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[Indy_S]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Plus, exactly how would you imagine the crew present in ME2 reacting to her dropping the masquerade?
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They wouldn't react at all given how most squadmates didn't even acknowledge each others' existence in 2.

For a story revolving around the idea of building the ultimate team for most of its duration, you do almost nothing to actually make your group of disaparate killers and criminals into any sort of cohesive unit. 

You could probably hire a Collector and no one would notice. 

Garrus would say "It's an interesting choice but we can't afford to be choosy" if you left the Collector with him during his recruitment.

Now I kind of want a mod that replaces Shepard and the whole squad with Collectors. And Collectors with Humans. I feel that would make for a very different ME2.

[EarthboundNess]

Good points OP. Can't see it happening myself though, but here's hoping

Modifié par Earthbound N, 05 février 2013 - 12:38 .

[Asch Lavigne]

Would like it as well but think its probably way too late for them to be adding changes like this.

[Abraham_uk]

ChuckTesla wrote...

Omanisat wrote...

Why do any of you even have that monster alive? To hell with Morinth.

Dominate is my favorite power, that's why.

Personally, I felt like it was just an issue of Morinth's story being pretty much written. There isn't really too much you can do with her story-wise after the loyalty mission in ME2. The fact that Jacob got more love than her in ME3 is a crime, but that's a different problem.

I wanted dominate so badly that I purchassed Leviathan DLC to get it

[AlexMBrennan]

My point is that, at some point, Shepard would have tell Garrus/Tali/EDI that he didn't kill Morinth as claimed but murdered Samara instead if Morinth did drop the masquerade. I'd love to see that conversation.

Thing is... if the squad was that ambivalent then why bother with the deception in the first place?

[kalasaurus]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

My point is that, at some point, Shepard would have tell Garrus/Tali/EDI that he didn't kill Morinth as claimed but murdered Samara instead if Morinth did drop the masquerade. I'd love to see that conversation.

Thing is... if the squad was that ambivalent then why bother with the deception in the first place?

It's odd indeed.  Kelly notices a change in Samara.  Kasumi knows she's Morinth post-SM.  Grunt even calls her an "Asari s1ut" on Tuchanka.  Some people suspect/ know, while others remain oblivious.

[rekn2]

GlassElephant wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

My point is that, at some point, Shepard would have tell Garrus/Tali/EDI that he didn't kill Morinth as claimed but murdered Samara instead if Morinth did drop the masquerade. I'd love to see that conversation.

Thing is... if the squad was that ambivalent then why bother with the deception in the first place?

It's odd indeed.  Kelly notices a change in Samara.  Kasumi knows she's Morinth post-SM.  Grunt even calls her an "Asari s1ut" on Tuchanka.  Some people suspect/ know, while others remain oblivious.

got a link to the kasumi or grunt vid?

[Asch Lavigne]

GlassElephant wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

My point is that, at some point, Shepard would have tell Garrus/Tali/EDI that he didn't kill Morinth as claimed but murdered Samara instead if Morinth did drop the masquerade. I'd love to see that conversation.

Thing is... if the squad was that ambivalent then why bother with the deception in the first place?

It's odd indeed.  Kelly notices a change in Samara.  Kasumi knows she's Morinth post-SM.  Grunt even calls her an "Asari s1ut" on Tuchanka.  Some people suspect/ know, while others remain oblivious.

Yeah, she breaks character (posing as Samara) on Tuchanka. I loved it but thought it was so weird that Grunt (if he's with you at the moment) just knows it her and then stays quiet for no reason. Didn't think he could be threatened by Morinth's presence, especially since he calls her a name.

Kelly knowing made sense. And i liked that at least someone on the squad (Kasumi) noticed. I mean imitating a voice is one thing. Mannerisms, body labguage, etc... is somethign else. Everyone else on the ship is either dumb, keeping their mouth shut, or too into their own little world.

[Nightwriter]

Morinth was kind of boned from minute one. Even in ME2, I never saw any reason to pick her over Samara except to unlock the bonus power (and even then I quickly reloaded). She piqued my interest as a character, but she gets like one unique convo after you bring her back to the ship, and afterward quickly becomes inert. Samara gets how many post-LM convos? Four? The game just doesn't offer you enough content for Morinth to make you willing to swallow your morals and choose her.

She's practically a monument to how severely BioWare overextended itself in ME2 with these characters. Looking back I'd say she's a classic case of "if you can't do it right, don't create that character to begin with, and put the resources somewhere else."

