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[ForThessia]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Who cares? Admiral Xen's voice is hot.

I support Xen's research to take control fo the Geth.

[CynicalShep]

Should have been an option, agreed. Kill Geth/Quarians and make peace/control them. Would have made for a good renegade option and slightly increased replay value. That being said, I wouldn't trust Quarians to control a hand puppet, nevermind being crazy enough to give them control of the Geth AGAIN. I'd rather they took a couple more centuries to learn some military basics and maybe even develop basic self-preservation instincts. Like Mordin put it: "too much knowledge without ethical boundaries".

[DirtySHISN0]

Dunabar wrote...
I don't value synthetic life, so to me its destruction of both my enemies. Only difference between my prefered path now and that of this "wishful path" is that one at least offers the option to get the benefit of keeping the Geth around just long enough to be useful to me. However not feed into the Geth supporter phase of "They deserve free will!" Because I honestly don't believe they do deserve it.

Now, seeing as you don't play beyond chrono station anything beyond this point is pointless. So whatever your choice or opinions may be. I will respect them and most likely disagree with most of them.

You highlighted the question and missed the point.

You choose destroy to stop the big bad reapers (who dont value organic life) from enslaving and destroying organics while at the same time advocate enslavement and destruction of synthetics (because you dont value synthetic life).

[Hurbster]

I brokered peace and destroyed the geth anyway. You know because that was my favourite colour.

[Auld Wulf]

And people wonder why I consider the quarian military and fans thereof to be dribbling crazies with fascism fantasies.

Case in point: The OP. Seriously, did anyone read that thing?

I feel ever more and more justified in my opinion as a pro-geth person.

[Auld Wulf]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

That is the best possible response to this thread, and a great character delivering it, too. Really, some people just have these crazy, obsessive control fetishes that scare me. What the OP says about non-natural life just screams worrying mental troubles, which is something I get from all quarian military fans.

This thread has just done so much to justify my feelings, and solidify my position. I mean, sure, people can agree with the OP if they like - but it doesn't make them look good. Or sane.

I guess it's just a matter of crazy liking crazy. They probably support the quarian military sending their now-gun-equipped civilian ships out to die, to save the glorious military. I mean... really. I have nothing agains the quarian civlians, but the military and fans thereof just give me hives.

[Indy_S]

The difference is a philosophical one. Is it enough for independent thought to equal life? There's no right answer to that. And if you think no, believing them to be on par with vacuum cleaners, the rest of your line of thinking isn't so difficult to justify. However, I believe yes to that question.

[MetalGear312]

In the Geth/Quarian war scenario I would have Destroyed the Geth simply because I would have no way of knowing whether peace was possible or not, that and Legions personal values had degraded so much that he was willing to use Reaper code just because the end result looked "Pretty" and was "Indicative of life." If I had the option to rewrite the Geth would I? I would consider it but as it stands if I had not known that you could broker peace I would just torch the bastards.

[DoodlyDangus]

I only spared both the Quarians and Geth since I benefit the most from such an outcome. I think both fighting the Reapers is an opportunity too useful to pass up.

[Hazegurl]

I harbor no sympathizes for the Geth or Quarians but if I can't broker peace between then I opt to destroy the Quarians. Why? Cause they blew up a ship with me on it. That simple. I could careless about their home world. I sure as heck don't want to die for it. Also, the Quarians don't deserve to control the Geth. They did before and look what happened to them. I don't mind the option being there for fans who do but I think that would be a stupid thing to do. Would you plan to fight the Geth to save the Quarian's butts once the Geth attack again? I sure don't. I say close their mass relay and let the Geth finish what they started if that's the case.

[Red Dust]

Hazegurl wrote...

I harbor no sympathizes for the Geth or Quarians but if I can't broker peace between then I opt to destroy the Quarians. Why? Cause they blew up a ship with me on it. That simple. I could careless about their home world. I sure as heck don't want to die for it. Also, the Quarians don't deserve to control the Geth. They did before and look what happened to them. I don't mind the option being there for fans who do but I think that would be a stupid thing to do. Would you plan to fight the Geth to save the Quarian's butts once the Geth attack again? I sure don't. I say close their mass relay and let the Geth finish what they started if that's the case.

