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[AlanC9]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...

I long for the day these damned publishers are crushed under the heel of someone even greedier than they are...

having to be online all the time to play a single player game is the most absurd thing i've ever heard.

Good thing that isn't necessary. Origin runs just fine offline -- as long as you set it to offline mode while you do have a working connection.

But you do need to patch it to current when you first set it up.

That's not okay.

Sure. Different issue, though.

I can't recall the last time I didn't want to run a game patched anyway. When have you found this advantageous?

[iOnlySignIn]

Request denied.

[Spitfire017]

I have never dealt with Origin before.
And, I hate the idea of it (I am one of those who had major problems in trying to register their ME3 and other issues). I don't see the need to download some damn program to play a game I am putting out good money for, especially if I am going to buy a copy at the mall!! I do miss the good old days where registry was be simple...buy game, plug in code on back off manual, play.

But, by reading this thread, is it correct to say that Origin is like EA version of Steam? I like Steam and haven't had any problems with it.

Modifié par Spitfire017, 05 février 2013 - 03:57 .

[XX-Pyro]

Spitfire017 wrote...

I have never dealt with Origin before.
And, I hate the idea of it (I am one of those who had major problems in trying to register their ME3 and other issues). I don't see the need to download some damn program to play a game I am putting out good money for, especially if I am going to buy a copy at the mall!! I do miss the good old days where registry was be simple...buy game, plug in code on back off manual, play.

But, by reading this thread, is it correct to say that Origin is like EA version of Steam? I like Steam and haven't had any problems with it.

If you had problems with ME3 why not just download Origin? I don't understand.

[Bullets McDeath]

I used to feel the same way about Origin, until I tried it and now I love it.

Also, Cats is the best Broadway musical of all time.

[DiebytheSword]

Origin is here to stay, its rough around the edges, but they are slowly adressing my problems with it. It will never be steam, it will never compete on steams level, but they are going to push it anyway because that's how a corporation works. Take market share, don't concede it to the other guy.

[Addai]

EntropicAngel wrote...

But I've found--and found this mostly on the ME3 forums prior to release--that most people who hate Origin love Steam. This is a double standard, and I'm very eager to point it out.

No it's not.  Steam is my digital platform of choice (apart from GOG.com) and it works.  It offers me a service- cheap games, mostly, since I don't use the cloud feature or forums.  Origin offers me nothing.  The exclusivity boondoggle also means I can't buy the games on my platform of choice.

Modifié par Addai67, 05 février 2013 - 05:08 .

[Spitfire017]

XX-Pyro wrote...

Spitfire017 wrote...

I have never dealt with Origin before.
And, I hate the idea of it (I am one of those who had major problems in trying to register their ME3 and other issues). I don't see the need to download some damn program to play a game I am putting out good money for, especially if I am going to buy a copy at the mall!! I do miss the good old days where registry was be simple...buy game, plug in code on back off manual, play.

But, by reading this thread, is it correct to say that Origin is like EA version of Steam? I like Steam and haven't had any problems with it.

If you had problems with ME3 why not just download Origin? I don't understand.

Cause I don't want to be forced to do download something I don't need or want?
I had no problems playing it, but just registering my copy here on BSN. I had to use my old xbox live account and create a entire new account here on BSN  just to register my game so I can post in ME3 forum. It was fracking frustrating. 

Modifié par Spitfire017, 05 février 2013 - 04:57 .

[craigdolphin]

Well, it's EA's choice whether to force origin on buyers of new copies of da3 for pc. Totally their choice. I get no say and I've learned to accept that, much as it galls me.

But likewise, EA gets no say on how I spend my money. And if da3 appeals enough for me to want to play, then here's how my choice of spending will play out.

Forced Origin client? I'll buy a second hand copy for console.

No forced origin client? I'll buy new for pc.

No threats, just fact. It's what I did with ME3 when my wife decided she wanted to play it despite the ending controversy. QED

[Sylvius the Mad]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sure. Different issue, though.

I can't recall the last time I didn't want to run a game patched anyway. When have you found this advantageous?

DAO.  Patch 1.02 nerfed spellcasting.  Until I had a mod to fix that, I didn't want patch 1.02.  Also, patch 1.03 made Lieutenant rank enemies unshatterable, which I think fundamentally alters the game.  And as a core mechanic change, this doesn't appear to be moddable, so I continue to play a modded 1.02 rather than patching to 1.03.

