shodiswe wrote...
I doubt they would actualy cover the whole sun they could leave enough of an opening for the planets and asteroids of the star system. It also makes mining easier if your tools and synthetic bodyparts arn't affected by supercold that causes additional strain on them and makes it easier for them to break.
Planets only need a very very tiny fraction of a massive stars output.
But the point of this all is that neither side deserves to be safe more than the other. Either they work it out or nother of them really deserves to be part of the galactic community.
The Quarrians are agressive fachists whos politics are determined by the Admiralty, whose courts are run by the admiralty, who got no formal laws other than the disgression of the Admiralty. The Laws are whatever fancies the Admiralty board. The general idea of being a lawabiding Quarrain Citizen is to obey the Admiralty and remember to keep the best of the Quarrian people and the Admiralty in mind, and your Captain.
The Geth are like the Isolationistic China that got stalled behind their great wall and gunpoint Isolationist policy. But given the traumas they have experienced it's only reasonable for them to want to keep other people away from them. When they watch the perimeter outside Geth territory they probably see a Chaotic mess like the Walking Dead from a horror movie. It's shoot or get shot!
They are probably weary of any claims of diplomatic missions aswell, the Quarrians probably used that as a ruse in the mourning wars. We want to talk, then the Quarrian sympathisers would let the fachists in and the fachists would start shooting once they got inside and got a chance to clean out the sympatisers and Geth that they might be holding. Either that or blast the whole building. If they were anything like Admiral Gerrel then I wouldn't put it past them.
They both have issues to work out and I wouldn't want to pick between one of them. If I pick the Quarrians it feels all wrong, excepth may if there was that VI Legion the fake Legion. But that's a failure on Shepards part to begin with.
If I pick the Geth then I help them agaisnt an agressive invader that saw a galactic extimction and considered that a good "opportunity" to move without Citadel council intervention. Who now makes their second attempt to annihilate another species, Hitler style, thinking the political backlash of going agaisnt the councils wishes are worth it. After all the victor writes history and they intend to make sure theirs will be the only history that gets told.
We know that both the Quarrians and the Geth want's and needs the Perseus Veil, it's the only home for both of them, and nether wants to yield military superiority and their own peoples safety to the other, both wants to control the Primary relays. Both want's to protect their people.
Either they have to make peace, which is hard given the distrust from both sides or one has to give in, which is unlikely to happen voluntarily.
The quarrians could have settled another Dextro planet, it woudl have taken them a cnetury or two to adapt.
But they would "prefer" their homeworld since it would only tak decades. They have spend almost three HUNDRED years preparing for a war to retake the homeworld. They could already have had a new homeworld if they had tried to accomplish that instead. But, unfortunately, that's not the Quarrian way.
Both species are stuck in their way's and their political views and ethics are crap.
The Quarrians from the mourningwar have all died out but they passed along their biased and Censured history to their children, stoking the flames of war.
A lot of the Geth from the same era are still alive, some are newer Geth who wern't there. They know history from the experiences and memories of a newly born child gestalt that was getting shot at for no apparent reason. Other than asking about the wonders of being alive. From their perspecitve the Organics of the galaxy must look like the horrors from the walking dead or left for dead.
They research them and try to understand them from the safety of their isolation, probing the extranet. Tryign to understand how these strange beings work. And why they might want to kill Geth.
What changed thigns was the Reaper threat, it has forced both the Geth and Quarrians to Reassess their positions. The Geth sent Legion to investigate the outside world, the Quarrians prepared to attack the Geth..
All has already been said, I have nothing more to add to this debate, but enslaving the Geth is probably the worst idea I've ever heard. Also I don't feel like continuing this since all has already been said. But I thoguht I should add this area of space isn't jsut important to the Quarrians, it's just as important to the Geth's survival, and the Quarrians would never allow the Geth to control Relays or any instalations near Rannoch. Least not until you make peace between them.
A dyson sphere would still absorb vast ammounts of solar energy, which Rannoch, having no inscet life, needs desperately. It's an arid world. They only repopulate by having mamals carry the seeds, and with the quarians gone, the number of mamals is small. Taking away the solar energy like that will harm the environment of Rannoch, as the plants that are already struggling to survive without the quarians will be deprived of alot of solar energy. The geth were going to build the dyson bubble around the entire star. Like a massive spherical web around it. It would be taking energy from all directions, so YES, it would be taking alot of the energy that Rannoch used to get.
And again, completely wrong. They are a race that constantly toters on the brink of extinction. "One hull breach away" as Tali says in the Alerei. They are desperate to survive, scrounging on the scraps that the galaxy leaves them, and shunned by the Council. Aggrassive fachists are the
last thing they are.
And again, you are wrong. Quarian policiy is determined by TWO powers - the Admiralty Board, which makes the executive decisions, and the Quarian Conclave, which acts as a quarian Senate, where all ships have voice in the matter. The conclave decides policy, AND where to go, AND typacally act as courts, UNLESS in cases of fleet-wide treason (bringing geth intp the fleet). In other words: the invasion of Rannoch could not have been possible unless both parties agreed. So NO, the Admiralty Board does NOT dictate the Migrant Fleet.