The Geth have been activly trying to kill you for three games. The Quarians attack a ship with you on it, confident that you'd escape (and you do).

Seems legit.

[Kataphrut94]

This is a very...negative thread. Aren't there enough opportunities in this game to **** people over?

"Hey, we have this option to let you recruit both the geth and the quarians without killing either of them. It's harder to unlock and you have to have set it up in Mass Effect 2, but it ensures a happy ending for everyone!"

"Hmm...no, that's gay. Where's the unjustified irrational douchebag option for rank sociopaths?"

"This isn't Mass Effect 1 anymore. We've moved on from that way of thinking."

"RAAHRGABLAB ENSLAVE GENOCIDE RAPE LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!!"

Modifié par Kataphrut94, 03 février 2013 - 07:38 .

[TheGinosaji]

Dunabar wrote...
Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

Rael'Zorah's attempts got everyone on the Alarei killed. Dero'Xen does have potential, but there's no doubt in my mind it would end in exactly the same way as both the Morning War and the Alarei. I suppose it would be "interesting" to see the Quarians risk extinction a third time, but not because it would be a surprise.

[Dunabar]

TheGinosaji wrote...

Dunabar wrote...
Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

Rael'Zorah's attempts got everyone on the Alarei killed. Dero'Xen does have potential, but there's no doubt in my mind it would end in exactly the same way as both the Morning War and the Alarei. I suppose it would be "interesting" to see the Quarians risk extinction a third time, but not because it would be a surprise.

True it did in fact get everyone killed on the Alarei with the way Rael went about it. However Xen could very well achieve this possibility after the quarians deployed their "flash bang" weapon on the Geth. Without the reaper code upgrades, this leaves the geth open for final rewrite just like it leaves them for final destruction at the hands of the quarians.

Could this lead to another morning war? Sure. However, the same could be said with the "free individual geth". You run the risk on either side of the fence.

[Dunabar]

Hazegurl wrote...

I harbor no sympathizes for the Geth or Quarians but if I can't broker peace between then I opt to destroy the Quarians. Why? Cause they blew up a ship with me on it. That simple. I could careless about their home world. I sure as heck don't want to die for it. Also, the Quarians don't deserve to control the Geth. They did before and look what happened to them. I don't mind the option being there for fans who do but I think that would be a stupid thing to do. Would you plan to fight the Geth to save the Quarian's butts once the Geth attack again? I sure don't. I say close their mass relay and let the Geth finish what they started if that's the case.

The idea is the option to do so. Nobody holds a gun to anyones head and says you have to do one thing or the other. My canon Shepard always sides with only the quarians, my pure paragon & renegade shepards though always broker peace between the two. So in the very end things could look like this..

Side with the Geth - Geth get free will
Paragon peace - Geth get free will & Quarians return to Rannoch
Side with the Quarains - Quarians return to Rannoch
Renegade peace - Geth are rewritten/enslaved & Quarians return to Rannoch

This seems like a pretty balanced way of pleasing both Pro-Quarian & Pro-Geth fans. Yes Geth fans may not like the idea of doing such, but there is nobody holding a gun to their head to do so. Hell bioware could have even gone a step farther and put a splash of paragon and renegade in both "Geth free will" peace & "Rewrite/enslave the geth" peace. Where there is a will, there is a way. Sadly however I'm uncertain if there is a way this late in the game and most likely we will never see it. While it does bite a bit, its something I accept. However if the option would have been there, I think it would have sparked some very interesting story telling later on.

[CynicalShep]

Dunabar wrote...

TheGinosaji wrote...

Dunabar wrote...
Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

Rael'Zorah's attempts got everyone on the Alarei killed. Dero'Xen does have potential, but there's no doubt in my mind it would end in exactly the same way as both the Morning War and the Alarei. I suppose it would be "interesting" to see the Quarians risk extinction a third time, but not because it would be a surprise.

True it did in fact get everyone killed on the Alarei with the way Rael went about it. However Xen could very well achieve this possibility after the quarians deployed their "flash bang" weapon on the Geth. Without the reaper code upgrades, this leaves the geth open for final rewrite just like it leaves them for final destruction at the hands of the quarians.

Could this lead to another morning war? Sure. However, the same could be said with the "free individual geth". You run the risk on either side of the fence.

