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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Liamv2 wrote...

They won't make a DLC for just one ending

This. 

There you go, OP. Question answered. 

[RocketManSR2]

They had the chance with the EC. We got a "STFU" and told to imagine our own happy endings and if we didn't do that we were choosing to make ourselves miserable. It was utterly ridiculous. I need a positive place to begin my headcanon and neither the original Destroy ending nor the EC version provided that. I've already explained why and really don't feel like saying it again.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 04 février 2013 - 07:41 .

[CronoDragoon]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
This. 

There you go, OP. Question answered. 

You don't need Shepard to be alive to make post-ending cinematics for the other endings, though. I for one would love a cinematic of your crew discovering the Shepard-AI within the Citadel in Control.

[Mouton_Alpha]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...
This. 

There you go, OP. Question answered. 

You don't need Shepard to be alive to make post-ending cinematics for the other endings, though. I for one would love a cinematic of your crew discovering the Shepard-AI within the Citadel in Control.

Or a Reaper flying up to the crew, landing, fog-horns, tremors and all, then leaning close:
"WE ARE CALLED OBLITERATOR. WE HAVE A MESSAGE FOR YOU"
[switch to cheerful Shepard voice]
"Hey Garrus, how are ya doing?"

[Mcfly616]

Sion1138 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...
I'd rather have it be a cinematic scene than a slide. That way I could see my Shepards face. 

It would be nice, as I said. But at the same time, I don't absolutely need it. It doesn't make or break my experience because I'm aware of the fact that he's alive, he's not just gonna lay there in the rubble, and his crew is coming to get him.


I've actually always had the impression that they would've most definitely extended the breathe scene in the EC had it not been for the IT crowd....

Perhaps, but perhaps not considering it would have left the other scenarios feeling stunted.

But like I said, it could have been done for all endings.

For the green ending, the best thing to do would be to retcon out the forced sacrifice. Have Shepard be reconstituded by the Citadel's secret Genesis device, or have him not be disintegrated but teleported back to the transporter beam on Earth instead, where soldiers would find him. Even with the sacrifice you could still do it, I'm not exactly sure as to how, I have ideas but nothing concrete. 

For the blue ending, simply have a Reaper project a hologram of his in front of the squad. Have one last dialogue option.

For the red one, simply have him stand up out of the rubble and just answer a radio call by Hackett by saying "I'm here." 

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All that said, I do not personally think it's worth the effort anymore. The experience is pretty much written in stone by now.

well, as you're probably aware... I'm fine with the endings the way they are after the EC. I was simply saying I could see where some people would like an extension to the breathe scene. I can't really relate to those that say it ruins their experience. I'm not talking about a reunion or some crazy RotK epilogue....simply an extension of the breathe scene. Him getting out of the rubble, or your L.I. putting their hand out and pulling you up.

I don't need anything changed (Shepard surviving synthesis, Destroy not killing the Geth) because then it really wouldnt make sense. Him dying in synthesis, and the Geth dying in Destroy make sense just fine now

And the only reason I believe they had plans to extend it, but scrapped it is because they had a poll a week before it was released, asking: Do you believe in IT, Yes or No. 80% said yes. It was a larger than usual sample size if I remember correctly. Due to it being on the Retake site.

(I believe many people voted "Yes" because they believed it was the only way they'd get a completely different ending)

Modifié par Mcfly616, 04 février 2013 - 06:21 .

[3DandBeyond]

Mcfly616 wrote...
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I'd rather have it be a cinematic scene than a slide. That way I could see my Shepards face. 

It would be nice, as I said. But at the same time, I don't absolutely need it. It doesn't make or break my experience because I'm aware of the fact that he's alive, he's not just gonna lay there in the rubble, and his crew is coming to get him.


I've actually always had the impression that they would've most definitely extended the breathe scene in the EC had it not been for the IT crowd....

Well, maybe but I think the truth is here that if this is true I think they underestimate some things.  I think there comes a point where people would just rather know what the ending is.  Now, if all roads lead to dead Shepards then good bye.  But I think even IT people would think it's better to know what the intent of all this was.  I'm not equating the two, so I mean no insult to ITers (I don't see them as conspiracy theorists), but if people believe a conspiracy exists then proving it does not will satisfy some and they'll accept the proof as truth.  There will be others that never will believe proof exists.  It's like all the ideas that popped up that said Destroy in the EC proved IT was wrong.  Well, I don't see that it changes anything.  Or that Leviathan proves something, same thing I don't see that it changes things.  And I'm no ITer.  I say if you believe that IT is the only explanation then nothing disputes it.  Otherwise you believe that it is the explanation until something proves otherwise.  Nothing wrong with that.

