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[WertyJ]

I'm not overmuch a fan of Origin, but Steam needs a competitor, and Origin isn't great but I don't think it's necessarily evil like people seem to think, it's just not very good, so I'll bare with it if I must.

[XX-Pyro]

If EA ended world hunger people would jump on them for only wanting to create a good self-image. It's really not that bad.

[Dragoonlordz]

The only problem with Origin is lack of titles in the store and sales are few and far between. Having said that, their latest sales were very good. It could do with some more features but as someone who does not use either Steam or Origin for their features, only to buy and play the games it makes very little if any difference to me if add more features.

I view Origin no different than I view Steam, both are a third party launcher to access the games I bought, both stores are another digital distribution method and whether I run through Origin or Steam does not matter to me at all. I also use GMG's launcher, few others too, it does me no harm having any, they are only used when want to play a game and they are all in competition which reduces prices overall for gaming and that is good for me the customer.

For example I recently saw a sale on over at GMG which cost me £10 for couple games that would of cost £30+ on Steam. I considered it a no brainer to buy from GMG. When I play those games I just double click the game, the third party app runs and then loads the game no different whether thats a Steam app, GMG or Origin. I buy from any digital distributor who has the best prices of the game I want and I do not play favorites with any. The same applied to Origins recent sales which underpriced Steam at that time as a competitor for that period on those games.

As for bloatware issue, Steam is a vastly larger and slower form of bloatware than Origin. Origin takes me couple seconds to load and start playing game, Steam takes more resources and much longer to load than Origin on mine however neither put me off because with modern PC neither is so long that I spend too much time twiddling my thumbs waiting.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 février 2013 - 02:18 .

[Shya]

Does it rly matter if it's on steam or origin if u want ta play it

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

JasonPogo wrote...

 I'm just saying I don't want to have Origins on my computer.  Just make the game stand alone like the first two.  If Origins is required to play this game I will most likely pass it up.

EA is the game's publisher. Origin is their baby. I don't think BioWare has a lot of choice where the implementation of Origin is concerned, Jason.

[imbs]

XX-Pyro wrote...

If EA ended world hunger people would jump on them for only wanting to create a good self-image. It's really not that bad.

Yeah totally man. It's not like EA have earned their reputation am i right? Wait no they have.

[JasonPogo]

Ok so this turned into a debate over Steam vs Origin as it was bound to do... However that is not my overall point. Both Steam and Origin are shining examples of what I feel is a very scary trend nowadays. I know this makes me sound like a grandpa shakeing his cane but we don't own anything we purchase anymore. I can buy a game. I own this game. However I am now dependent on this client to be able to play MY game. This is a scary trend in my opinion. If I own something I should be able to put it on my computer and play it whenever I want nomatter what is happening with something like steam or Origin.

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The only problem with Origin is lack of titles in the store and sales are few and far between. Having said that, their latest sales were very good. It could do with some more features but as someone who does not use either Steam or Origin for their features, only to buy and play the games it makes very little if any difference to me if add more features.

I view Origin no different than I view Steam, both are a third party launcher to access the games I bought, both stores are another digital distribution method and whether I run through Origin or Steam does not matter to me at all. I also use GMG's launcher, few others too, it does me no harm having any, they are only used when want to play a game and they are all in competition which reduces prices overall for gaming and that is good for me the customer.

I second that. Though I'd really like to have normal offline feature for origin, like Steam has. And I wouldn't mind normal behavior, without that cat-a-like requests to let him out for a walk in the internet. If I set you home offline, maybe I did that for reason, so stay! Crap tray right over there, food&water over there, toys over there, sleep... anywhere you find space.

However, personally I prefer GoG launcher. It's obviously best model out there - swift, use little resources, never got on my nerves (and I'm short fuse, ask Dragoon, he knows ), no needless features... SimPLy the best!

Dragoonlordz wrote...

As for bloatware issue, Steam is a vastly larger and slower form of bloatware than Origin. Origin takes me couple seconds to load and start playing game, Steam takes more resources and much longer to load than Origin on mine however neither put me off because with modern PC neither is so long that I spend too much time twiddling my thumbs waiting.

