hexley UK]

In the EC where the Normandy lands directly in front of Harbinger to pick up the wounded while Shep and LI/friend have a farewell chat....../nuclear-facepalm.

[Indy_S]

Thinking these two women look alike. And to be honest, I think the one on the right has a better looking face. Less plasticy.

[Whitelion1284]

The human military's sudden fascination with chaps.

[ToJKa1]

ZLurps wrote...
ME3 EC
Evac scene, Harby is just sitting there while Normandy is right under it's nose. Last time I played it I couldn't help it, I started to laugh.

Yes. I saw the EC ending first time last night, and that made even less sense than those squad members just appearing on Normady in the original version. Never figured Harbinger for a pacifist

And i have to agree with Fai Ling's plot armor. A common Phantom would be more of a challenge than him without it. Bioware, next time you want a bad guy to survive an encounter, do it in a less obvious fashion, please?

[CynicalShep]

Indy_S wrote...

Thinking these two women look alike. And to be honest, I think the one on the right has a better looking face. Less plasticy.

Well, how about thinking that this



looks better than this ...

[justafan]

Every time someone doesn't recognize Shepard after ME1, especially if they are human.

Also, the Alliance ranking system.

[Indy_S]

Poor Ashley. Only able to put her hair down with an extreme amount of plastic surgery.

justafan wrote...
Also, the Alliance ranking system.

To be fair, the ranking system is fine. It's the promotions that go bizzarro.

[KingZayd]

k.lalh wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

There's a lot of math in this thread devoted to determining the plausibility of that contrivance. Keep up the good work.

This thread reminded me why I didn't apply into engineering. ._.

But I think I've got my math sorted out.

I just can't do mental math like I used to, so I had to go digging to find notes and formulas, and a calculator.

That impact would be impossible to survive unless Shep's armor has active exterior cooling to prevent the atmosphere around him from igniting. And the shock from that impact would be immense. The impulse Shepard would succumb to is  around -270 000 kgm/s on impact. If he made a 10 m deep crater, his body would succumb to -37 169 Gs.

He's dead.

Just a few things:
The gravitational field would be a lot weaker from space, and you can't simply use 0.85g as an approximation.
Instead you'd have to integrate GM/r^2 dr.

Also the heat would be generated by air resistance which would work against Shepard's velocity. So for impacts you should look at the terminal velocity of a human body in that atmosphere+gravitational field.

google tells me that on Earth the terminal velocity of a human in  a random position is about 120 miles per hour. which translates to about 54m/s. Lethal, yes. But the brain is probably not destroyed.

As for the heat, I wouldn't know how to calculate that.

Modifié par KingZayd, 04 février 2013 - 12:43 .