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[Seboist]

dreamgazer wrote...

Interesting concept, engaging voice actress, marginal overall execution.

I like the idea of Miranda more than I like her in the character BioWare presented.

Precisely my sentiment with other characters like TIM,Gavin Archer and Morinth.

[DoodlyDangus]

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

I am distracted by that Quarian burble butt.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Interesting concept, engaging voice actress, marginal overall execution.

I like the idea of Miranda more than I like her in the character BioWare presented.

Precisely my sentiment with other characters like TIM,Gavin Archer and Morinth.

Precisely my sentiment with, I dunno, the vast majority of characters in Mass Effect. 

Only a few seem to be fully realized, like Thane, and Samara. 

[evilgummybear]

DoodlyDangus wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

I am distracted by that Quarian burble butt.

dont forget the wierd knees posistioning and the 3 fingers ew.... how does she grab shepards Penis lol

[DoodlyDangus]

evilgummybear wrote...

DoodlyDangus wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

I am distracted by that Quarian burble butt.

dont forget the wierd knees posistioning and the 3 fingers ew.... how does she grab shepards Penis lol

3 finger hands don't seem to be an issue for them or any other species.

[Nightwriter]

Miranda's an easy sell to people who already had a predisposition to appreciate the Miranda Who Could Have Been.

She's a pretty hard sell to people who didn't have that predisposition and needed to be won over with some quality character presentation. Unfortunately her presentation is a mess of crossed wires and dropped arcs and oversexualization.

[Seboist]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Interesting concept, engaging voice actress, marginal overall execution.

I like the idea of Miranda more than I like her in the character BioWare presented.

Precisely my sentiment with other characters like TIM,Gavin Archer and Morinth.

Precisely my sentiment with, I dunno, the vast majority of characters in Mass Effect. 

Only a few seem to be fully realized, like Thane, and Samara. 

Indeed, another great example of a character "dud" is Javik; here we have this Prothean Commander with a superiority complex over the newer races and...... he's just a private in Shepard's goon squad.

Brilliant.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seboist wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Interesting concept, engaging voice actress, marginal overall execution.

I like the idea of Miranda more than I like her in the character BioWare presented.

Precisely my sentiment with other characters like TIM,Gavin Archer and Morinth.

Precisely my sentiment with, I dunno, the vast majority of characters in Mass Effect. 

Only a few seem to be fully realized, like Thane, and Samara. 

Indeed, another great example of a character "dud" is Javik; here we have this Prothean Commander with a superiority complex over the newer races and...... he's just a private in Shepard's goon squad.

Brilliant.

He does offer a unique perspective on the harshness and cost of the conflict against the Reapers, and his brutal honesty is a change of pace from the almost sichophantic relationship all the other characters have with Shepard, but aside from that he really doesn't add anything to the actual plot. 

I still like him for what he's worth, in the same way that I like Grunt despite him being a stereotypical krogan with a whole lot of wasted potential for fresh perspective. 

[kalasaurus]

Nightwriter wrote...

Miranda's an easy sell to people who already had a predisposition to appreciate the Miranda Who Could Have Been.

She's a pretty hard sell to people who didn't have that predisposition and needed to be won over with some quality character presentation. Unfortunately her presentation is a mess of crossed wires and dropped arcs and oversexualization.

Fair enough.  Miranda's role in ME3 and loyalty mission 2.0 didn't do her character justice at all, along with excessive camera shots of her bottom.

Her character has amazing potential.  She was another strong woman to stand next to my FemShep, and I'm disappointed her former second in command didn't join the squad and help take Cerberus down.

[spirosz]

GlassElephant wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Miranda's an easy sell to people who already had a predisposition to appreciate the Miranda Who Could Have Been.

She's a pretty hard sell to people who didn't have that predisposition and needed to be won over with some quality character presentation. Unfortunately her presentation is a mess of crossed wires and dropped arcs and oversexualization.

