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[me0120]

Paynez wrote...

The only OP shotgun I know of is the Claymore, but it's only OP on PC, it's horrible on XBox.

In time you'll change your mind on everything I quoted. You haven't experienced everything these weapons have to offer yet. When you get your reload-cancelling down the Claymore will be just as powerful as our PC brethren make it look.

[cowwy]

Based on your definition of overpowered I'd say no, but I feel like you're setting up a strawman with that definition don't you think?

I apologize if this comparison has already been made but I only read the first page. The most appropriate comparison I can make for the Reegar is the Sawed Off Shotgun in Gears of War 3. For those who are unaware the SoS had an absurd instakill range, with ridiculous spread which actually made the gun even better because it also widened the one shot range, and could one shot enemies from farther away than the Gnasher (the other shotgun), people claimed it was balanced because it only had 1 shot per clip but if everything is already dead is that much of a balancing factor?

People say that range is the balancing factor for the Reegar, but with the enemies sprinting towards you (I'm looking at you Dragoon) and the myriad of different ways to close distance in a few seconds, is range really an issue?

[solidprice]

Neofelis Nebulosa wrote...

There's only one thing I really dislike about the Reegar from an objective standpoint.

It's no carbine damnit! Why is it called a carbine???





Everything else is irrelevant, people want to use it in whatever way they like, go ahead, you're killing stuff, you're welcome in my lobbies.

[Colonel Sheppard]

It's overpowered, but it can't be nerfed. If it is nerfed no one will take the risk of getting so close to use it. Besides, in reality, you can easily outscore a Reegar wielding player with several other guns, Raider, Piranha, PPR. On big maps, Reegar will do very poorly. I like it the way it is.

[Big Jack Shepard]

A Reegar killed my entire village.

Something needs to be done.

[me0120]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

A Reegar killed my entire village.

Something needs to be done.

Make a new village?

[Stinja]

Why is the fastest platinum solo with a Fury and Hurricane, and not warp+incen+Reegar?

I can see the OPs, and other point, and the Overpowered side seem to be cherry picking at times: why argue DPS and the headshot damage dps, but then say "point and click ... no skill"?

If arguing no-skill use, then don't include headshot damage in the discussion.
If arguing total DPS, then you do in fact have to AIM for the head.

I call Meh, it's fine, I don't see it as often as the Harrier in PUG lobbies.

[FlowCytometry]

tyhw wrote...
C)  In a game with 4 good players, this does not mean that you will necessarily top score (unless you vanguard).  Players who shoot well can eliminate mooks before you reach them, which make up most of your points (on Gold).  But if you solo, or have to carry, or just need to down a boss by yourself, the Reegar will always provide you the easiest, fastest, time.  Unless you're really good at shooting

I think that's the most important counter-point- that you do lose time in having to be close to do anything with the gun. Even in a skilled player' hands that's still a factor that should make the Reegar more powerful than most other guns as compensation. But the gun does have too many extreme or odd attributes associated with it atm.

[rcolol]

Stinja wrote...

I call Meh, it's fine, I don't see it as often as the Harrier in PUG lobbies.

Most people I talk to including myself find it incredibly boring to use.

[Tybo]

FlowCytometry wrote...

tyhw wrote...
C)  In a game with 4 good players, this does not mean that you will necessarily top score (unless you vanguard).  Players who shoot well can eliminate mooks before you reach them, which make up most of your points (on Gold).  But if you solo, or have to carry, or just need to down a boss by yourself, the Reegar will always provide you the easiest, fastest, time.  Unless you're really good at shooting

I think that's the most important counter-point- that you do lose time in having to be close to do anything with the gun. Even in a skilled player' hands that's still a factor that should make the Reegar more powerful than most other guns as compensation. But the gun does have too many extreme or odd attributes associated with it atm.

More powerful?  Sure, I definitely agree with that.  But there's a world of difference between more powerful and where the Reegar is at now.  I will say though that IMO that time lost getting close is only significant if you're on a really good team, doing at least 18 minute no rocket runs on not glacier.  Any slower and the reegar will probably be doing a ton of the killing.

[TheKillerAngel]

My points, which seem to have been lost in all of this, are that:

1. People bandy around with the term "overpowered" far too glibly. To me, something is overpowered if it demonstrably dominates and upsets/breaks the metagame. The pre-nerf Krysae did this.

2. The Reegar is a very powerful weapon but there are better weapon choices for classes that are not capable of sustained close quarters combat. The Reegar occupies a niche role, it is SUPERB at what it does, but its a weapon that lacks versatility.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 04 février 2013 - 08:03 .