[Seboist]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

My point is that, at some point, Shepard would have tell Garrus/Tali/EDI that he didn't kill Morinth as claimed but murdered Samara instead if Morinth did drop the masquerade. I'd love to see that conversation.

Thing is... if the squad was that ambivalent then why bother with the deception in the first place?

Cutting corners; Other than a few unique lines post-mission all recruiting Morinth ammounts to is replacing Samara.... with Samara.

I fail to see what would be the big deal about announcing Morinth to everyone seeing as how nobody besides Jacob displayed any signs of caring for Samara and nobody's phased that a career criminal super biotic that hates Cerberus is allowed to roam around freely on the ship.

Modifié par Seboist, 06 février 2013 - 01:39 .

[iOnlySignIn]

Seboist wrote...

I fail to see what would be the big deal about announcing Morinth to everyone seeing as how nobody besides Jacob displayed any signs of caring for Samara and nobody's phased that a career criminal super biotic that hates Cerberus is allowed to roam around freely on the ship.

The big deal is not that Morinth is a murderer - all of Shepard's teammates are murderers.

The big deal is that she's a sex vampire. There're plenty of outlets for violence on Shepard's missions, but not much for sex. She has to look for it elsewhere, e.g. on the ship.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 06 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[Dominus]

She piqued my interest as a character, but she gets like one unique convo after you bring her back to the ship, and afterward quickly becomes inert.

That about sums it up. I had a far stronger fancy for Morinth(despite the morally questionable-ness), but there's little to nothing after the apartment scene. It was a tease, one that seemed greatly mishandled in ME3. Yeah, it's overextension.

[Seboist]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

The big deal is not that Morinth is a murderer - all of Shepard's teammates are murderers.

The big deal is that she's a sex vampire. There're plenty of outlets for violence on Shepard's missions, but not much for sex. She has to look for it elsewhere, e.g. on the ship.

Recruited Morinth is very... focused on Shepard only, so I doubt that would be an issue.

Besides, you can always unleash her on Shepard's enemies to get her kicks.

[Doofe2012]

I was very sad to see Morinth only have that terrible cameo in ME3, as well. I actually typed up an outline of sorts on the Mass Effect subreddit about how Morinth could have been in ME3:

I'd have made her somewhat like Jack in that you can reject her sexual advances and actually develop a real romantic relationship with her. Shepard would be his infuriatingly altruistic and caring self, and Morinth would be all, "What are these feelings? Am I actually starting to care about the man?" (I'm kind of a sap for these things.)

The sex scene prior to the SM would be Morinth not wanting to kill Shepard, and he helps her learn to be physically intimate and not hurt the other person for the first time in her life by just not initiating the meld (which takes her a lot of effort and the player actually thinks for a second that it won't work and she'll just kill Shepard).

After the SM, when Shepard goes to visit Morinth, she'd practically tackle him with an embrace, crying tears of joy, showering his face with kisses and thanking him profusely for enabling her to be a real woman (well, asari).

The real bonus: Morinth never leaves the Normandy. She supports Shepard during his time in Alliance custody and is a permanent squadmate for all of ME3.

But of course, this is not without some tragedy in the future. At the monastery mission, Morinth will try to sacrifice herself to save both Rila and Falere. There is a Renegade interrupt to keep Morinth from doing so, but this results in her being somewhat sour toward Shepard for the next 2-3 missions.

[Offender_Mullet]

Handmaiden, when ME3 came out I was a little upset that Morinth got the "e-mail treatment". But then I realized (yeah sure she was 'badass' for the very little dialogue she had) she was never a fleshed-out character to begin with so basically.......who cares?

Emily Wong dlc ftw!

Modifié par Offender_Mullet, 06 février 2013 - 03:45 .

[Red Panda]

Doesn't Morinth get her own boss fight?

[kalasaurus]

@rekn2

Grunt notices Morinth break character:

I can't find a video on Kasumi, but she basically warns Shepard that she thinks that Morinth will go after her/him and not to give in. It's just one of her ambient conversations.

[Handmaiden]

@Offender_Mullet
I thought she was pretty defined as a character in ME2 from her mom's descriptions and her reputation. Her favorite movie is Vaenia (apparently a movie about glamorous women), her favorite band is Expel 10, she likes clubbing, she uses the drug Hallex, she likes strong but sophisticated people, she admires art, danger excites her, she lives life to the fullest and doesn't worry about the consequences. Just all of these things gave me a better grasp on who Morinth was more than Samara.