Well, according to WDM, Steam uses less resources than origin.
But generally I agree - prior Steam added that big boob picture and other crapload of features I don't use and don't need, it loaded even faster. Although even now, despite my rather big library for Steam (bigger than origin, anyway), my Steam manages to load approximately at the same time as nearly empty origin. And that's surprise.

But seriously, my biggest "issue" with origin is it's tech "support". Or lack thereof - slow, not very helpful, and either trolling or just incompetent. But at least there is support, since apparently our good host has none at all. Not sure if DA3 will follow Gothic 3 release, but if it will...

[abnocte]

I will never forget the day I purchased ME3.
I arrived a home, switched on my computer and proceeded to install the game... too bad the installation wouldn't start because my internet connection was down.

Of course I had to contact my internet provider, to see what was wrong.
I had to contact my internet provider so I could start installing a game...
I had to contact a third party that has nothing to do with EA or Origin just so I could install on my computer a product I had legally adquired.

Really?

Just plain bizarre.

[Zered]

abnocte wrote...

I will never forget the day I purchased ME3.
I arrived a home, switched on my computer and proceeded to install the game... too bad the installation wouldn't start because my internet connection was down.

Of course I had to contact my internet provider, to see what was wrong.
I had to contact my internet provider so I could start installing a game...
I had to contact a third party that has nothing to do with EA or Origin just so I could install on my computer a product I had legally adquired.

Really?

Just plain bizarre.

Pretty much this. Also what does Origin actually give? Aside from the possibility to launch the game? Does it help anything at all?

[Sanunes]

Rudy Lis wrote...

I second that. Though I'd really like to have normal offline feature for origin, like Steam has. And I wouldn't mind normal behavior, without that cat-a-like requests to let him out for a walk in the internet. If I set you home offline, maybe I did that for reason, so stay! Crap tray right over there, food&water over there, toys over there, sleep... anywhere you find space.

However, personally I prefer GoG launcher. It's obviously best model out there - swift, use little resources, never got on my nerves (and I'm short fuse, ask Dragoon, he knows ), no needless features... SimPLy the best!

From my experience with both offline functions are equally broken for both I have to be connected to the internet to go into offline mode.

Rudy Lis wrote...

Well, according to WDM, Steam uses less resources than origin. 
But generally I agree - prior Steam added that big boob picture and other crapload of features I don't use and don't need, it loaded even faster. Although even now, despite my rather big library for Steam (bigger than origin, anyway), my Steam manages to load approximately at the same time as nearly empty origin. And that's surprise.

But seriously, my biggest "issue" with origin is it's tech "support". Or lack thereof - slow, not very helpful, and either trolling or just incompetent. But at least there is support, since apparently our good host has none at all. Not sure if DA3 will follow Gothic 3 release, but if it will...

Just because you have less games in Origin shouldn't mean that you will have shorter load time because there could be other bottlenecks. When I look at bloatware I look at the amount of resources that are tied up when the problem. What really annoys me with Steam (this goes back to your first point) It takes 15min tying up my computer if my internet connection is down for Steam to finally give up and allow me to use my computer.

I guess with Tech support its all about who you get, for I have had horrendous experience with Steam and its the reason why I moved all my EA titles to Origin. I use the chat support with Origin and except for one time my problem has been solved in 15min to 20min. With Steam I had an issue with a pre-order and it took a month before I had access to a game I paid for.

Modifié par Sanunes, 06 février 2013 - 01:42 .

[Sanunes]

JasonPogo wrote...

Ok so this turned into a debate over Steam vs Origin as it was bound to do... However that is not my overall point. Both Steam and Origin are shining examples of what I feel is a very scary trend nowadays. I know this makes me sound like a grandpa shakeing his cane but we don't own anything we purchase anymore. I can buy a game. I own this game. However I am now dependent on this client to be able to play MY game. This is a scary trend in my opinion. If I own something I should be able to put it on my computer and play it whenever I want nomatter what is happening with something like steam or Origin.

Honestly this trend has been happening for a long time.  Dragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect 1 both have had online authentication that if you don't activate the problem the game would never work.  Don't forget the rootkit issues that other companies tried to use for DRM as well, that bothers me more then Origin or Steam because you can't see the program and leaves your computer wide open, but that bombed with all the negative feedback.

[JoHnDoE14]

abnocte wrote...

