HiddenInWar wrote...
JediHarbinger wrote...
I have the fastest reload cancel draw in the west...
Who's up for a Mexican Standoff?
This forum ain't big enough f'r the two of us
Thus the reason nobody uses it on xbox:unsure:rainasa wrote...
No one I've talked to that can do it really has a problem with it, the single issue I have with it is that it can make certain weapons very difficult to balance, The claymore being the best example. It becomes like 5 times better in the hands of someone who can reload cancel. Depending on how reliably you can do the trick, the gun becomes crazy awesome or is somewhat lacking.
GallowsPole wrote...
Well 15 years ago, when this bug was accidentally discovered and turned into the mechanic you use today, you needed to be a button pushing whiz to pull it off. Now its just cheap and especially cheap in this type of game. I can see it in PvP and the fastest dude wins, but in this game, other than giving certain weapons the ability to be small hand cannons with tons of damage, its cheap.
HiddenInWar wrote...
What exactly is wrong with doing it? I was going to ask this sooner but had forgotten, but oh well.
I am open to any reasons you may put forward on why it's bad for MP.
rainasa wrote...
No one I've talked to that can do it really has a problem with it, the single issue I have with it is that it can make certain weapons very difficult to balance, The claymore being the best example. It becomes like 5 times better in the hands of someone who can reload cancel. Depending on how reliably you can do the trick, the gun becomes crazy awesome or is somewhat lacking.
Silvair wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
What exactly is wrong with doing it? I was going to ask this sooner but had forgotten, but oh well.
I am open to any reasons you may put forward on why it's bad for MP.
It just defeats the point of even having a reload mechanic, might as well have just kept the Overheat system from ME1 instead.
herculeswill22 wrote...
It's because it's harder to do on consoles than PC. Pretty much it.
clopin wrote...
GallowsPole wrote...
Well 15 years ago, when this bug was accidentally discovered and turned into the mechanic you use today, you needed to be a button pushing whiz to pull it off. Now its just cheap and especially cheap in this type of game. I can see it in PvP and the fastest dude wins, but in this game, other than giving certain weapons the ability to be small hand cannons with tons of damage, its cheap.
It's been in literally every game to feature a reload animation that goes longer than it actually takes to reload. And how the bloody hell can it not be cheap in a PvP game yet be cheap in a Horde mode game? That kind of logic makes zero sense.
Silvair wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
What exactly is wrong with doing it? I was going to ask this sooner but had forgotten, but oh well.
I am open to any reasons you may put forward on why it's bad for MP.
It just defeats the point of even having a reload mechanic, might as well have just kept the Overheat system from ME1 instead.
Cyonan wrote...
Silvair wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
What exactly is wrong with doing it? I was going to ask this sooner but had forgotten, but oh well.
I am open to any reasons you may put forward on why it's bad for MP.
It just defeats the point of even having a reload mechanic, might as well have just kept the Overheat system from ME1 instead.
You know, I actually liked that system.
Chris Schanche wrote...
When we run damage numbers and DPS tests on weapons we factor in both normal firing time and reload cancel firing time. Some of our gameplay devs are big fighting game fans, and we overall feel that having some animation cancels available open up play and provide interesting skill growing opportunities, weapons and powers both play with this. Though we certainly want to be sure all our weapons still feel accessable and solid to people who don't do it.
And lets keep this thread civil, it looked like it was in danger of getting heated for a bit there. Everyone has a different platform and playstyle preference, lets respect those.
Kushiel42 wrote...
I don't oppose reload cancelling, but I oppose the fact that the only way to know about it (well, other than playing any other shooter in the last decade) is to read about it online rather than in a game manual. I don't like hidden mechanics; the only truly bad part of the ME3 multiplayer is that it has a lot of them.
I don't care about the mechanic itself one way or the other, but I don't understand why the gaming industry continues to put undocumented reload cancelling into games instead of stealing the brilliant "active reload" mechanic from the Gears of War series.
Modifié par clopin, 03 février 2013 - 12:03 .
On pc you just press the medigel button, which you can bind to any key you want, so yeah. It's not really fair.modok8 wrote...
herculeswill22 wrote...
It's because it's harder to do on consoles than PC. Pretty much it.
Well it isn't particularly hard to do on the PS3
so it must be super easy to do on the PC
Chris Schanche wrote...
When we run damage numbers and DPS tests on weapons we factor in both normal firing time and reload cancel firing time. Some of our gameplay devs are big fighting game fans, and we overall feel that having some animation cancels available open up play and provide interesting skill growing opportunities, weapons and powers both play with this. Though we certainly want to be sure all our weapons still feel accessable and solid to people who don't do it.
And lets keep this thread civil, it looked like it was in danger of getting heated for a bit there. Everyone has a different platform and playstyle preference, lets respect those.
clopin wrote...
GallowsPole wrote...
Well 15 years ago, when this bug was accidentally discovered and turned into the mechanic you use today, you needed to be a button pushing whiz to pull it off. Now its just cheap and especially cheap in this type of game. I can see it in PvP and the fastest dude wins, but in this game, other than giving certain weapons the ability to be small hand cannons with tons of damage, its cheap.
It's been in literally every game to feature a reload animation that goes longer than it actually takes to reload. And how the bloody hell can it not be cheap in a PvP game yet be cheap in a Horde mode game? That kind of logic makes zero sense.
Modifié par valium, 03 février 2013 - 12:08 .
Smash canceling, Nova canceling. I think the Asari dodge can be used to cancel basically any animation. Yes, not as universally available as reload canceling, but animation canceling isn't exclusive to reloading weapons.Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...
HiddenInWar wrote...
What exactly is wrong with doing it? I was going to ask this sooner but had forgotten, but oh well.
I am open to any reasons you may put forward on why it's bad for MP.
There is nothing that corresponds to that for power users. Why should gun spammers get all the advantages? Because they are less skilled? :innocent:
Modifié par Asebstos, 03 février 2013 - 12:07 .
Chris Schanche wrote...
When we run damage numbers and DPS tests on weapons we factor in both normal firing time and reload cancel firing time. Some of our gameplay devs are big fighting game fans, and we overall feel that having some animation cancels available open up play and provide interesting skill growing opportunities, weapons and powers both play with this. Though we certainly want to be sure all our weapons still feel accessable and solid to people who don't do it.
And lets keep this thread civil, it looked like it was in danger of getting heated for a bit there. Everyone has a different platform and playstyle preference, lets respect those.
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