Fair enough.  Miranda's role in ME3 and loyalty mission 2.0 didn't do her character justice at all, along with excessive camera shots of her bottom.

Her character has amazing potential.  She was another strong woman to stand next to my FemShep, and I'm disappointed her former second in command didn't join the squad and help take Cerberus down.

Or even go beyond certain aspects that Shepard couldn't achieve.  Bah, wasted potential.  

[David7204]

Here's a handy-dandy guide for character opinions on the BSN.

Character has an effect on the plot? LOLZ PLOT ARMOR RAILROADING SHOVED DOWN OUR THOATS WHY CANT I KILL SO-AND-SO.

Character has little to no effect on the plot? LOLZ WASTED POTENTIAL BAD WRITING.

[Caihn]

Most interesting character of the Mass Effect series.
A shame Bioware decided to sideline her in ME3. She deserved a lot more content.

Modifié par Yannkee, 04 février 2013 - 05:37 .

[Isaidlunch]

I like Miranda most of the time. I only find her dull when she suddenly stops being Miranda, like at the end of the Suicide Mission. Her ME3 story arc was godawful but I wouldn't say that makes her dull, she still had a lot of potential... the writers just didn't care enough to do anything with it.

Although, I might have enjoyed a Miranda that was more cold and manipulative. Oh well.

Modifié par Kazanth, 04 février 2013 - 06:16 .

[PMC65]

Nyan51 wrote...

Lately, I have read a a few things on Miranda Lawson staing that she is a boring character.  While I partly agree, I have to say she is not the dullest crewmate.  I mean, look at Zaeed.<_<  He has no personality what so ever other than some tough guy.  At least she has feelings, troubles, and she cares about her sister.  Although, the only reason I would romance her are for some genetically-enchanced super-soldier children.

One of the reasons that I first came to the BSN was to see how other people saw the characters. We all come to the table with our own colors / luggage which is why we can see characters so different from each other.

Miranda when she first appeared made me think of the women found in the film noirs that I loved. She was Heddy Lamar ... a beautiful woman that was also brilliant yet imperfect (google her).

She was a grown up woman that understood that the galaxy was not perfect ... that humanity needed protection ... that all was not fuzzy bunnies and rainbows.

Miranda was a woman that believed that the ends justified the means and that sometimes one had to get their hands dirty. She did not apologize or make excuses for doing what needed to be done. 

Would she torture someone? If it meant lives saved ... absolutely. She would sleep with someone to get their secrets? If it meant completing her mission ... you betcha.

Others with their colors and luggage would see her different ... and some would even call her boring. 

For me, she was that dame who would never let her heart rule over her head.  

https://encrypted-tb...5lV_Sw9s9myY   
*Lauren Bacall ... classic dame that held her own against Bogie

[Khajiit Jzargo]

The only interesting thing was her storyline with her sister, apart from that, she was extremely boring.

[Asch Lavigne]

Miranda is one of my most hated video game characters ever. I always let her die in the Collector Base.

She's ****y. As TIM's second (or whatever) and being on the Normandy she's just imputing her ideas and thoughts all over and its like shut up, I run this ship, not you. When I want your opinion I'll ask for it. She acts like she runs everything, like when Jacob says he'll go through the vents, Miranda says, "I appreciate the thought..." You appreciate the thought, he wasn't talking to you, Shep's in charge, not you! She asks EDI all the lines Shep should ask during the Sucidie Mission "EDI, what's our next step?" Again, who put you in charge!? She volunteers for the fireteam, yet again, who put you in charge. How about asking to run the fireteam?  Just cause TIM out you on this ship and I can't Diana Allers your butt off it doesn't mean you run things!

She's all "Oh, some of the crew is distracted" then says to leave the survivors in the Collector Base. Uh, what kind of people person are you?

I hate the fight with her and Jack. Jack wants Miranda to admit what Cerberus did was wrong and Miranda's argument is "Jack is endangering the mission." How is that relevant to what Jack is asking?  How does that even help? Way to avoid the issue, lady.

