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aren't they re-writing that novel?
If you believe that. Then I have some prime swamp land to sell you.
Let's face it, ME:Deception is the reason no one likes Kai Leng
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:12
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If you believe that. Then I have some prime swamp land to sell you.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:23
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matt-bassist wrote...
they really did use Deception Leng for ME3, didnt they :/ or maybe Dietz got some early game info about Leng and wrote Deception Leng based off that?
Either way they ruined another character that could have been a really good villain in ME3
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:25
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I don't remember reading Deception.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:28
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Havent read it, dont like him anyway.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:33
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Indeed. The rage comic is hella dope though.Lathrim wrote...
I don't remember reading Deception.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:35
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Might I suggest building a castle on it.Kelwing wrote...
Ithurael wrote...
aren't they re-writing that novel?
If you believe that. Then I have some prime swamp land to sell you.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:36
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I never read the book. I don't care for him because:
a) "No, now it's fun."
Little to no compelling characterization.
c) "No, now it's fun."
a) "No, now it's fun."
Little to no compelling characterization.c) "No, now it's fun."
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:38
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I haven't read that novel either and i find the Kai Leng character atrocious. Badly developed villain that seems straight out of some 3th grade JRPG with some of the worst dialogue Bioware ever put into a game. Especially his taunt e-mail is hilariously bad guess they had an intern write that during a lunchbreak...
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:39
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My only exposure to KL has been thru ME3, right from the get go i had him pegged as a farcical, pirouetteing space ninja, i'm not sure my opinion of the character could be any lower.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:48
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I guess I don't see why sooo many people hate kai leng. I mean, was he better in retribution? I would say yes, but it isn't that illogical to assume he lost his **** when his legs were shot by Anderson and he wanted revenge, which ended up partially failing.
Then in deception the only woman (perhaps only thing besides Cerberus) he ever loved is killed. Probably not helping his mentality.
I felt like, at the very least, he got the job done. He was someone, after reading all of the novels, who i wanted to defeat. And I felt like ME3 did that more.
Then in deception the only woman (perhaps only thing besides Cerberus) he ever loved is killed. Probably not helping his mentality.
I felt like, at the very least, he got the job done. He was someone, after reading all of the novels, who i wanted to defeat. And I felt like ME3 did that more.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:50
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For sure BioWare dropped the ball on Leng in Mass Effect 3. He should have far better than Saren ever was, but yet he wasn't anywhere near that level.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 03:55
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I am telling you...that encounter = the Worf effectDominusVita wrote...
I never read the book. I don't care for him because:
a) "No, now it's fun."
c) "No, now it's fun."
#39
Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:08
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Jadebaby wrote...
What's deception?
An evil book written by a bad writer
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:08
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it is a novel...Jadebaby wrote...
What's deception?
Deception is to the other ME novels what ME3's ending is to the rest of the series....if not worse
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:09
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crimzontearz wrote...
I do not know what is wrong with Bioware's quality control latelyZLurps wrote...
I thought it wasn't possible to make Leng worse than Diez did, but ME3 proved I was wrong about that.
Worse, he is a concentrate of bad stereotypes, aggrivaring mechanics and dumb rule of cool wrapped in stupid plot armor. It is good to have a villain to hate but he needs to be hated for the right reasons
Q&A can be pain in the ass if you just want to make things happen.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:11
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It's because Leng is nothing but an inflated ego.
What has he done in the game? Nothing. Did he kill the mark during the Citadel incursion, even though he had the perfect opportunity? No, gotta have to look fabulous and give the victim time to realize just how screwed it is ... woups, stalemate, not gonna be able to kill victim. BUT I AM STILL KAI LENG AND THAT MAKES ME SUPERIOUR DURRRRR!
Did he even remotely challenged Shepard in terms of gameplay? Nope, cutscene power to the max and demonic bat reinforcements in form of a couple Phantoms plus other mooks is what makes his fights "dangerous".
He's a pushover wannabie with a sword. So basically like every eleven year old youngster who just saw a Ninja Turtles movie, thinking all the world revolves around him and his shiny stick.
Kai Leng is THE worst antagonist of the entire series bar none. I may like most of the game bar the endings and even find the endings acceptable, but Kai Leng is simply atrocious writing in my opinion.
And I won't even think about Deception, that "novel" is a pile of **** with errors that make you wonder if the author actually knew anything about the universe other than its franchise name!
What has he done in the game? Nothing. Did he kill the mark during the Citadel incursion, even though he had the perfect opportunity? No, gotta have to look fabulous and give the victim time to realize just how screwed it is ... woups, stalemate, not gonna be able to kill victim. BUT I AM STILL KAI LENG AND THAT MAKES ME SUPERIOUR DURRRRR!
Did he even remotely challenged Shepard in terms of gameplay? Nope, cutscene power to the max and demonic bat reinforcements in form of a couple Phantoms plus other mooks is what makes his fights "dangerous".
He's a pushover wannabie with a sword. So basically like every eleven year old youngster who just saw a Ninja Turtles movie, thinking all the world revolves around him and his shiny stick.
Kai Leng is THE worst antagonist of the entire series bar none. I may like most of the game bar the endings and even find the endings acceptable, but Kai Leng is simply atrocious writing in my opinion.
And I won't even think about Deception, that "novel" is a pile of **** with errors that make you wonder if the author actually knew anything about the universe other than its franchise name!
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:12
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so what you are saying is either Bioware did not care or those who OK'd the book were just dumb?ZLurps wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
I do not know what is wrong with Bioware's quality control latelyZLurps wrote...
I thought it wasn't possible to make Leng worse than Diez did, but ME3 proved I was wrong about that.
Worse, he is a concentrate of bad stereotypes, aggrivaring mechanics and dumb rule of cool wrapped in stupid plot armor. It is good to have a villain to hate but he needs to be hated for the right reasons
Q&A can be pain in the ass if you just want to make things happen.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:13
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I didn't read the book and I still thought Kai Leng was lame in ME3.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:13
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Jadebaby wrote...
What's deception?
Nothing you need to concern yourself with.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:16
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Ithurael wrote...
aren't they re-writing that novel?
they said it loong agoooooooo.... abouuuut yeaaaaar agoooooooo
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:17
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Applepie_Svk wrote...
Ithurael wrote...
aren't they re-writing that novel?
they said it loong agoooooooo.... abouuuut yeaaaaar agoooooooo
The rewrite will come free with every copy of Half Life 3.
#48
Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:18
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Oh *that* Deception... That was a great book, Dietz really knows how to write, I especially loved the part with the Volus auction on Kaarshan.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:18
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I've never read deception (and never will) and I have no problem with Kai Leng. He wasn't a fantastic character either but then again, he was barely a minor antagonist.
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Posté 02 février 2013 - 04:20
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crimzontearz wrote...
so what you are saying is either Bioware did not care or those who OK'd the book were just dumb?ZLurps wrote...
crimzontearz wrote...
I do not know what is wrong with Bioware's quality control latelyZLurps wrote...
I thought it wasn't possible to make Leng worse than Diez did, but ME3 proved I was wrong about that.
Worse, he is a concentrate of bad stereotypes, aggrivaring mechanics and dumb rule of cool wrapped in stupid plot armor. It is good to have a villain to hate but he needs to be hated for the right reasons
Q&A can be pain in the ass if you just want to make things happen.
From BW's point of view it just might have been that they had contract with book publisher for four novels. After Drew left, their main priority might have been just fullfilling their part of the contract.