I will never forget the day I purchased ME3.
I arrived a home, switched on my computer and proceeded to install the game... too bad the installation wouldn't start because my internet connection was down.

Of course I had to contact my internet provider, to see what was wrong.
I had to contact my internet provider so I could start installing a game...
I had to contact a third party that has nothing to do with EA or Origin just so I could install on my computer a product I had legally adquired.

Really?

Just plain bizarre.

Worst thing : YOU ARE FORCED TO IT. There is really NO reason to force someone who bought the game to this proccess. I mean, pirates will crack it no matter what!
Why should we pay for that? Why things can't just be simple: you buy the game and you install it and it's ready to play.
Is it too much to pay for the manual and the box? Do you want to avoid having to share the earnings with the retailers? Or maybe do you hate it that much when somebody does not buy your game new and want to crush the used games market? And what better way to accomplish all this than spy on our PC to see what other games we play and what hardware we use so you can make the next game more tailored to our supposed tastes? And then simply tell us that it's because of the "bad pirates"...and then throw a line about the industry moving forward, about our bright technological future etc...
I am sick of Origin=Steam=Uplay! Please, let us simply buy the good ol' retail edition. We (I at least) would be buying the collector's editon too....

Modifié par JoHnDoE14, 06 février 2013 - 01:50 .

[Sanunes]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

abnocte wrote...

I will never forget the day I purchased ME3.
I arrived a home, switched on my computer and proceeded to install the game... too bad the installation wouldn't start because my internet connection was down.

Of course I had to contact my internet provider, to see what was wrong.
I had to contact my internet provider so I could start installing a game...
I had to contact a third party that has nothing to do with EA or Origin just so I could install on my computer a product I had legally adquired.

Really?

Just plain bizarre.

Worst thing : YOU ARE FORCED TO IT. There is really NO reason to force someone who bought the game to this proccess. I mean, pirates will crack it no matter what!
Why should we pay for that? Why things can't just be simple: you buy the game and you install it and it's ready to play.
Is it too much to pay for the manual and the box? Do you want to avoid having to share the earnings with the retailers? Or maybe do you hate it that much when somebody does not buy your game new and want to crush the used games market? And what better way to accomplish all this than spy on our PC to see what other games we play and what hardware we use so you can make the next game more tailored to our supposed tastes? And then simply tell us that it's because of the "bad pirates"...and then throw a line about the industry moving forward, about our bright technological future etc...
I am sick of Origin=Steam=Uplay! Please, let us simply buy the good ol' retail edition. We (I at least) would be buying the collector's editon too....

The problem is that online registration has been around longer then even Steam for you would have to go to the developer or publisher's webpage and enter the CD key and each time you started the game it would have to connect to their servers to make sure your game was valid.  I know I looked for many ways to disabled these methods for I really disliked connecting to the internet before playing a game.

I just wish there was a setting that set any of these programs to offline mode and it stayed there until you connected to the internet.

[JCAP]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

No it's not.  Steam is my digital platform of choice (apart from GOG.com) and it works.  It offers me a service- cheap games, mostly, since I don't use the cloud feature or forums.  Origin offers me nothing.  The exclusivity boondoggle also means I can't buy the games on my platform of choice.

I still remember when Steam was routinely referred to as "A Steaming pile of ****."  Some of the CS players I played with just gave up on the game with all the issues Steam was giving them.


You mention the exclusivity boondoggle of Origin, which restricts you from buying the game on your platform of choice.  Are there other places besides Steam that I can buy any of the Half-Life/Portal/Left 4 Dead games? (nevermind that many games now come out with Steamworks built in)

At face value, Origin doesn't really offer me much either, since Steam already offered it.  Until I realized that it's just like a competing department store opening up in a different section of the local shopping from the other one.  They sell many of the same things, and effectively just exist to compete with one another now.  The in house stuff they make is their own brand, and can only be bought within that department store.


I love Steam, and have been an avid user of it for a long time.  But I remember being unable to play Half-Life 2 on launch because of heavy traffic on the Steam servers refusing to authenticate my game.

As it stands, I have a heavy tendency towards Steam for no other reason than I like having my gaming library consolidated.  Still, I occasionally pick up the odd game on GamersGate or even Origin.


