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[Dunabar]

I've seen enough people mention this that I feel its time to make a topic for it, though it may have been mentioned in the past as well.

So as we know there is the ability to either make peace between Quarians and Geth or Destroy one of them. This is all well and good except for one issue...Geth pretty much get a sweeter deal all around.

Quarians get to return to Rannoch either through peace or destruction of the Geth - All well and good, I wanted to return them to Rannoch anyways since Mass effect 1.

However the Geth get this sweet deal of Individuality (Only time I actually consider them alive), stay on Rannoch, and basically survive their conflict with the Quarians.

So to me it clearly comes down to this.

Talk the quarians down peacefully - Geth get free will
Threaten the quarians with death - Geth get free will
Destroy the quarians - Geth get free will
Quarians survive - Geth are destroyed

Seems a little unfair to me. The only thing I can figure as to why the option of not return the Geth to the control of the Quarians, was mainly to invoke more drama to choosing Destroy ending at the end. However I think it would have made for an interesting part of the story (even at the end if the catalyst could have brought up the rewrite/enslavement of the Geth to the organic quarians again) if the player can have picked to rewrite/enslave the Geth.

I mean if the quarians are going to be made out to be the aggressors, couldn't the renegade option or maybe the option wheel take players on a path that would rewrite/enslave the geth? I mean heck why not go all out with the whole aggressors thing? I don't consider the Geth to be alive, so to me its no more than just rewritting the computers again. But again I think this may have been left out purely to invoke more drama with the destroy ending, however joke is on all pro-geth folks as I destroy the geth even before destroy ending. So I only sacrifice 1 (maybe 2) things to destroy the reapers and still get my "Shep -may- be alive" breath scene.

Where do you all stand though on the whole lack of ability to rewrite/enslave the geth to the quarians again?

[Samtheman63]

shouldnt have started shooting geth for asking a question, then start to attack them again on the brink of war with the reapers

quarians are very lucky, if it didn't give me more war assests i would kill them without hesitation

stupid suit rats

Modifié par Samtheman63, 02 février 2013 - 11:12 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Who cares? Admiral Xen's voice is hot.

I support Xen's research to take control fo the Geth.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 02 février 2013 - 11:20 .

[rowan93]

That would have been pretty interesting, maybe Legion could live if you rewrote them but at the cost of him losing who he is or becoming a drone. Though would the quarians risk having the geth as work units again? Something tells me if they had them under control they would lead them one by one into a furnace to ensure Rannoch belongs to the quarians.

[KiwiQuiche]

The geth think and question their own existence. To want enslave them is despicable and I wish I could gank Xen.

Though I didn't like the fact the geth became "truly alive" by having individual minds. I liked their hive-mind society.

[justafan]

Should have been an option. The Super Renegade way to get all the war assets, similar to how you can talk down Mordin and get both full Krogan and Salarian aid. It was more or less alluded to through Xen, and though I haven't played Overlord, I believe that that mission showed there are ways to hack the Geth.

[thehomeworld]

If anything the geth will end up controlling the Quarians interface with enough suits means they can control those suits even the amount of antibiotics they do or don't get literally caging them in their suits as they depend on them for life the only alternative would be to get out of your suit and its protections and die and that would be considering the geth don't place a lock down on your suits emergency release mechanisms.

They could have twice the army they once had and use the high jacked Quarians to infiltrate areas the geth clearly would be noticed in. I'm sure in a few years after gaining the Quarian people's trust they'll turn on them and claim to the broader world it was in self defense.

[DWH1982]

Yes, I think working with Xen to control the geth should have been an option. Maybe it's viability could depend in part on your actions during ME2, though? I'm not entirely sure how to work that in with the options for solving Tali's mission in ME2, but I'm sure there's a way.

This isn't an option I would use for my canon, but it is something that would have been nice to have for "experiment" playthroughs.

[DirtySHISN0]

They already had control of the Geth before and look what happened. The quarians as a race need to mature more. They're too rash.


Also, wants to enslave all Geth, but chooses destroy because of the exact opposite principles?

I chuckled heartily.

[Dunabar]

Samtheman63 wrote...

shouldnt have started shooting geth for asking a question, then start to attack them again on the brink of war with the reapers

quarians are very lucky, if it didn't give me more war assests i would kill them without hesitation

stupid suit rats

Hmm some people want to treat the Geth like living creatures but yet don't want to hold them responsible for their major screw ups. Proud to say I'm part of the counter group to your stance.

Noted and respected.

[Dunabar]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Who cares? Admiral Xen's voice is hot.

I support Xen's research to take control fo the Geth.

So very true that her voice is hot. While I still think Xen is nuts and I live in the "Destroy them" Han'Gerrel camp. I would still support the option to taking control of the Geth.

[Dunabar]

rowan93 wrote...

That would have been pretty interesting, maybe Legion could live if you rewrote them but at the cost of him losing who he is or becoming a drone. Though would the quarians risk having the geth as work units again? Something tells me if they had them under control they would lead them one by one into a furnace to ensure Rannoch belongs to the quarians.

Very possible, however this could have also saved the Geth from Destroy ending -IF- the Destroy ending only targetted Reaper code. As I am fairly certain it doesn't target only reaper code, it would have been nice if peace between the two races could have been left to just "We're using the Geth as tools like they were meant to be". Either way it would have been interesting.

