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[hot_heart]

Different characters 'speak' to different people. That's good. Can't expect everyone to be taken by every character.

And there's a difference between uninteresting and disliked; at least the latter is a palpable reaction. It shows that you care in some capacity.

Anyway, it's nice to see fans of any character elaborate on why they are drawn to them because it opens it up to discussion and deeper thought or understanding. And it's clear that's already occurred here, so, good job.

[vonSlash]

In ME2, Miranda was a great character. In ME3, Miranda could have been a great character, but got sidelined too much for any real character development or plot continuation.

[Lost Mercenary]

vonSlash wrote...

In ME2, Miranda was a great character. In ME3, Miranda could have been a great character, but got sidelined too much for any real character development or plot continuation.

I kind of see her development in ME3 as her finally letting go of all the baggage from her past, starting by her leaving Cerberus, being on the run from both them and the Alliance, which culminates in the confrontation with her father. The one mostly responsible for nearly everything gone bad in her life from day 1.

MIranda as a character has always been about peeling away all the layers upon layers of bull**** and excuses she hides behind, who she as a person truly is and where she wants to go in life when liberated from said layers. She also represents, to me, the breaking away from control. I.e, Cerberus.

[CynicalShep]

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

[sentinel_87]

Edolix wrote...

She's both.

Half the time she's interesting, funny and enjoyable to talk to. Learning about herself and the way she was genetically perfect was great, and I wish they went further with this. However, the other half of the time she's going on about her sister and her father and Cerberus and...mmph, yawn.

For those that aren't especially invested in Miranda's character, this can be a bit of a drag.

Agreed.  Without being invested in her character she is a bit dull; but the same can be said for most of the other characters as well.  The omnipresent father issues get old fast as well.  She does seem a bit distant in both games; but my Shepard maintained a professional relationship.

I liked her in ME2 and did not like the fact that an ex-Cerberus operative with the knowledge she possess did not serve a more pivotal role in ME3, since we fight Cerberus so often. 

At least she does have a side plot that has to be completed to keep her alive during Horizon.  The end of Horizon is the only good part of that mission because of Miranda rescuing her sister; helping Shepard by putting a trace on Kai Lang and her ready to get back into the fight attitude.

The camera angles are annoying though. Come on, what are we fourteen again?

[knightnblu]

In my opinion she is one of the best characters in the game. But then I'm a sucker for loyalty.

[RZIBARA]

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

no im sorry that would be people who romance liara

[Tokei-ihto]

lostmercenary99 wrote...
I kind of see her development in ME3 as her finally letting go of all the baggage from her past, starting by her leaving Cerberus, being on the run from both them and the Alliance, which culminates in the confrontation with her father. The one mostly responsible for nearly everything gone bad in her life from day 1.

MIranda as a character has always been about peeling away all the layers upon layers of bull**** and excuses she hides behind, who she as a person truly is and where she wants to go in life when liberated from said layers. She also represents, to me, the breaking away from control. I.e, Cerberus.

Always refreshing that from time to time someone actually writes an intelligent, well thought out post that doesn't get bogged down by an almost pathologic need to find fault with things ME3 related.

Personally, I too thought that Miranda's development represented a logical and overall successful continuation of her characterization that, regardless of her eventual fate on Horizon, ties up her arc beautifully and concludes in a cathartic denouement.

[Obadiah]

I liked Miranda. Her ice-queen act cracks too easily though.

Deep? Are any of the ME2 squaddies really deep? I literally just finished playing an ME2 playthough an hour ago, and I think the only reason any of them are deep is that we players have mulled over and over-analyzed these characters for over three years.

In fact I remember how much I hated how ****ing shallow they were the first time I played ME2.

Modifié par Obadiah, 04 février 2013 - 02:14 .