[heybigmoney]

Yes and no. Its got freakish dmg along with ease of use, but its also pretty suboptimal on the most powerful classes in the game.

Fix incendiary warp and it loses its ability to one clip bosses, which is probably where most of the nerd rage is coming from.

[Javo2357]

I agree, with the points you made OP.

The Reegar is one of the most optimal weapons you can take for some setups but I can think of many other weapons that are just as or more effective on different kits/setups. It does not break the game imo and it doesn't trivialize a lot of the other shotguns either.

[me0120]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

My points, which seem to have been lost in all of this, are that:

1. People bandy around with the term "overpowered" far too glibly. To me, something is overpowered if it demonstrably dominates and upsets/breaks the metagame. The pre-nerf Krysae did this.

2. The Reegar is a very powerful weapon but there are better weapon choices for classes that are not capable of sustained close quarters combat. The Reegar occupies a niche role, it is SUPERB at what it does, but its a weapon that lacks versatility.

High risk - high reward will always be confused with overpowered from people looking from the outside. People only choose to see the part that makes something look powerful, and focus on that. 

All your points in this post I can agree with. 

[kaileena_sands]

Paynez wrote...

I don't see how the Reegar is OP. The only OP shotgun I know of is the Claymore, but it's only OP on PC, it's horrible on XBox.

Claymore is hardly the most OP shotgun. The Reegar, Piranha and Raider (yes, with the small remark that they have limited range) out-DPS it.

MyWhiteNostrils wrote...

Sure it has negative bonus against armor, but seriously, point, shoot, dead. Its a brainless weapon.

Implying that all other decent guns don't just require you to point, shoot, dead... There are a few a bit trickier weapons in this game (like the Kishock), but otherwise shooting your gun is generally a brainless activity. `t is not nuclear physics. 

cowwy wrote...

People say that range is the balancing factor for the Reegar, but with the enemies sprinting towards you (I'm looking at you Dragoon) and the myriad of different ways to close distance in a few seconds, is range really an issue?

It isn't. But it will prevent you from being an efficient killer in certain situations. It is a drawback indeed, even if it is (ideally) a tiny one. For example, take a Kroguard/Reegar on Hydra with 3 Javelin GIs (or even the other infiltrators, no need for the GI really). Have fun not killing anything.

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 04 février 2013 - 08:16 .

[me0120]

kaileena_sands wrote...

Implying that all other decent guns don't just require you to point, shoot, dead... There are a few a bit trickier weapons in this game (like the Kishock), but otherwise shooting your gun is generally a brainless activity. `t is not nuclear physics. 

The basics are a lot easier than people think. :happy:

[kaileena_sands]

Paynez wrote...

kaileena_sands wrote...

Paynez wrote...

I don't see how the Reegar is OP. The only OP shotgun I know of is the Claymore, but it's only OP on PC, it's horrible on XBox.

Claymore is hardly the most OP shotgun. The Reegar, Piranha and Raider (yes, with the small remark that they have limited range) out-DPS it.

Twas an inside joke.

lol

Hahah, well inside jokes are hard to get.  I always rush to the rescue of my lovely Claymore. I am convinced is dat sound.  I think that only the Saber can compare to its wonderful sound. xD

[Schachmatt123]

A weapon on certain characters on a certain map vs. a certain faction that can net 165k in 30 minutes, without any risk at all, even if the players only have little skill ... and with a little practice it can net them 300k in 40 minutes ... all it takes is a lvl II inc. ammo amp and maybe a lvl III one plus a few rockets in the later variant ...

Is it OP? You decide.

[Titus Thongger]

the reegar isnt that great on big, wide open maps. unless you're a kroguard or a turian havoc, you'll be taking tons of fire as you try to close the distance. especailly vs geth and collectors

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Nah it's not. It's only "overpowered" with high level AP or Incendiary ammo. Anyway, I prefer Raider, Piranha and Claymore over it.

[Big Jack Shepard]

me0120 wrote...

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

A Reegar killed my entire village.

Something needs to be done.

Make a new village?

Are you trying to be funny?

[Big Jack Shepard]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Nah it's not. It's only "overpowered" with high level AP or Incendiary ammo. Anyway, I prefer Raider, Piranha and Claymore over it.

No.

[Crimson Vanguard]

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Nah it's not. It's only "overpowered" with high level AP or Incendiary ammo. Anyway, I prefer Raider, Piranha and Claymore over it.

True Krogans use Claymore. Leave the Reegar for those sissy Quarians.

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Big Jack Shepard wrote...

3XT3RM1N4TUS wrote...

Nah it's not. It's only "overpowered" with high level AP or Incendiary ammo. Anyway, I prefer Raider, Piranha and Claymore over it.

No.

Yes.