And you got something wrong on the geth as well. They were simply tired of dealing with organics. It wasn't that they cared, only that it was a hassle.
The quarians were unlikely to risk anything pertaining to negotiations. They still didn't think of the geth as truly sentiant, remember?
And the quarians that resisted were a minor number compaired to the number the geth killed, and again, disbanded early in the war. I again point you to Adas, where a mining colony was slaughtered.
And if they were anything like Gerrel, then friendly casulties is the ABSOLUTE LAST thing they'd want. Gerrel cares more about other quarian lives then his own. It's the entire reason he shoots the Dreadnought: to keep his people from getting killed by it.
NITHER side feels "wrong" to support. The quarians got shafted by Council policy, and by the geth being too overzelous. The geth got shafted by the quarians being afarid, and by their own self-isolation. They BOTH brought this down, but BOTH have COMPLETELY JUSTIFIABLE reasons. They both acted out of desperation, in a domino chain of effect. The quarians are just as justifiable as the geth are.
Gerrel is only agressive because his people are on the Brink, in a galaxy that's being invaded, and the only they can survive is if the suddenly become self-sufficant. Rannoch is the key to that. Rannoch is their LAST HOPE.
And you are AGAIN dead wrong. The quarians did theis because they COULDN'T help the Council OTHERWISE.
If you try to use the treaty the quarians signed, DON'T. The Council's little peace agreement went out the window when the geth attacked the Citadel. Heretics or not, the Council never withdrew the state of war they declaired on the geth. So because the geth are still listed as Council Enemies, any attack is perfectly fine.
If you try to bring up the Treaty of Farixan, DON'T. That's a plothole, as since the quarians were kicked from the Citadel Conventions, they, like the batarians, are no longer under the juristiction of Council Laws. Therefore, the Treaty of Farixan doesn't apply to them, so arming the liveships into dreadnoughts is not prohibited for them.
And the quarians would never be able to HELP the other races unless they became self-sufficant. This was as much so that they COULD help the Council as it was helping themselves, so
enough of your BS about them being out for themselves. They would NEVER be able to contribute to the war effort unless self-sufficant, and free of any threat to their civilians. There are a dozen posts by Me and DenionSlayer detailing this that you seem to continuly refuse to acknowlodge.
And given the light the Heretics cast the geth in, everyone is thinking that Hitler motief of the GETH. Only Shepard and Company knew the difference, and Shepard's word was inadmissable as evidence, because the Commander was being tried for working with Cerberus, and for destroying the Alpha Relay. So if anything, had they asked for a poll, they would have likely had every race
chearing them. The quarians are NOT some minipultive shadow group. They are a nomadic people that just want their home back, and just want to live. Sure, it's wrong to fault the geth for the same. But after the Heretic's attacks, and the branding of them as open enemies of the galaxy, no one else cares anymore. They still think the geth are Reaper allies, and if anything, the Heretic's attacks would make the galaxy believe that the quarians were always in the right about the geth being a threat.
And AGAIN, there are MORE then one Primary Relay. The geth had this option always. They had it in the Morning War, and the 300 years after. There were other neighboring systems they could have lived in. And besides, since the geth never leave the Veil, why would they need the primarys anyway? If they never planned to leave the Veil, why keep control of thr primarys? And again, more then one primary, so giving away the one in the Tikkun (Rannoch) system isn't detrimental at all.
And they can just remain neighbors, like the turians and humans.
And again, on any other dextro world, a suit rupture is a
death sentance. It's
NOT on Rannoch. And the the Council would never willingly give them any quarter. Again:
(a) they could never get a world that the Council would let them keep.
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they would STILL be adapting to the forgien atmosphere to this day if so.
© local fauna wouldn't be edible in the first centruy, so they would have to make shipping requests, or trade on the Black Market, or Gray Market.
(d) all other dextro worlds are either claimed by the turians, or on the Council's watch list.
If by not the quarian way, you meant and aversion to SUICIDE, then yes, that isn't the quarian way. Because your idea is suicide for them. The Council isn't even concidering them worth a damn. The majority of worlds out there are levio-amino acid based. There are hardly any dextro-amino worlds out there that the turians havent taken.
If the quarians had found a world, they would have TAKEN it.
And they DIDN'T pass on any history. The geth destroyed all their ansestoral archives. Only recant knowladge was taken from Rannoch. They were dirven from their world overzelously, and lost 99% of their race. And the Council did squat to help them
. The
Council and the
geth gave them their views, NOT their ancestors. And their views are of desperation, living day to day for
300 years, in a fleet that, as revealed in Mass Effect: Ascention, is about eighty years from becoming completely defunct in terms of housing their race.
What I do agree to is that the geth vilinized the other races based on their own experences, but I'm telling you that you cannot blame the quarians for that. They were scared of a Council retaliation for haveing created A.I.s.
And the geth didn't start such experements into organics until after Shepard defeated Sovergien. Until then, the galaxy could burn if it ment retaining their quiet isolation.
It's frustrating to me that you have the correct premise, but still get many details incorrect in regards to the motivations and reasoning of the quarians. The geth are the ones that could have survived without Rannoch, as there are other primaries they could have gone to. The quarians need it spicifcially, wheras the geth can survive without a world in general.
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