[bazzag]

Miranda is an awesome character. How she is so much a cerberus fan and supports their cause until she realises just how mad TIM is. The fact that because she is the 'perfect' woman due to genetic modification means that she has a low self esteem of herself. Her icy exterior, yet that protective interior. One of the better characters in ME2. Just a shame that she wasnt more of a force in ME3, (though lets be honest, most of the ME2 squaddies got screwed over there) and its also sad that to get the better conclusion to her storyline from a romance point of view is for her death on horizon.

[spirosz]

Loved her character. The important thing to remember is, it's not Miranda's fault as a character, that she's worried about Ori, it's the writers - which can be said for Liara as well, both strong characters with poorly written aspects in ME3, that are hard to look past, in my opinion.

Miranda could of easily had a more meaningful role concerning Cerberus, but you know, priority writing and budget limits. 

The only aspect I don't like, is going from that "ice queen" on Freedom, to "Oh Hey Shepard!" right after. 

Modifié par spirosz, 04 février 2013 - 02:41 .

[BizkitRebellion]

RZIBARA wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

no im sorry that would be people who romance liara

I actually romanced liara because I like her as a person 

[RZIBARA]

BizkitRebellion wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

no im sorry that would be people who romance liara

I actually romanced liara because I like her as a person 

I may have come off rude with my comment, but i stand by my point. Liara is very overrated and BW gave her too much attention. I find ash and miranda much more interesting characters to romance, and i hate it when people blindy hate ash (calling her a racist WHEN SHE ISNT) and miranda (saying shes too ****y and is only good for her ass). Liara is a boring character and is EXTREMELY OVERRATED

[evilgummybear]

Nyan51 wrote...

Lately, I have read a a few things on Miranda Lawson staing that she is a boring character.  While I partly agree, I have to say she is not the dullest crewmate.  I mean, look at Zaeed.<_<  He has no personality what so ever other than some tough guy.  At least she has feelings, troubles, and she cares about her sister.  Although, the only reason I would romance her are for some genetically-enchanced super-soldier children.

Miranda was only boring because in ME3 she has been side lined. All ME3 characters only had small cameo roles.
Just like in ME2 the ME1 unplayable chars had small roles in the game. In ME2 she played a major role in the game as 2nd in command & Lazzarus project.

There was nothing really to be scripted for miranda in ME3 other than to save her sister. Not every character can have major roles in the game like tali and liara. There are many other characters in the game that also didnt have much content. Garus/james/jack/grunt etc.. She isnt the only one.

[The Night Mammoth]

RZIBARA wrote...

I may have come off rude with my comment, but i stand by my point. Liara is very overrated and BW gave her too much attention. I find ash and miranda much more interesting characters to romance, and i hate it when people blindy hate ash (calling her a racist WHEN SHE ISNT) and miranda (saying shes too ****y and is only good for her ass). Liara is a boring character and is EXTREMELY OVERRATED

Yeah, Ashley isn't racist, just a bit thick. 

[Nicksta92]

Tbh I absolutely love Miranda, I just wish she had a more interesting personal storyline besides her stupid ****ing sister. I feel she is the only member of your crew (save Garrus) who is an efficient and admirable leader. She's very, very capable and excels at nearly anything she attempts, plus she tends to be full of mature conversation (in ME2 at least).

To me Miranda and Garrus, even Wrex I suppose, don't feel part of my crew (that is under Shep's command), they feel like equals. Not knocking the others in any way at all, I love all the characters, but these three seem like they would be near-capable of performing on Shepard's level.

tl;dr Miranda is awesome and deserves a better personal story arc imo.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

evilgummybear wrote...

Nyan51 wrote...

Lately, I have read a a few things on Miranda Lawson staing that she is a boring character.  While I partly agree, I have to say she is not the dullest crewmate.  I mean, look at Zaeed.<_<  He has no personality what so ever other than some tough guy.  At least she has feelings, troubles, and she cares about her sister.  Although, the only reason I would romance her are for some genetically-enchanced super-soldier children.

Miranda was only boring because in ME3 she has been side lined. All ME3 characters only had small cameo roles.
Just like in ME2 the ME1 unplayable chars had small roles in the game. In ME2 she played a major role in the game as 2nd in command & Lazzarus project.