Furthermore, since 1.03 is mandatory to play Leliana's Song, Witch Hunt, and Awakening, being unable to rollback patches would mean that even installing one of those campaigns would prevent me from ever playing my preferred version of DAO again.

Also, a NWN2 patch removed friendly fire from enemies, fundamentally breaking difficulty levels above Normal.

The same happened in NWN, when a patch removed friendly fire from enemies, fundamentally breaking difficulty levels above Normal.

I continue to run all three games are a partly-patched level in order to maintain the gameplay mechanics I prefer.

[obsessedwjpn]

I personally find Steam more annoying than Origin. I often buy the physical CD copy of a game only to find that once I begin installing it on my computer it requires Steam to run. Then, if I am in another country for vacation, or studying abroad as I was before, and install the game at that time Steam will NOT let me play the game because I unlocked it while in another region on a different country's IP. It makes me wait for that country's release of the game even though I have a PHYSICAL copy with me. I have never had issues with Origin so I don't understand all the fuss.

[Brenden7]

Huge_Beaver wrote...

Don't hate on me but i've yet to have a single problem with origin, no techical problems anyhow. Prices might be a bit steep but it works like a charm for me. Have way more problems with steam, that thing ****s up on a daily basis, prices are great on steam but from a techical stand point, it sucks.

Yeah I have to agree with Beaver here, I don't mind using Origins but I despise having to use Steam.

[Althix]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I personally find Steam more annoying than Origin. I often buy the physical CD copy of a game only to find that once I begin installing it on my computer it requires Steam to run. Then, if I am in another country for vacation, or studying abroad as I was before, and install the game at that time Steam will NOT let me play the game because I unlocked it while in another region on a different country's IP. It makes me wait for that country's release of the game even though I have a PHYSICAL copy with me. I have never had issues with Origin so I don't understand all the fuss.

it is not a steam issue but publisher is. it is like EA regional policy which forcing you to play in specific language and in specific region. also do you know what proxy is right?

Modifié par secretsandlies, 05 février 2013 - 06:10 .

[AlanC9]

Spitfire017 wrote...

Cause I don't want to be forced to do download something I don't need or want?

Oddly enough, that's exactly how I felt about Steam. Except that back then I was on dialup and it was really , really annoying to get a Steam game running.

Unlike some of the others here I haven't had problems with Steam recently, though.

@ Sylvius: thanks. I prefer those games patched, but I remember now what the issues were.

Modifié par AlanC9, 05 février 2013 - 06:16 .

[imbs]

EA have too much invested in their awful steam-wannabe at this point to not require every game they own be required to play it. They can't write it off at this point sadly.

[Allan Schumacher]

Addai67 wrote...

No it's not.  Steam is my digital platform of choice (apart from GOG.com) and it works.  It offers me a service- cheap games, mostly, since I don't use the cloud feature or forums.  Origin offers me nothing.  The exclusivity boondoggle also means I can't buy the games on my platform of choice.

I still remember when Steam was routinely referred to as "A Steaming pile of ****."  Some of the CS players I played with just gave up on the game with all the issues Steam was giving them.


You mention the exclusivity boondoggle of Origin, which restricts you from buying the game on your platform of choice.  Are there other places besides Steam that I can buy any of the Half-Life/Portal/Left 4 Dead games? (nevermind that many games now come out with Steamworks built in)

At face value, Origin doesn't really offer me much either, since Steam already offered it.  Until I realized that it's just like a competing department store opening up in a different section of the local shopping from the other one.  They sell many of the same things, and effectively just exist to compete with one another now.  The in house stuff they make is their own brand, and can only be bought within that department store.


I love Steam, and have been an avid user of it for a long time.  But I remember being unable to play Half-Life 2 on launch because of heavy traffic on the Steam servers refusing to authenticate my game.

As it stands, I have a heavy tendency towards Steam for no other reason than I like having my gaming library consolidated.  Still, I occasionally pick up the odd game on GamersGate or even Origin.


For reference sake though, take the following quote for Valve games 10 years ago:

EA have too much invested in their awful steam-wannabe at this point to
not require every game they own be required to play it. They can't write
it off at this point sadly.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 05 février 2013 - 06:51 .

[Bizantura]

Dragoncloud wrote...

As if steam isnt 'spyware' either.

I really don't get all the hate with Origin, I've had quite a few games that 'forced' the installation of steam on clean machines.