Unless one of the sides stops being revenge-driven and consider ending this conflict without casualties

[Dunabar]

Auld Wulf wrote...
That is the best possible response to this thread, and a great character delivering it, too. Really, some people just have these crazy, obsessive control fetishes that scare me. What the OP says about non-natural life just screams worrying mental troubles, which is something I get from all quarian military fans.

This thread has just done so much to justify my feelings, and solidify my position. I mean, sure, people can agree with the OP if they like - but it doesn't make them look good. Or sane.

I guess it's just a matter of crazy liking crazy. They probably support the quarian military sending their now-gun-equipped civilian ships out to die, to save the glorious military. I mean... really. I have nothing agains the quarian civlians, but the military and fans thereof just give me hives.

I didn't make this thread to please the Pro-Geth players. Anyone whose seen my position in the past on the quarians and geth conflict, would know very well that I'm strongly anti-geth. However I sport this mark proudly just like a Pro-Geth supporter would sport theirs proudly. I do believe Xen is an absolute nut and I side with Han'Gerrel to just kill the geth outright, so rewrite/enslave the geth in my main Shepard just won't happen, I did establish this however in a post prior to this. However, if I wanted to experience this choice with another playthrough it could have been interesting.

I can also say that giving the machines that have constantly shot at Shepard for all three games, this "Individuality" could be insane as well. There is risk in both camps of "free the geth" or "rewrite/enslave the geth." The idea of siding in either of these camps can be seen as an act of trust we place in the main race thats being aided. Paragon could be seen giving trust to the geth to take greater steps in ensuring peace with the quarians. Renegade could be seen as giving the quarians trust to not repeat the past again. Either way, one side gets a little more trust placed in it.

Also for this part that I bolded. Let me ask you one simple question (Answer if you like, I do not hold a gun to your head to do so)

In a time of war with the Reapers, had the quarians not bothered with the Geth prior or during the Reaper invasion. Do you really think the Reapers would care one way or another if the civilian ships are armed? And with that, where do you suspect these civilian ships to hide if the Geth didn't let the quarians return to Rannoch?

[Dunabar]

CynicalShep wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

TheGinosaji wrote...

Dunabar wrote...
Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

Rael'Zorah's attempts got everyone on the Alarei killed. Dero'Xen does have potential, but there's no doubt in my mind it would end in exactly the same way as both the Morning War and the Alarei. I suppose it would be "interesting" to see the Quarians risk extinction a third time, but not because it would be a surprise.

True it did in fact get everyone killed on the Alarei with the way Rael went about it. However Xen could very well achieve this possibility after the quarians deployed their "flash bang" weapon on the Geth. Without the reaper code upgrades, this leaves the geth open for final rewrite just like it leaves them for final destruction at the hands of the quarians.

Could this lead to another morning war? Sure. However, the same could be said with the "free individual geth". You run the risk on either side of the fence.

Unless one of the sides stops being revenge-driven and consider ending this conflict without casualties

As seen by the Geth VI if the "Legion" Platform doesn't make it through the suicide mission. The Geth can be just as cruel and unforgiving as that of the Quarians that people love to trash.

[Dunabar]

Indy_S wrote...

The difference is a philosophical one. Is it enough for independent thought to equal life? There's no right answer to that. And if you think no, believing them to be on par with vacuum cleaners, the rest of your line of thinking isn't so difficult to justify. However, I believe yes to that question.

This is what I love about the Quarian-Geth conflict. It brings out both the best in people but also the worst.

I respect the Pro-Geth supporters greatly for their passion to see more than hardware & software. However I'm part of the group of people that doesn't share the same view. Both sides have respectable reasons and both sides should stand proudly for their belief's. Without the pro-Geth, there is no reason to be pro-Quarian. Without the pro-Quarian, there is no reason to be pro-Geth, because they're two sides of the same philosophical coin.

[Dunabar]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

I only spared both the Quarians and Geth since I benefit the most from such an outcome. I think both fighting the Reapers is an opportunity too useful to pass up.

Hence why the idea could play nicely in all of this. Pro-quarians can view using the Geth just as tools of war & Pro-Geth can see just using the quarians as cannon fodder.

[Dunabar]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

This is a very...negative thread. Aren't there enough opportunities in this game to **** people over?