Biotic Bubble: "I could do it too," No, you can't.

I saw her parts in ME3 on youtube and she didn't seem to add anything to the game. Her sister does just fine filling in for her on Horizon, other than that, not having Miranda does nothing to the game. Heck, she doesn't even have a replacement until Horizon, citing how useless in ME3 she is.. I get that she cares about her sister, which is her only redeeming quality, but can she shut up about her sister for two seconds. How about telling me some good info on TIM and Cerberus? Also, how is she alive?! Jacob I get, he's a soldier, little threat there, but TIM just lets Miranda go? Makes no sense.

I also love her heartfelt confession about a control chip. Yeah, you told me that in the last game, lady. Nice you feel guilty about it, don't care, old news, I moved on.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 04 février 2013 - 07:12 .

[Tokei-ihto]

PMC65 wrote...
One of the reasons that I first came to the BSN was to see how other people saw the characters. We all come to the table with our own colors / luggage which is why we can see characters so different from each other.

Miranda when she first appeared made me think of the women found in the film noirs that I loved. She was Heddy Lamar ... a beautiful woman that was also brilliant yet imperfect (google her).

She was a grown up woman that understood that the galaxy was not perfect ... that humanity needed protection ... that all was not fuzzy bunnies and rainbows.

Miranda was a woman that believed that the ends justified the means and that sometimes one had to get their hands dirty. She did not apologize or make excuses for doing what needed to be done. 

Would she torture someone? If it meant lives saved ... absolutely. She would sleep with someone to get their secrets? If it meant completing her mission ... you betcha.

Others with their colors and luggage would see her different ... and some would even call her boring. 

For me, she was that dame who would never let her heart rule over her head.  

https://encrypted-tb...5lV_Sw9s9myY   
*Lauren Bacall ... classic dame that held her own against Bogie

"You know how to whistle, don't you, Shep? You just put your lips together and ... blow.

[PMC65]

Tokei-ihto wrote...

PMC65 wrote...
*snip*
https://encrypted-tb...5lV_Sw9s9myY   
*Lauren Bacall ... classic dame that held her own against Bogie

"You know how to whistle, don't you, Shep? You just put your lips together and ... blow.

[Dieb]

I hated Miranda.

Well, honestly I didn't, but my Shepard did. For it was exactly this mixture of thoughtless loyality and devotion that made him "fail" on Torfan.

I was actually really pleased how the game gave you the ability to ignore her looks entirely and argue with her motives at any given instance, until she was forced to ask you for help. I don't know how to put it, but even after helping her save her sister and gaining more insight into her personality, the emerging friendship afterwards felt kinda forced to me. I did use the paragon interrupt when dealing with Nicket, but my Shepard would have even shot Miranda before she could kill an unarmed man.

The only other option you have is never talk to her again, but I would have wished for something more along the lines of
"I didn't help you. I helped your sister, who was placed in the line of fire by your selfish personal vendetta against your father."
(He didn't know just how bad the man was at that point)



I didn't like about the 3rd game how she just kinda dropped out of Cerberus. (In my defense, I only read the three Karpyshyn novels outside the games, so I don't know if there is more detail on that availible)
However, throughout the second game, she does not show any signs of insubordination towards TIM (except the thing with Jacob's father, but it seems to be unrelated to her loyality), so it felt really really constructed overall.

Instead, it would have been a lot more exciting to take this "rivalry of ideals" to the next level, and maybe having to deal with her -the one or the other way- in Chronos Station before making it to TIM's office...

Short: I liked hating her. I hated liking her.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 04 février 2013 - 09:50 .

[Wanderer_Jones]

RZIBARA wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

BizkitRebellion wrote...

Cobalt2113 wrote...

People give Miranda a hard time.

But I think she had a really interesting, balanced, structured and well developed... butt.