Haven't checked out origin lately, but the only reason i dislike it is that it fails to recognize i'm not french despite all language settings it can possibly read.

Being flemish that irkes me too.

[Fiddzz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

No it's not.  Steam is my digital platform of choice (apart from GOG.com) and it works.  It offers me a service- cheap games, mostly, since I don't use the cloud feature or forums.  Origin offers me nothing.  The exclusivity boondoggle also means I can't buy the games on my platform of choice.

I still remember when Steam was routinely referred to as "A Steaming pile of ****."  Some of the CS players I played with just gave up on the game with all the issues Steam was giving them.


You mention the exclusivity boondoggle of Origin, which restricts you from buying the game on your platform of choice.  Are there other places besides Steam that I can buy any of the Half-Life/Portal/Left 4 Dead games? (nevermind that many games now come out with Steamworks built in)

At face value, Origin doesn't really offer me much other, since Steam already offered it.  Until I realized that it's just like a competing department store opening up in a different section of the local shopping from the other one.  They sell many of the same things, and effectively just exist to compete with one another now.  The in house stuff they make is their own brand, and can only be bought within that department store.


I love Steam, and have been an avid user of it for a long time.  But I remember being unable to play Half-Life 2 on launch because of heavy traffic on the Steam servers refusing to authenticate my game.

As it stands, I have a heavy tendency towards Steam for no other reason than I like having my gaming library consolidated.  Still, I occasionally pick up the odd game on GamersGate or even Origin.

This x100.  I think i've popped up in a thread like this before.  I'm in the exact same boat as Allan.  Steam was garbage when it was launched.  Now I use it all the time and enjoy it greatly, (and am SUPER excited for the steambox for home [if it actually has everything they say it does])

Origins' challange (and uPlay etc etc) is to build something as good as steam in less time because they are not the first.  It took Steam YEARS to get where it is.  We will see what happens, competition breeds innovation. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

DA3 won't be on Steam. EA is done with Steam for good as far as their AAA titles are concerned. If you seriously think there's even a remote chance that the game will make it to Steam at this point, you should be probably take a second, closer look at the picture.

By the same token, BioWare has nothing to do with whether Origin will be required; that is entirely an EA decision. Personally, I'm betting on a 99.9% chance that Origin will be required for installing and playing the game.

[Naitaka]

 It's just another case of legitimate customer taking all the crap from the publisher while pirates flourish. If DA3 were to require Origin, you can be sure I'd wait till I can play my legitimate copy without putting up with Origin whatever the mean necessary.

Modifié par Naitaka, 05 février 2013 - 08:05 .

[Bryy_Miller]

I think the using the term 'sinister' when talking about playing video games on our hundred dollar computers/consoles is rather banal.

[Addai]

I've never had game codes just quit working or not authenticate except on Origin and Uplay.

Don't care that Steam was unpopular when it was launched- they're popular now for a reason. I use GOG.com when possible because of their DRM-free policy, otherwise Steam. If Bioware wants to exclude their games from the largest digital pipeline out there, that's your business decision. It's a definite negative in my column in terms of whether I buy your games or not.

[Allan Schumacher]

The point being that I have heard all of your complaints for the past decade for Steam. If it's a deal breaker for you, then fine.  Steam was (and in some cases still is) a deal breaker for others.  I encourage you to stand by your convictions, especially for a luxury good like video games.

Worst case scenario, you skip out on the BioWare/EA games while Origin (and others) provide competition in the digital marketplace which will only help the consumer for the non-EA games it hosts. There's no shortage of PC games out there so it's not like you'll have nothing to play.

Best case scenario, Origin continues to improve (like Steam did) and even find a way to contribute something extra to digital purchasing of PC games that competitors like Steam and GamersGate have to adopt.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 05 février 2013 - 08:10 .

[Naitaka]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I think the using the term 'sinister' when talking about playing video games on our hundred dollar computers/consoles is rather banal.

If you think it's perfectly fine to give EA the permission to scan your entire hard drive, and report back absolutely anything you may have installed, and indeed when you may use it, and then pass that information on the third parties then it is your right but don't expect everyone else to just bend over for it.

[imbs]

Whilst it's true that competition can only be good for us consumers, it's also true that origin is a long ways off providing any real competition to Steam. That whole spyware thing didn't help either. For what it is worth tho I do believe Origin is already better than the abomination that is Windows Live. I didn't buy Dark Souls purely because of that rubbish, but i can cope with Origin.