For reference sake though, take the following quote for Valve games 10 years ago:

EA have too much invested in their awful steam-wannabe at this point to
not require every game they own be required to play it. They can't write
it off at this point sadly.

Steam had problems in the beggining, but Valve had good relations with Internet community, so people have given the benefit of the doubt...

But Origin... EA is not very popular...

I hope that EA (and Origin) improve, but I just hope that because EA was my favorite publisher for some time...

MOHAA, Need for Speed Underground 2... Good times...

[Rudy Lis]

Sanunes wrote...

From my experience with both offline functions are equally broken for both I have to be connected to the internet to go into offline mode.

Only difference that Steam stays that way, but not origin. Pfft, even uplay stays offline. Uplay! From Ubisoft. That's hilarious!

Sanunes wrote...

Just because you have less games in Origin shouldn't mean that you will have shorter load time because there could be other bottlenecks.

That was a sarcasm, actually, but here are no sarcastic smilie.

Sanunes wrote...

When I look at bloatware I look at the amount of resources that are tied up when the problem. What really annoys me with Steam (this goes back to your first point) It takes 15min tying up my computer if my internet connection is down for Steam to finally give up and allow me to use my computer.

Launch on boot? Because my Steam is pretty obedient.

Sanunes wrote...

I guess with Tech support its all about who you get, for I have had horrendous experience with Steam and its the reason why I moved all my EA titles to Origin. I use the chat support with Origin and except for one time my problem has been solved in 15min to 20min. With Steam I had an issue with a pre-order and it took a month before I had access to a game I paid for.

If my problems were solved in 15-20 minutes, I wouldn't even bother. 15-20 (usually 15+20, actually) minutes for me it is time to wait for "consultant" or whatever that label is. I've waited literally for hours in that origin chat (Okay, I have insomnia, what should ordinary people do?) till that guy appear. And it happened that he didn't appear at all. Of about 60 guys I've talked, only 2 were adequate.
Tickets I filed on EA "slowpport" site has been there for months, literally: my ticket on BF3 I filed in June 2012, received some attention only in late november 2012 and to this very moment haven't been solved.

In comparison with this hell and hicks farm I've encountered with EA, Steam's delay are non-present. Yes, maybe they have increased delay to reply you first time now, after they introduced all their crapload of features, but they usually reply within day and I live on the opposite side of Globe. And - they help!

Of course all that bleaks in comparison with GoG. I just haven't need to use their support once.

Just for referense,
Steam has ~50 mln accounts, and Valve total staff is just 300, no? Since Orange Box release I have only 5 cases with them, three of which actually were my suggestions (one of them already incorporated:D), and two related with Bethesda's games (who, until ME3 release, were on top of my sheetlist).

origin, claimed ~20 mln accounts, at least 60 different people with very interesting names, suggesting they are from India. Since ME3 preorder back in 2011, formally I had three problems, two of which are unsolved till now. That's about... 8 months, no? First problem took whole bloody summer to solve. Turbosnails to the rescue!

GoG, reported ~20 mln accounts, support staff - 3. Yes, that's three. No issues whatsoever. And I use them since they opened.

Action speaks louder than words.
So yeah, ask, anwer, be the hero. I'll pass. Not to mentioning any lack of responsibility from them.

[Dragoonlordz]

JoHnDoE14 wrote...

abnocte wrote...

I will never forget the day I purchased ME3.
I arrived a home, switched on my computer and proceeded to install the game... too bad the installation wouldn't start because my internet connection was down.

Of course I had to contact my internet provider, to see what was wrong.
I had to contact my internet provider so I could start installing a game...
I had to contact a third party that has nothing to do with EA or Origin just so I could install on my computer a product I had legally adquired.

Really?

Just plain bizarre.

Worst thing : YOU ARE FORCED TO IT. There is really NO reason to force someone who bought the game to this proccess. I mean, pirates will crack it no matter what!
Why should we pay for that? Why things can't just be simple: you buy the game and you install it and it's ready to play.
Is it too much to pay for the manual and the box? Do you want to avoid having to share the earnings with the retailers? Or maybe do you hate it that much when somebody does not buy your game new and want to crush the used games market? And what better way to accomplish all this than spy on our PC to see what other games we play and what hardware we use so you can make the next game more tailored to our supposed tastes? And then simply tell us that it's because of the "bad pirates"...and then throw a line about the industry moving forward, about our bright technological future etc...
I am sick of Origin=Steam=Uplay! Please, let us simply buy the good ol' retail edition. We (I at least) would be buying the collector's editon too....

