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[Ieldra]

Barquiel wrote...
I have mixed feelings about Miranda, but I never found her dull. Jack and Miranda are the only interesting human characters, imo.

As a rule, the whole ME2 cast was more interesting than the ME1 cast, Wrex excluded (I don't like him but he was well realized and interesting), and ME3 did nothing to make me feel different.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 04 février 2013 - 02:34 .

[Barquiel]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...
I have mixed feelings about Miranda, but I never found her dull. Jack and Miranda are the only interesting human characters, imo.

As a rule, the whole ME2 cast was more interesting than the ME1 cast, Wrex excluded (I don't like him but he was well realized and interesting), and ME3 did nothing to make me feel different.

I consider the squadmate selection rather equal overall. For example, I thought Garrus was much more interesting in ME1...while he's simply Shepards "bro" in ME2 and ME3. On the other hand, while Liara was already my favorite in ME1, she really shines in LotSB and ME3.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I feel Miranda could have been much more interesting had BioWare not used her as a sex object..
The constant ass shots put me off her.

Modifié par pirate1802, 04 février 2013 - 03:28 .

[Yate]

Fantastic character. Not as obvious as Jack or the others, but deeper and more complex.

[BD Manchild]

pirate1802 wrote...

I feel Miranda could have been much more interesting had BioWare not used her as a sex object..
The constant ass shots put me off her.

Pretty much sums up my view. I like the idea of Miranda, but the constant pushing of her "sexiness" (personally I don't think she's even that good-looking) started to go from seeming natural due to what we know about her character to "Hey guize, lookit dat ass!".

[stonbw1]

Yate wrote...

Fantastic character. Not as obvious as Jack or the others, but deeper and more complex.

Her personality swings were too much for me.  You may define that as "deep", but to me, it was inconsistent and thus, unbelievable.  At first meeting, she coldly blows a dudes head off his shoulders.  Twenty mins later, she's sweetly begging for Shep's help to help her sister who she's trying to rescue and emotionally reconnect with... 

I liked Jack's character better b/c of that consistency.  She was cold [almost] throughout.  Even at her most vulnerable (loyalty mission ME2), she still blew sh*t up! 

[Wuartz]

They should have involved her in the Cerberus plot in ME3. There was great potentiel for her. Kind of disappointed she didn't matter. At all.

At least Garrus, Tali, Mordin and Legion had good arcs.

Modifié par Wuartz, 04 février 2013 - 03:46 .

[BLAHBLUE2001]

I always found Miranda to be interesting enough, minus the in your face @ss shots.

I just think they failed to provide her with any type of evolution as a character in ME3. I would have loved if they made some of the ME2 squad mates into enemies with substance or at least the growth we see from characters like Jack.

I would have loved to see Miranda become TIM's second hand if you didn't complete her loyalty quest in ME2 in place of having the cartoon villain Kei Lame. I would have love to see jack and Morith play a more significant roll as villains as well instead of just becoming a banshee or phantom. I know it may have been a lot more voice acting, cost, etc but it really would have made me want to play the game more and think it would have added a lot more depth.

Imagine if you romanced Miranda or jack etc and then had the fight you had on thessia with Miri or jack in place of Lang? It may have helped to make shep's reaction to the fall of thessia a bit more real to have former squatmate or LI betray you then to just have lame ninja guy insta-own everyone.

Sorry for the rant but I think they could have used characters like Miranda better

[ManOfSteel]

Miranda is awesome. I was disappointed that she didn't have more screen time in ME3.

[TheViper8234]

I really loved Miranda in ME2 .I think what really made me sad about the Mass Effect 3 was that much of the game I didn't see Miranda and felt cheated by Bioware

[FlyingSquirrel]

I think Miranda was an important part of ME2 - there needed to be a prominent character on the ship who honestly believed in Cerberus and would at least sometimes defend them to Shepard if you take the Paragon dialogue options re: Cerberus. At the same time, she wasn't just a lackey, there were emotions and vulnerability underneath her cold exterior, and she could be brought around to Shepard's way of thinking by the end of the game - "I noticed, consider this my resignation" is one of my favorite parts of ME2, and I always take her with me to the human Reaper with my canon Shepard.