You could extend that scene and still not effect the beliefs of those that see IT as THE explanation.

[wright1978]

Mcfly616 wrote...

well, as you're probably aware... I'm fine with the endings the way they are after the EC. I was simply saying I could see where some people would like an extension to the breathe scene. I can't really relate to those that say it ruins their experience. I'm not talking about a reunion or some crazy RotK epilogue....simply an extension of the breathe scene. Him getting out of the rubble, or your L.I. putting their hand out and pulling you up.

I don't need anything changed (Shepard surviving synthesis, Destroy not killing the Geth) because then it really wouldnt make sense. Him dying in synthesis, and the Geth dying in Destroy make sense just fine now

And the only reason I believe they had plans to extend it, but scrapped it is because they had a poll a week before it was released, asking: Do you believe in IT, Yes or No. 80% said yes. It was a larger than usual sample size if I remember correctly. Due to it being on the Retake site.

(I believe many people voted "Yes" because they believed it was the only way they'd get a completely different ending)

Breath scene makes me more angry post EC, as they treated it with contempt. It is tagged on the end like garbage that they wanted to get rid of. Should have been integrated, clarified and expanded upon as part of the epilogue. Breaks the epilogue completely for me.

Missed that poll(so can'tcomment) but i know from the months' prior to that from here is that it was clear that people wanted clarification of breath scene. Instead they removed ambiguity from other endings and trolled Shep lives with their it could be his/her last breath ambiguity comments.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I think Synthesis would have been better with Shepard's survival. Think of this: Only Shepard is synthesized, and the reapers are "freed". Shepard becomes a (successful) prototype of Synthesis and he convinces the rest of the galaxy to follow his lead. Kinda vaguely religious but certainly better than the present case.

[wright1978]

pirate1802 wrote...

I think Synthesis would have been better with Shepard's survival. Think of this: Only Shepard is synthesized, and the reapers are "freed". Shepard becomes a (successful) prototype of Synthesis and he convinces the rest of the galaxy to follow his lead. Kinda vaguely religious but certainly better than the present case.

There's many ways they could have done the current endings differently, with different benefits and negative consequences. My view beyond that is that there should always be at least one ending where Protaganist lives as i don't railroading protaganist death in RPG is acceptable. Having a living ending and not providing an iota of clarification for that ending in comparison with the death endings is still pretty awful imo.

[Eterna]

crimzontearz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Because Casey and Mac cannot admitt they screwed up

They already did by making the Extended Cut.

read their statement


 
"we are sorry YOU did not feel the ending was up to par and it hurts us"

If you apologized like that for something you did wrong, as a child, what would your mother tell you?

Yeah no, you don't deserve an apology for an ending. Get over yourself. 

[crimzontearz]

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Because Casey and Mac cannot admitt they screwed up

They already did by making the Extended Cut.

read their statement


 
"we are sorry YOU did not feel the ending was up to par and it hurts us"

If you apologized like that for something you did wrong, as a child, what would your mother tell you?

Yeah no, you don't deserve an apology for an ending. Get over yourself. 

don't argument was not about deserving but delivery. they felt we did, or were told to and gave us a left handed apology. Other devs felt we deserved an apology for other things and VERY  sincerely apologized.

Also you do not get to decide who deserves what Eterna, but it is cute that you think you do

[Iakus]

crimzontearz wrote...

Also you do not get to decide who deserves what Eterna, but it is cute that you think you do

Don't feed the troll, crimzon.

[3DandBeyond]

Sion1138 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Well, maybe but I think the truth is here that if this is true I think they underestimate some things.  I think there comes a point where people would just rather know what the ending is.  Now, if all roads lead to dead Shepards then good bye.  But I think even IT people would think it's better to know what the intent of all this was.  I'm not equating the two, so I mean no insult to ITers (I don't see them as conspiracy theorists), but if people believe a conspiracy exists then proving it does not will satisfy some and they'll accept the proof as truth.  There will be others that never will believe proof exists.  It's like all the ideas that popped up that said Destroy in the EC proved IT was wrong.  Well, I don't see that it changes anything.  Or that Leviathan proves something, same thing I don't see that it changes things.  And I'm no ITer.  I say if you believe that IT is the only explanation then nothing disputes it.  Otherwise you believe that it is the explanation until something proves otherwise.  Nothing wrong with that.

You could extend that scene and still not effect the beliefs of those that see IT as THE explanation.

I do think that a more positive outcome for the player character in all endings, a proper reward for playing the game would be appreciated even by the IT people, regardless of the fact that it disproves their theories.

