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[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

ReconTeam wrote...

But I like toxic waste.

[nightscrawl]

I don't really have any frame of reference for the BSN or its atmosphere. I browsed the old old Neverwinter Nights forums occasionally but never posted. I never went during or after my active DAO playing, and I never browsed in the lead up to DA2. It was only a month or so after DA2 release that I started posting regularly, so I can't attest to any devolution on the part of the BSN or its posters. As usual, I found that I didn't share the opinion of the majority of reviewers or negative posters, which is why I never read forums or reviews in the first place.

I will say though that the atmosphere on the DA2 forums improved about six months after release with the initial wave of really pissed off people leaving and taking their rants elsewhere. Even though there is still some negativity around, I don't think it is nearly as bad as it was back then, although you do still hear from the occasional cynic who thinks that Bioware has gone to the dark side with catering to the "casuals" and that the company can never be redeemed. Most of the other negative posters have real concerns or fears that can only be assuaged with actual content from Bioware, which we have to wait on.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

The BSN I know does not give privilege or scorn to someone based on their sign up date or the number of posts they have, but by the content of their ideas and the passion of their belief. 

The BSN I know is made up of veterans like Realmzmaster and new blood like Entropic Angel. It's full of people who are passionate believers in character content like Renmiri and those who are focused on the control our own character to the finest detail like Sylvius the Mad. We have people who believe in Bioware's direction wholeheartedly like Plantiff and those who question it every step of the way like bEVEthesda. We have those with scathing, sharp sit like TheAngryOne and we have those who are a gentle balm with their attitudes like Jillabender. 


The BSN I know is not toxic. The BSN I know is terrific.

Great points all around. I'll add that those points are one reason I wish that the BSN were built on more robust forum software so we can keep track of posters we are interested in and ignore those we never want to see. I also would like to be able to see more forum stats about myself (even if they are hidden from others) and have a better record of my own postings than we have currently (I have many bookmarked posts from devs and myself).

Bioware is a AAA gaming company, it's time their forums reflected that.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 04 février 2013 - 07:39 .

[Arcadian Legend]

BSN has its great areas and people if you know where to look or tug on the right interests/start the right discussions but for all that there are two more undesirables. BSN has got a bit better since when ME3 first came out, but not by much if anything. Save for areas like this here Off Topic this place isn't the same as it used to be.

ReconTeam wrote...

But I like toxic waste.

Modifié par Arcadian Legend, 04 février 2013 - 07:36 .

[CandleJakk]

Yes, BSN is toxic it is a proven fact...they start out as just...simple kids wanting to chat with others online....then they just get....pulled into the threads....turning into one of THEM....they join the horde....I'm currently searching for other veteran survivors like myself...together we can stand and fight these abominations...

[IllusiveManJr]

I recently made a topic regarding the ME3 MP sub-forum and I described it as toxic. We're you referring to my thread?

I specifically specified the ME3 MP sub-forum a few times without ever referring to BSN as a whole to avoid people getting this impression.


If you're referring to another thread, then ignore this comment.

[CrazyRah]

I don't find the BSN that toxic at all, even less so when compared to other places where i usually visit. There're a lot of redeeming people here that absolutely make it worth it coming here. Sure the place can be better and some people probably should learn to stop with their over the top insults but this do happen in the real world to so not exactly expecting the internet to hold the torch.

The BSN i know is not perfect but neither is it a cesspool of toxic, just need to look at the right places

[Little Queen]

I dont think that BSN is that toxic, i sure get annoyed sometimes but thats all. In fact i think the Blizzard fans are much worse.

[Dominus]

It's full of negativity, sure. Less so than directly after DA2 and (especially) ME3.

Post-Launch of those 2 games was an Eye-Opening experience. I've never seen such a tidal of wave of anger, IRL or otherwise.

The BSN I know is not toxic. The BSN I know is terrific.

I would say it's both. An online message board is going to come with the good and the bad. As you said, it's the nature of the internet.

I don't expect it to change anytime soon.... at the end of the day, It's up to the individual to lead by example. I may have up-and-left early on if it weren't for Legendary users like Phaedon.

Modifié par DominusVita, 04 février 2013 - 11:52 .

[RedArmyShogun]

I keep telling all of you all we need to do is find a Hindu kid so we can summon Captain Planet but nooooooo.

[hoorayforicecream]

For the past year and a half, the more posts I read here, the less I want to continue reading. That's pretty much the definition of a toxic environment to me. It may not have been as toxic before then, but it certainly feels that way now.

[Ophir147]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

For the past year and a half, the more posts I read here, the less I want to continue reading. That's pretty much the definition of a toxic environment to me. It may not have been as toxic before then, but it certainly feels that way now.

Quoted for truth and having read my friggin mind.

BSN, I love you, but you're bringing me down.

[Volus Warlord]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

For the past year and a half, the more posts I read here, the less I want to continue reading. That's pretty much the definition of a toxic environment to me. It may not have been as toxic before then, but it certainly feels that way now.

In all seriousness, what would make it not toxic?

I'm sure anyone could shout out some vague ideals about what would make it non-toxic, but the devil is in the details.. and that is before application.

As an aside, I've noticed many of the "ra-ra BSN is toxic" bunch essentially desire the BSN forumites' outlook to be more or less monopolized with their own. Which, plain and simple, is crazy and a bit narcissistic.