(In a way, having a Cerberus loyalist who stayed firmly in TIM's camp might have been even more interesting, but then I suppose Shepard might have been facing a mutiny at some point depending on your choices, and that may have been more complication than Bioware wanted to introduce.)

I did find her role somewhat disappointing in ME3, however. I half-expected her to still be with Cerberus if she wasn't loyal at the end of ME2 (which she wasn't with one of my characters), though given how far around the bend Cerberus goes in ME3, it makes sense that she'd leave and/or be fired regardless. Mostly, I just thought that having her sister in danger again was unnecessary - even if Miranda was only going to make a few brief appearances, she could have been spying on Cerberus or researching tech behind the scenes. Aside from Thane (who's an obvious exception anyway), I think she's the only ME2 squadmate that *doesn't* get involved with the Crucible or some other aspect of the war effort pretty quickly after Shepard encounters them.

I'd say she's an interesting character who unfortunately wasn't given something very interesting to do in ME3.

[enayasoul]

TheViper8234 wrote...

I really loved Miranda in ME2 .I think what really made me sad about the Mass Effect 3 was that much of the game I didn't see Miranda and felt cheated by Bioware

Yes!  I feel the same.  I wanted to know a lot more about Miranda. Her perspectives about the war efforts/races and views on what Cerberus has become.  The Shadow broker file revealed she was doing something would have loved to see that from the beginning not at the end. 

I like the idea someone mentioned here(sorry forgot who without going through all the posts again)  Miranda could have had her own missions that intersected with Shepard at times.  I guess in a way it did with Sanctuary near the end but it would have been nice to see Miranda doing these things then from logs or small mentions of doing stuff.

I like what little we got but Miranda could have been so MUCH more.  So much potential to really grow this character.  More important to the overall experience.  My Shep was a lonely soldier. 

[Stalker]

She's my canon romance and one of my favorite characters overall, but there was a lot of wasted potential.

For once the interesting parts (genetically engineered, highly intelligent and ambitious woman who works for "evil" Cerberus) were just too much overshadowed by the in-your-face sex-object appeal. The camera angles are plain ridiculous.

Then there is ME3 where she became kind of a very soft damsel in distress. She was actually perfect material for the Cerberus arc, but for whatever reason that was never used. She doesn't give a damn what Cerberus has become or that the Reapers arrived. She just goes off saving her sister (again...). And not even there was any conclusion. She's just there to be the tragic death and kills off her father without any significant words.

A very interesting character that was left unexplored.

Modifié par Mr Massakka, 04 février 2013 - 04:44 .

[shodiswe]

Belisarius25 wrote...

It's been awhile since I did a "pro-Cerberus" ME2 run so I forget - why does she leave Cerberus if you do that (i.e. don't question TIM, give him the base)?

Probably like the rest of the old Cerberus people... They ran out the door when they realized TIM intended to turn them all into techno zombies, claiming he was "improving" them.

[CronoDragoon]

Underused would be my word for it. Her loyalty mission is supposed to be enough basis for us to believe in her rejection of Cerberus....but it's not nearly enough. Her loyalty mission establishes that she now trusts Shepard; but where is the dialogue about her disallusionment with Cerberus? Her words to TIM, "Or what? You'll replace me next?" suggest that she now recognizes Cerberus as an organization strictly based on ends with no importance or connection with the actual people of the organization....but earlier she was fine with this notion. I need more explicit development: I can read between the lines in reference to her loyalty mission, but I need to eat more of the red meat instead of imagine it.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 04 février 2013 - 04:48 .

[hot_heart]

CronoDragoon wrote...
I need more explicit development: I can read between the lines in reference to her loyalty mission, but I need to eat more of the red meat instead of imagine it.

I can understand this viewpoint.

The other hints would be witnessing what Jack went through (though that would have to be inferred rather than outright stated) and if taken along on the Collector Ship mission where she can't believe that TIM would put their lives in jeopardy like that. Of course, it's easy to miss if you're not already fond of her and don't take her on the mission.

I guess you have to imagine that a lot more went on 'behind-the-scenes' during ME2 since there's a lot of time unaccounted for when travelling between systems and such. Again, not the ideal situation.

[CronoDragoon]

hot_heart wrote...