"Hey, we have this option to let you recruit both the geth and the quarians without killing either of them. It's harder to unlock and you have to have set it up in Mass Effect 2, but it ensures a happy ending for everyone!"

"Hmm...no, that's gay. Where's the unjustified irrational douchebag option for rank sociopaths?"

"This isn't Mass Effect 1 anymore. We've moved on from that way of thinking."

"RAAHRGABLAB ENSLAVE GENOCIDE RAPE LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!!"

Right because everything in Mass Effect 3 is all happy sunshine and unicorns are puking up rainbows of joy. Every story has its positives and negatives. You won't escape it unless you ignore it, in which case you didn't ignore this one.



Maybe read the topic name before clicking?

[CynicalShep]

Dunabar wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

Dunabar wrote...

TheGinosaji wrote...

Dunabar wrote...
Rael'Zorah and Dero'Xen seemed to have some sort of interest in reclaiming the Geth (or Rael was just interested in testing weapons against them). While I doubt it would be perfect, its possible they could do it once again. It would still be an interesting option to experience, to see where things would lead.

Rael'Zorah's attempts got everyone on the Alarei killed. Dero'Xen does have potential, but there's no doubt in my mind it would end in exactly the same way as both the Morning War and the Alarei. I suppose it would be "interesting" to see the Quarians risk extinction a third time, but not because it would be a surprise.

True it did in fact get everyone killed on the Alarei with the way Rael went about it. However Xen could very well achieve this possibility after the quarians deployed their "flash bang" weapon on the Geth. Without the reaper code upgrades, this leaves the geth open for final rewrite just like it leaves them for final destruction at the hands of the quarians.

Could this lead to another morning war? Sure. However, the same could be said with the "free individual geth". You run the risk on either side of the fence.

Unless one of the sides stops being revenge-driven and consider ending this conflict without casualties

As seen by the Geth VI if the "Legion" Platform doesn't make it through the suicide mission. The Geth can be just as cruel and unforgiving as that of the Quarians that people love to trash.

Hell, if anything Quarians are lucky Geth are not organics. If I was in their place I would have finished the job. And don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Quarian people. I just think they're spineless and they have a terrible government. How can you justify 17 millions throwing their lives away because Gerrel said so (especially since it's mentioned that most of the people didn't want the war in ME3)? If he was human he would have been shot (legal execution or otherwise). 
All I'm saying is that for all their smarts and tech-prowess Quarians are a ticking bomb. I wouldn't trust them control of the Geth and I would let them back into the Citadel races, if only to benefit from their expertise and strictly monitor all the cr@p they come up with. 
I usually make peace but Gerrel still gets a tummy ache

[Lady Abstract]

This would be dumb because the Quarians will just attack the geth again thus repeating history

[Lady Abstract]

Modifié par QU33N_ANG3L, 03 février 2013 - 11:02 .

[Kataphrut94]

Dunabar wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

This is a very...negative thread. Aren't there enough opportunities in this game to **** people over?

"Hey, we have this option to let you recruit both the geth and the quarians without killing either of them. It's harder to unlock and you have to have set it up in Mass Effect 2, but it ensures a happy ending for everyone!"

"Hmm...no, that's gay. Where's the unjustified irrational douchebag option for rank sociopaths?"

"This isn't Mass Effect 1 anymore. We've moved on from that way of thinking."

"RAAHRGABLAB ENSLAVE GENOCIDE RAPE LIFE IS MEANINGLESS!!"

Right because everything in Mass Effect 3 is all happy sunshine and unicorns are puking up rainbows of joy. Every story has its positives and negatives. You won't escape it unless you ignore it, in which case you didn't ignore this one.



Maybe read the topic name before clicking?

"Unicorns puking rainbows", huh? And I thought my strawmanning was immature...

I read that original proposal. It starts with "geth get a lot of happy endings, we need to fix that!" Surely the quarians get it better because they also get what they want in three out of four endings to the Rannoch conflict as well and they can't be unceremoniously snuffed out by the Destroy ending afterwards.

What I'm saying is that if you can get both sides to cooperate peacefully, the option to enslave the geth is just unnecessarily cruel. Besides, the Renegade peace speech kicks ass, they already get their money's worth out of the mission.