If you wanted simplicity why did you not buy your games for consoles. PC has always been more than just buy and install. You have had to change settings, configure and always had to install too as opposed to console which is generally just pop in a disc/cartridge and play. While any online client adds an additional layer to the playing process even though generally it's a few seconds longer to load which back in the old days as it were atari, commodore and amstrad took 30 minutes to load your games, if your problem is how many hoops you need to jump through then wouldn't your first choice be console version as it has always had less hoops. If you decided on PC then it has always had more layers of complication and has always been the case since the old cartridge gaming days was even the case then PC games of that time had additional layers/hoops also.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 février 2013 - 05:16 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Jayne126 wrote...

michalooo wrote...

Pretty much this. Also what does Origin actually give? Aside from the possibility to launch the game? Does it help anything at all?

It helps turning your hair grey.

Automatic updates to the game. Cloud saving. The ability to download your game to your hard drive, rather than having to keep the discs around. Ease of obtaining and installing DLC. It's basically EA's vehicle for games as a service rather than as a product.

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you wanted simplicity why did you not buy your games for consoles.

Controller, favorite genre not present on platform, generally outdated graphics, another rig to buy, plus total lack of compatibilty between platforms and games, possible problems with second-hand market.
Also, no Steam sales.

[TMZuk]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I still remember when Steam was routinely referred to as "A Steaming pile of ****."  Some of the CS players I played with just gave up on the game with all the issues Steam was giving them.

It is! And so is Origin. I despise them both equally.

Why? Because they are not optional, and they provide NOTHING to a game. They just insist to sit on my computer, for no other reason that the publisher demands it. The moment it stops being something that's a service offered, and instead becomes something forced down my thoath, it becomes an object of hatred! It's bloatware and nothing else!

I buy through GOG, or physical copies. And when I buy a physical copy of a game, I do NOT want to have bloatware forced upon me!

All EA and other publishers are doing, is that they make it a hassle to be a law-abiding consumer and encourages piracy!

Modifié par TMZuk, 06 février 2013 - 05:37 .

[Elhanan]

I dislike having to be on-line to play a game. My DSL was down for three weeks back in November, and was forced to play older games for entertainment (am quite the Solitaire player now). Pls allow customers that purchase the product to play it w/o additional fees and hassle. This economy stinks, costs are higher for everyone, and those on a fixed income could use the thoughtfulness of the publishers.

[Destroyer Deathsmane]

if DA:I/DA3 requires the Origin software then I will not be purchasing the game.

I apply the same standard to Steam , if the game requires Steam to be able to play it then I don't purchase it .

the installation and/or use of launching software for games or other software should be the end users choice and not forced on them.

[bleetman]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

At face value, Origin doesn't really offer me much either, since Steam already offered it.  Until I realized that it's just like a competing department store opening up in a different section of the local shopping from the other one.  They sell many of the same things, and effectively just exist to compete with one another now.  The in house stuff they make is their own brand, and can only be bought within that department store.

Y'know, this type of argument sort of annoys me.

Not because it's inherently wrong, or that I don't believe Steam should have some competition. I do, I really, really do, specifically because I want Steam, Origin and the like to try and better themselves by virtue of necessity. Because that's how it's supposed to work, yes? Each one competiting with each other to provide a better service? That's why it's a good thing?

Except that in reality, that's just not what has happened. Steam and Origin aren't competing with each other by constantly trying to out-do each other at providing a better service. They're both essentially providing the same service, then retreating behind their barricades of exclusivity and forcing people to use them if they want to play their games. This isn't healthy competition. This doesn't benefit me, the consumer. This just saddles me with more unecessary hassles to go through whenever I want to play a game. A game that I'm repeatedly told by extension of this software existing that I don't own, and am mearly renting access to.

I can't help but currently resent Origin for that. Doing the exact same crap Steam did in the exact same way isn't a defense, and it isn't going to make me want to use it.

Modifié par bleetman, 06 février 2013 - 06:04 .

[MassStorm]

I think the fastest the people DEAL with the fact DA3 will have Origin mandatory the better it will go.