[Dunabar]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The geth think and question their own existence. To want enslave them is despicable and I wish I could gank Xen.

Though I didn't like the fact the geth became "truly alive" by having individual minds. I liked their hive-mind society.

See this is why I used rewrite/enslave.

I would figure anyone who didn't see the Geth as anything other than computers would deem this nothing more than rewrite. Only the people who thought the Geth were alive would consider it enslavement. Its pretty much just like the actual conflict itself of "Are the Geth alive or not?" It comes down simply to opinion.

[Dunabar]

justafan wrote...

Should have been an option. The Super Renegade way to get all the war assets, similar to how you can talk down Mordin and get both full Krogan and Salarian aid. It was more or less alluded to through Xen, and though I haven't played Overlord, I believe that that mission showed there are ways to hack the Geth.

It's been awhile since I did the Overlord mission, but I do believe you're correct that its proven that its possible to hack the Geth. Legion has already shown us its possible to rewrite the so called "heretics", so I wouldn't figure that rewriting the so called "Non-heretics" would be any different.

[Dunabar]

DWH1982 wrote...

Yes, I think working with Xen to control the geth should have been an option. Maybe it's viability could depend in part on your actions during ME2, though? I'm not entirely sure how to work that in with the options for solving Tali's mission in ME2, but I'm sure there's a way.

This isn't an option I would use for my canon, but it is something that would have been nice to have for "experiment" playthroughs.

Exactly! My canon Shep will always destroy the Geth, even if there was an option to enslave them, but thats just because how I feel my canon Shepard would be. The idea of just having that option would have been nice for another one of my other Shepards.

[TheGinosaji]

The morning war was a direct result of the Quarians efforts to maintain control. Rewriting the Geth to be under Quarian control is just asking for history to repeat itself.

Also, if the Geth had not decided to break pursuit, the Quarians would already be extinct. They may not be so lucky a second time.

[Dunabar]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

They already had control of the Geth before and look what happened. The quarians as a race need to mature more. They're too rash.


Also, wants to enslave all Geth, but chooses destroy because of the exact opposite principles?

I chuckled heartily.

Alright I will try to make this simple for you.

For those who don't value the the activity/life of the Geth, this is just their way of getting the benefits of "saving them" even if its just to use them. But by the way you go about things, I'm going to guess you're not a destroy ending person or you're just someone who values the geth just enough to stick it to the quarians one way or another.

So incased you missed it again, I will make it perfectly clear - The option to use the Geth like tools before sending them off to a firy death.

So my question for you is this - If Destroy was the only option for the ending; Would you rather (A) Let the geth die with free will and without knowledge that they would be wiped out or ( Kill them off without them being anything more than mindless tools? If you ask me, destroying them when they're rewritten/enslaved seems pretty merciful and at least not an absolute slap in the face.

[Dunabar]

TheGinosaji wrote...

The morning war was a direct result of the Quarians efforts to maintain control. Rewriting the Geth to be under Quarian control is just asking for history to repeat itself.

Also, if the Geth had not decided to break pursuit, the Quarians would already be extinct. They may not be so lucky a second time.

Maybe, maybe not. The Quarians have advanced since the morning war, its possible they could maintain control a lot better this time around than they did prior. Its all a what if, or a maybe, or whatever. But it would have still been an interesting option to take.

[TheGinosaji]

Dunabar wrote...
The Quarians have advanced since the morning war

As have the Geth.

[TheGinosaji]

Also, the Quarians as a whole abandoned synthetics / AI research for roughly 300 years. I doubt they're any better equipped to handle AIs.

[DirtySHISN0]

Dunabar wrote...

So incased you missed it again, I will make it perfectly clear - The option to use the Geth like tools before sending them off to a firy death.

There, i made it simple for you;

How is that any different to what the reapers want to do to all organics?


Also, to answer your question, i don't even play past chronos station anymore because of the poor culmination of all choices - So how would destroy being the only option change that in any way.

[Dunabar]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

So incased you missed it again, I will make it perfectly clear - The option to use the Geth like tools before sending them off to a firy death.

There, i made it simple for you;

How is that any different to what the reapers want to do to all organics?


Also, to answer your question, i don't even play past chronos station anymore because of the poor culmination of all choices - So how would destroy being the only option change that in any way.

 I don't value synthetic life, so to me its destruction of both my enemies. Only difference between my prefered path now and that of this "wishful path" is that one at least offers the option to get the benefit of keeping the Geth around just long enough to be useful to me. However not feed into the Geth supporter phase of "They deserve free will!" Because I honestly don't believe they do deserve it.

Now, seeing as you don't play beyond chrono station anything beyond this point is pointless. So whatever your choice or opinions may be. I will respect them and most likely disagree with most of them.

Modifié par Dunabar, 03 février 2013 - 12:57 .

[Dunabar]

TheGinosaji wrote...

Also, the Quarians as a whole abandoned synthetics / AI research for roughly 300 years. I doubt they're any better equipped to handle AIs.

Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

[4stringwizard]

Controlling the Geth should have been an option. It would have been a great "renegade" outcome, and it was strongly hinted at in ME2.

[Red Dust]

The Quarians already had their shot at the helm of The Geth and blew it bigtime. I'd destroy the Geth before handing the reigns back to The Quarians. That's not to say it shouldn't be an option. More options are better, and it is an interesting one.