Its that the reason alot of people romance with her?
Wow, that is so sad 

People who romance Miranda are generally very shallow

no im sorry that would be people who romance liara

I actually romanced liara because I like her as a person 

I may have come off rude with my comment, but i stand by my point. Liara is very overrated and BW gave her too much attention. I find ash and miranda much more interesting characters to romance, and i hate it when people blindy hate ash (calling her a racist WHEN SHE ISNT) and miranda (saying shes too ****y and is only good for her ass). Liara is a boring character and is EXTREMELY OVERRATED

On my first play-through as MaleShep in Mass Effect 2, I romanced Miranda because she seemed more...stronger mentally than Mass Effect 3.  On my 1st play-through as Femshep in Mass Effect 3, I romanced Liara because she seemed...I'm not sure what I liked about her.  On my 3rd play-through, I romanced Ashly because she and Shep grew a bond over the years and..
Where do people get this about Ash being racist?

[Tootles FTW]

I'm conflicted with Miranda. I loved her pre-Freedom's Progress when she was point-blank shooting WIlson and telling us how she wanted to put a control chip in our brains. Total HBIC material. Then, all of a sudden, she swapped personalities with Jacob onboard the Normandy & started opening up to us by continuously lamenting how good looking she was.

They should have kept her as a cold b!tch cuz' I was digging it.

[Ieldra]

Kazanth wrote...

I like Miranda most of the time. I only find her dull when she suddenly stops being Miranda, like at the end of the Suicide Mission. Her ME3 story arc was godawful but I wouldn't say that makes her dull, she still had a lot of potential... the writers just didn't care enough to do anything with it.

Exactly that. Miranda is awesome between the start of ME2 and the scene with TIM at the end of the SM, excluding this scene. A fascinating mix of professional detachment and fierce loyalty to those she cares for, of being ruthless but only when it's called for, representing the promises of genetic engineering as well as the existential problems which may result from it.

At the end of the SM; things start to go downhill, promise a veritable plunge into the abyss with the LotSB dossier which is then taken (the plunge) in ME3 by wasting most of her story potential and turning her into a generic stereotype of a woman who cares only about family.

If she's still awesome in ME3, it's only because her ME2 presentation has so much weight that ME3 couldn't destroy it, for even where she is implied to be impressive, on-screen we only see her weak moments.

Having said that and to give her content justice, there were a few nice moments with her. The first conversation is more or less the only part where I hear Miranda speaking, and the scene with Shepard after Henry is defeated is rather nice in the romanced version, though it's almost ruined by the contrived manner if which Miranda is then taken out of the story altogether, at a moment where the next chapter - Cerberus HQ - called for her presence more than anything that came before.

[RZIBARA]

Nyan51 wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

I may have come off rude with my comment, but i stand by my point. Liara is very overrated and BW gave her too much attention. I find ash and miranda much more interesting characters to romance, and i hate it when people blindy hate ash (calling her a racist WHEN SHE ISNT) and miranda (saying shes too ****y and is only good for her ass). Liara is a boring character and is EXTREMELY OVERRATED

On my first play-through as MaleShep in Mass Effect 2, I romanced Miranda because she seemed more...stronger mentally than Mass Effect 3.  On my 1st play-through as Femshep in Mass Effect 3, I romanced Liara because she seemed...I'm not sure what I liked about her.  On my 3rd play-through, I romanced Ashly because she and Shep grew a bond over the years and..
Where do people get this about Ash being racist?

she isnt racist. People just didnt take the time to talk to her. Ashley is the best romance option if you ask me, and second come both miranda and tali. All the other maleshepard options suck. 

[Barquiel]

I have mixed feelings about Miranda, but I never found her dull. Jack and Miranda are the only interesting human squadmates, imo.

Modifié par Barquiel, 04 février 2013 - 02:20 .

[Belisarius25]

It's been awhile since I did a "pro-Cerberus" ME2 run so I forget - why does she leave Cerberus if you do that (i.e. don't question TIM, give him the base)?