The other hints would be witnessing what Jack went through (though that would have to be inferred rather than outright stated) and if taken along on the Collector Ship mission where she can't believe that TIM would put their lives in jeopardy like that. Of course, it's easy to miss if you're not already fond of her and don't take her on the mission.

I guess you have to imagine that a lot more went on 'behind-the-scenes' during ME2 since there's a lot of time unaccounted for when travelling between systems and such. Again, not the ideal situation.

Even in her conflict with Jack she defends Cerberus, though, which can be jarring if the conflict happens very late in the game. When Jack accuses Cerberus, she pretty much just says, "it's not Cerberus." That scene could have been written with a little more nuance, especially after Jack leaves. Have Miranda say something like, "Though what I said was accurate, I am starting to wonder whether TIM would have actually had a problem with what happened." To at least show that she is now juggling what was previously already set in her mind.

I haven't taken her along for the Collector Ship mission so perhaps that provides a bit of what I was looking for, thanks.

When people say ME2 has too many characters, I tend to defend ME2, but Miranda is a good example of where half the characters and twice the loyalty missions may have been a better setup. At the very least, Cerberus's prominent involvement in ME3 should have justified her as a permanent squadmate.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 04 février 2013 - 05:04 .

[FlyingSquirrel]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Underused would be my word for it. Her loyalty mission is supposed to be enough basis for us to believe in her rejection of Cerberus....but it's not nearly enough. Her loyalty mission establishes that she now trusts Shepard; but where is the dialogue about her disallusionment with Cerberus? Her words to TIM, "Or what? You'll replace me next?" suggest that she now recognizes Cerberus as an organization strictly based on ends with no importance or connection with the actual people of the organization....but earlier she was fine with this notion. I need more explicit development: I can read between the lines in reference to her loyalty mission, but I need to eat more of the red meat instead of imagine it.

Actually, a non-loyal Miranda will, at least under some circumstances, argue with the Illusive Man and quit Cerberus if you bring her to the human Reaper (and will then promptly die in the flying platform collision). I tried that once with a Paragon Shepard who sided with Jack in their confrontation just to see what would happen, and then reloaded a save so I could take somebody else and keep her alive. I'm not sure what she does if Shepard is a Renegade, but I'm guessing it's the same.

Personally, I would only take her to the end if she's loyal and I'm playing a Paragon who blows up the base. I think her about-face makes more sense if she's been observing Shepard taking a very non-Cerberus-style approach throughout the various missions and has at least partly come around to that way of thinking.

Otherwise, I guess you'd have to assume that she simply has her own limits and preserving the base is on the wrong side of them. Which, as you said, might seem inconsistent, unless maybe the sheer scale of the suffering and death of all the colonists is what makes the difference.

[SNascimento]

She was great in ME2, but the fact she quit Cerberus so easily stoped her from being more than that. And in ME3 they just stomped on her, again and again.

[xMellowhype]

ShadyKat wrote...

Never understood why people dumped on Jacob and Kaiden for being bori g, yet ignored Miranda. Yes, she is indeed boring and lacks personality. I guess her rather large "assests" makes people not notice.

Don't comapre Miranda to freaking Jacob and Kaidan. 

[10K]

 Let's just say I'll take her over a certain asari any day.

[RZIBARA]

mosesarose wrote...

 Let's just say I'll take her over a certain asari any day.

you mean that overrated garbage called liara t'soni?! YEP

[10K]

RZIBARA wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

 Let's just say I'll take her over a certain asari any day.

you mean that overrated garbage called liara t'soni?! YEP

You nailed it, 5 POINTS FOR YOU!! 

[Yuqi]

I hate how they used her accent.. (There were thousands of eyerolls in AU at the line: 'A hero a bloody icon.') Blatantly having the AU accent attached too her( because hollywood has some sick fascination with it) really pissed me off.

Miranda in ME3 is supposed to be hiding from Cerberus,and dosn't want to attract attention..and yet that outfit..

[RZIBARA]

mosesarose wrote...

RZIBARA wrote...

mosesarose wrote...

 Let's just say I'll take her over a certain asari any day.

you mean that overrated garbage called liara t'soni?! YEP

You nailed it, 5 POINTS FOR YOU!! 

I hate when people hate on ashley or miranda, yet they dont bother to notice that Liara is so damn dull and loved by bioware. i hate her with a passion