There was nothing really to be scripted for miranda in ME3 other than to save her sister. Not every character can have major roles in the game like tali and liara. There are many other characters in the game that also didnt have much content. Garus/james/jack/grunt etc.. She isnt the only one.

The worst part is she isn't there with you before you attack the Cerberus base. Same thing with Jack.

[evilgummybear]

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The worst part is she isn't there with you before you attack the Cerberus base. Same thing with Jack.
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I agree, they could of written miranda in ME3 alot better. They should of made her as a late squad mate that helps take out cerburus. She is after all the only character with most info about cerburus. She was pretty much poorly written off in ME3 just like all other ME2 characters.

[kalasaurus]

I like Miranda. I agree with Samara's assessment of her- she's a strong, capable, independent woman. She's also a lot more mature than most of Shepard's female squad, and that's a good thing.

[enayasoul]

Tokei-ihto wrote...

lostmercenary99 wrote...
I kind of see her development in ME3 as her finally letting go of all the baggage from her past, starting by her leaving Cerberus, being on the run from both them and the Alliance, which culminates in the confrontation with her father. The one mostly responsible for nearly everything gone bad in her life from day 1.

MIranda as a character has always been about peeling away all the layers upon layers of bull**** and excuses she hides behind, who she as a person truly is and where she wants to go in life when liberated from said layers. She also represents, to me, the breaking away from control. I.e, Cerberus.

Always refreshing that from time to time someone actually writes an intelligent, well thought out post that doesn't get bogged down by an almost pathologic need to find fault with things ME3 related.

Personally, I too thought that Miranda's development represented a logical and overall successful continuation of her characterization that, regardless of her eventual fate on Horizon, ties up her arc beautifully and concludes in a cathartic denouement.

Nicksta92 wrote...

Tbh I absolutely love Miranda, I just
wish she had a more interesting personal storyline besides her stupid
****ing sister. I feel she is the only member of your crew (save
Garrus) who is an efficient and admirable leader. She's very, very
capable and excels at nearly anything she attempts, plus she tends to be
full of mature conversation (in ME2 at least).

To me Miranda and
Garrus, even Wrex I suppose, don't feel part of my crew (that is under
Shep's command), they feel like equals. Not knocking the others in any
way at all, I love all the characters, but these three seem like they
would be near-capable of performing on Shepard's level.

tl;dr Miranda is awesome and deserves a better personal story arc imo.

Excellent posts!  I agree.  Miranda Lawson is a great character with so much story potential.  She is indeed a leader and is on Shepard's level.  She wasn't all gaga over Shepard.  He had to earn her trust.   :happy:

It's a shame that we haven't learned more about her... Would love to have Miranda Lawson expanded more in ME3 but they didn't.   

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

She is MILES  away from the horror of being "dull." She is WAY  more than just interesting!

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 04 février 2013 - 03:57 .

[Lyrandori]

I always thought that she was rather boring, she gives me that awkward feeling of a pragmatic bookworm-type girl always focused on work and study. I don't "hate" her as the character that she is, but... how can I put it... I think she just wouldn't be the life of a party 'ya know? I picture her in some corner of the room just watching people around without a smile and probably thinking about work back on the Normandy while she hesitantly holds her drink and doesn't even pay attention to the music.

Also, the very first impression I had of her back at the beginning of ME2 never helped the case. At that point she was pretty much the "Look, I'm not here to make friends" type of egocentric workaholic ****. I know it was done on purpose (that scene) and the feeling towards the player was supposed to be as such, it was "repulsive" (certainly not intimidating, at least not to me, or rather my Shepard). That's probably why I never romanced her anyway with my BroShep (that is in ME2, because I haven't played ME3 with that Shepard).

I must say, however, that in real life anyone remotely similar to that is total turn off so... yeah.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 04 février 2013 - 04:01 .

[dreamgazer]

Interesting concept, engaging voice actress, marginal overall execution.

I like the idea of Miranda more than I like her in the character BioWare presented.