Don't get me wrong, I love Samara, she's my second favorite character! (which is another reason I hate Morinth's treatment, I have to give up a lot of Samara content just for some crappy Morinth content in ME3 along with a false hope she'll show up in a DLC) But other than an awesome outfit, bad-ass powers and a cool voice there wasn't much known about her. She trained as a Justicar for centuries that's kind of cool but she was still very strange, but Morinth, you get all sorts of details about her personality.

And yes, I agree that she didn't get much content in ME2 but I was hoping they would FIX that in ME3, not go the opposite direction! I thought "Well, maybe they added Morinth last minute but in ME3 they can make her more of her own character and not disguise her as her mom because she doesn't need to anymore", and they completely ruined that opportunity!

And Emily Wong, while I do like her more than Diana Allers, I thought she was pretty boring. I honestly don't even remember her too much, I remember the one I punched but I forgot who Emily Wong was :/ and she wasn't a squadmate or anything. I do think it would be cool to see her in a DLC, along with Kal'Reegar, but I think Morinth should be a higher priority. Not just because I think she's awesome, but she was a squadmate and currently ME3 is extremely unfair towards the people who picked her (it's not that little of a percent, my brother doesn't like her but picked her as his Renegade just to be different from his main save, I'm sure there's a lot of players like him that want to see every possible outcome)

@OperatingWookie She doesn't really get her own boss fight, just one of the Banshee's you see on Earth if you picked Samara in ME2 has the name Morinth, nothing more.

Modifié par Handmaiden, 06 février 2013 - 04:44 .

[Asch Lavigne]

I thought the fact that she saw through the Suicide Mission, stayed in her room and didn't go after anyone, sent a goodbye e-mail to Shep and tried to contact her sisters via e-mails proved that there was more to her than the monster Samara made her out to be.

[Scowlyface]

HagarIshay wrote...

Volc19 wrote...
She'll show up as long as she survived the CB, as far as I'm aware.

Nope

I'm not wrong on this one, at least.

Almost. All thats important for kelly to show up in ME3 is the dinner and surviving suicide mission, you dont have to fully romance her or romance her at all if you chose the neutral option in the first convo. thats why the dinner is left ambiguous, kelly only comments on them saying up to late. I literally just did the playthrough. got the dinner, stop talking to her, romanced miranda, saved kelly from collectors, and there she is in ME3

[Han Shot First]

Nero Narmeril wrote...

Considering that probably only 5% of fans ever had Morinth as a squadmate, you can just about guarantee that she won't be a character in the next DLC.

About 5% of fans didn't take Garrus to squad in ME1, but in ME2 it is detected and there are different dialogues.. Your argument is invalid.

We'll see how valid it is when the next DLC drops.

I guarantee Morinth won't be in it.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Asch Lavigne wrote...
Kelly knowing made sense. And i liked that at least someone on the squad (Kasumi) noticed. I mean imitating a voice is one thing. Mannerisms, body labguage, etc... is somethign else. Everyone else on the ship is either dumb, keeping their mouth shut, or too into their own little world.

I'd still like to know why nobody picks up on "Samara" screaming "Fear the power of the Ardat-Yakshi" or whatever Morinth's battle cry is while in combat.

[SpamBot2000]

HagarIshay wrote...

I get there are budget problems, but turning her into a banshee was just a slap in the face for both her and her fans. 

Fixed. 

Sorry, couldn't resist....

[Handmaiden]

@Han Shot First
Either way your argument is invalid because you say she can't show up because a tiny amount of players picked her, when they change the story if you don't pick Garrus. So either way it's invalid because even if she doesn't show up in a DLC, the reason is obviously not why you say it is, or else they wouldn't have changed the story if you didn't get Garrus. Your argument is already contradicted.

And obviously not that tiny of an amount of players picked her, because there are players on this thread noting her different battle cries in combat, knowing about her Banshee appearance and the E-Mails she sends to Shepard and her sisters in ME3, knowing how she disguises herself as her mom and knowing how she breaks character on Tuchanka. If almost nobody picked her they wouldn't know all of this.

And she has a good amount of fans, I know because I see them on Morinth fan groups/pages/art. Just because you don't like a character doesn't mean other people don't.

@FlyingSquirrel They probably don't know what an Ardat Yakshi is, since the Asari keep them secret, so they just think Samara's yelling some weird battle cry or something.

Modifié par Handmaiden, 07 février 2013 - 01:50 .

[Col.Aurion]

My question is, How the heck do you even know that banshee is even morinth in the first place?