Yes, there are ways that could be applied and not be in conflict with what ITers believe.

[Eterna]

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Because Casey and Mac cannot admitt they screwed up

They already did by making the Extended Cut.

read their statement


 
"we are sorry YOU did not feel the ending was up to par and it hurts us"

If you apologized like that for something you did wrong, as a child, what would your mother tell you?

Yeah no, you don't deserve an apology for an ending. Get over yourself. 

don't argument was not about deserving but delivery. they felt we did, or were told to and gave us a left handed apology. Other devs felt we deserved an apology for other things and VERY  sincerely apologized.

Also you do not get to decide who deserves what Eterna, but it is cute that you think you do

They apologized that their fanbase didn't understand what they were going for and therefore set out to clarify it. They never intended to apologize for making something you didn't like.

Do you not think it is a tad bit asinine to think you deserve an apolgy for not liking someones game?

[CPTHughJardon]

i dont know about an apology but i would like to know where this "definitive ending" is if you pick destroy.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Also you do not get to decide who deserves what Eterna, but it is cute that you think you do

Don't feed the troll, crimzon.

Well someone has to do it.  Trolls gotta eat.  But truthfully, BW has consistently pointed to the problem being one of fans not understanding or fans not seeing the truth, the way, and the light.  And then apparently fans need some juvenile slide shows and some cutscenes to prove just how wrong they were.  The EC even came with another statement of how stupid fans were in that they just made up the idea of destroyed relays destroying the galaxy.  Stupid fans, stupid, stupid.

Not expecting any kind of apology.  Would have been nice, would have helped to repair things and have shown them to be more than just a company that makes things, but people that like to make things and get to make money doing that.  But, don't tell me the problem is just one I made up or that it exists because I just don't understand something.  I"m no genius, but I have a brain.  And the internet has a memory where all that they have said will exist for all time-their own words.

If I told my mother "I'm sorry you imagined what I said in a way I never intended", well I still would not be able to sit down (paddling was common in ancient times when I was young).  But at least my sentence contains the words "I'm sorry". 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 04 février 2013 - 07:30 .

[crimzontearz]

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Argolas wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Because Casey and Mac cannot admitt they screwed up

They already did by making the Extended Cut.

read their statement


 
"we are sorry YOU did not feel the ending was up to par and it hurts us"

If you apologized like that for something you did wrong, as a child, what would your mother tell you?

Yeah no, you don't deserve an apology for an ending. Get over yourself. 

don't argument was not about deserving but delivery. they felt we did, or were told to and gave us a left handed apology. Other devs felt we deserved an apology for other things and VERY  sincerely apologized.

Also you do not get to decide who deserves what Eterna, but it is cute that you think you do

They apologized that their fanbase didn't understand what they were going for and therefore set out to clarify it. They never intended to apologize for making something you didn't like.

Do you not think it is a tad bit asinine to think you deserve an apolgy for not liking someones game?

no, but I believe we deserved one for being lied to, yes, misleading equates to lying to me and, as I said, some devs already apologized about that but not mac and casey who were the ones who went on with rather misleading (if not utterly false in some cases) statements.


 
Also, we all got and understood their endings, ot was obvious we did not like them and the contradictory statements made by Mac (post ending galactic wasteland) in relation with the retconning of the mass destruction of the relays in the EC and the "up to interpretation" bs line suggest it was not just a matter of not getting it. 

[3DandBeyond]

Eterna5 wrote...


They apologized that their fanbase didn't understand what they were going for and therefore set out to clarify it. They never intended to apologize for making something you didn't like.

Do you not think it is a tad bit asinine to think you deserve an apolgy for not liking someones game?

Actually this whole post is, well, wrong.  They never apologized for one thing.  And how about the fact that they created a game that set up endings that never then were created.  No, I didn't write all that dialogue they allowed me to put into Shepard's mouth.  Would have been nice if they'd created an ending that went along with that story that they created-the dialogue and the character they created and let me decide to play.  There is not ending for that.  And no it's not asinine to ask for an apology for all that crap that spewed out of their mouths that they did not have to say that was used to get us to buy this game.  Stuff that later was not true and was only discovered well after a heck of a lot of people could no longer even beg for a refund.  Well, maybe I am old school, but when I lied as a little kid and that was discovered, I had to apologize and it had to be in this format, "I'm sorry for doing something wrong."  Not, "You didn't like what I did.  I didn't lie about it and you should really like it.  And oh yeah, it's your fault."

The EC was not an apology.  It was a way to look like they'd done something (so IGN could praise their magnanimous gesture and once again heap on ungrateful fans), and to keep DLC money flowing.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 04 février 2013 - 08:19 .