[hoorayforicecream]

Volus Warlord wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

For the past year and a half, the more posts I read here, the less I want to continue reading. That's pretty much the definition of a toxic environment to me. It may not have been as toxic before then, but it certainly feels that way now.

In all seriousness, what would make it not toxic?

I'm sure anyone could shout out some vague ideals about what would make it non-toxic, but the devil is in the details.. and that is before application.

As an aside, I've noticed many of the "ra-ra BSN is toxic" bunch essentially desire the BSN forumites' outlook to be more or less monopolized with their own. Which, plain and simple, is crazy and a bit narcissistic.

Honestly? Respect for other posters' (dissenting) opinions and significantly reduced hostility, especially when those other posters are developers. Instead, what makes it toxic for me is people dismissing dissenting opinions, trying to shout them down rather than actually discuss them, and act out an inability to acknowledge any perspective other than their own.

[SpunkyMonkey]

I'm only a sporadic poster here, but I think a lot of the so called "negativity" is just realism. I certainly don't find the place "toxic", and when it has been I dare say that it's been in reaction to poor game releases. Well, if the game companies are going to wind gamers up in anticipation of their latest product, don't be surprised if the energy they have wound them up with gets released negitively should the product fail to meet expectations.

The only problem I have with this forum is how defensive some (and only some - the minority in fact) can get when they have opposing views from someone else. There's definitely some posters who just refuse to see anyone else's opinion and automatically jump down the throat of anyone the second an alternate view to their own is posted.

I genuinely come here to discuss games. TW2 is a perfect example of a game which I have criticized, but by listening to others opinions & advice on here I have taken a different view and approach to the game, and I'm now appreciating it far more than I did. Sometimes I think others should do the same.

Overall I think it's a cool site. Generally friendly people and a steady atmosphere. My only request would be that when people discuss games they don't get so defensive if they hear something they don't like. After all, it's just a game.

Modifié par SpunkyMonkey, 04 février 2013 - 04:00 .

[mousestalker]

Some of the posters are needlessly nasty. I came across this gem not ten minutes ago:

your 'choice and consequence' is an illusion, have people not realized this yet?
there is a canonical version of events. period. gtfoverit.

I'm not going to name names, but this sort of dismissive attitude coupled with an incorrect premise is why nice posters do not come here often.

[Volus Warlord]

I will not mention how I found this.. but it may be relevant.

[Iosev]

One of the good aspects of BSN is how I haven't seen much judgment of people based on the number of posts or join date.

However, I do find it rather disappointing that I've had to step back from the forums of Bioware's more recent releases to often avoid a lot of the negativity that ensues right after a game's release.  For example, despite enjoying DA 2 and ME 3 , I didn't really return regularly to the DA 2 forums until several months after the game's release, and I still haven't returned to the ME 3 forums (wow, I just realized that it's almost been a year since that game released).

[MerinTB]

EntropicAngel wrote...
I greatly appreciate the mention, Jimmy, bu I would like to point out that I am not new blood. Your "first post,"  thread, remember? I've been at BSN for over a year. Over a year and a half, actually. But, thank you.

I've been here since DA:O was released, which is kind-of about when BSN was born (from what I understand it was set up a little prior to DA:O being released, unless I am mistaken) but I think to all the people who were on the BioWare boards from, say, NWN forward (let alone from the BG's forward) would still consider me quite the newbie.

Just over a year?  Accept your "fresh" status.

[TheRealJayDee]

MerinTB wrote...

I've been here since DA:O was released, which is kind-of about when BSN was born (from what I understand it was set up a little prior to DA:O being released, unless I am mistaken) but I think to all the people who were on the BioWare boards from, say, NWN forward (let alone from the BG's forward) would still consider me quite the newbie.

Just over a year?  Accept your "fresh" status.

Same here, basically.

[Sjpelke]

Forums are there for people to give their opinion on the subjects at hand either in favour or against it, which is why they are started to begin with.

They can become toxic when opinions are not respected and posters are attacked personally not focussing on responds and discussing those.

Ignoring people who do not do what the forum is for is the best way to not toxify it.

[Quixal]

Volus Warlord wrote...
In all seriousness, what would make it not toxic?

I'm sure anyone could shout out some vague ideals about what would make it non-toxic, but the devil is in the details.. and that is before application.

As an aside, I've noticed many of the "ra-ra BSN is toxic" bunch essentially desire the BSN forumites' outlook to be more or less monopolized with their own. Which, plain and simple, is crazy and a bit narcissistic.

A fair question and a fair concern.

I think some fundamental civility would go a long way but that is not exactly a specific desire. The problem is less the ideas thrown around as it is how they are thrown around. People disagree. That isn't going to change any time soon. Nor should it. Variety is the spice of life.

spice =/= poison

As to how to progress towards a more civilized BSN, I havent a clue. Top-down enforcement only hides the problem and creates new ones. And getting everyone on the same page on this is... unlikely.

I will settle for making an arse of myself as little as possible.

[Dave of Canada]

Toxic was used to refer to the player-bases or mechanics of a few popular games, growing into popularity until now the term "toxic" has become synonymous to "troll" as a way to dismiss one's arguments or opinions.