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[Cimeas]

I hate steam. Valve is a pathetic company, and having played many of their games I personally can't see what the fuss is about.

OF COURSE EA doesn't want to pay ****30 PERCENT**** of their profits to valve.

[Sylvius the Mad]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Cloud saving. The ability to download your game to your hard drive, rather than having to keep the discs around. Ease of obtaining and installing DLC.

And those are actually all good features.

Automatic updates to the game.

But that is a horrible feature I cannot abide.

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you wanted simplicity why did you not buy your games for consoles.

Controller, favorite genre not present on platform, generally outdated graphics, another rig to buy, plus total lack of compatibilty between platforms and games, possible problems with second-hand market.
Also, no Steam sales.

Just out of interest have you read that new Xbox also is going same way as Steam, (all) games for it will come with one time activation codes linked to accounts that have to authenticate online. Which I find funny that in near future even those who buy console games to avoid PC issues like using Steams method of authentication online to play games on that service, now the consoles are using that very same method for next gen (though do not know what PS4 will use, the new Xbox will). I imagine any used games will require a new code bought from pubisher to play it like EA does currently.

Welcome to the future, it's been heading this way for decades.

Pretty sure the generation after next Xbox/PS4 will be cloud online gaming, meaning streamed games on demand only. PC is heading that way too if Microsoft get their way with implementaion of closed gated framework like Windows 8 showing thats where they want to head. I don't mind personally using things like Steam, Origin, GoG or GMG apps t load games but I will probably draw my own personal line in sand when gets to stage of cloud on demand streamed only gaming in the future. Ofcourse I will probably be in my 50's by then so might have less interest in gaming in first place.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 février 2013 - 06:52 .

[Peranor]

I'm probably one of the few people that never had any major issues with Steam. I've had it since Half-Life 2 and I love it. And even if Echelon, sorry Origin at some point in the future should become better then Steam I still would be reluctant to install it, because I want my games in one place!
I don't want to register 34 different accounts for different digital distribution platforms.

Modifié par anorling, 06 février 2013 - 06:30 .

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Just out of interest have you read that new Xbox also is going same way as Steam, (all) games for it will come with one time activation codes linked to accounts that have to authenticate online.

Yeah, I read that.
But have you read that?

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Which I find funny that in near future even those who buy console games to avoid PC issues like using Steams method of authentication online to play games on that service, now the consoles are using that very same method for next gen (though do not know what PS4 will use, the new Xbox will).

Out of the frying-pan, into the fire, no?
On the other hand, maybe when consoles will die, we will finally got normal GUI, graphics and controls.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Welcome to the future, it's been heading this way for decades.

I need to sound doomsday prophet-alike here... Like... "damn these corporations, they want to control our every sneeze! Adam, why you saved that [censored], she may be your ex, but she did horrible things!" 
But I don't give a ****, as long as price is adequate to quality of presented service, I'm fine.

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Pretty sure the generation after next Xbox/Ps4 will be cloud online gaming, meaning streamed games on demand only.

Skynet comes home.
Not sure even next gen would allow global streaming - too much infrastructure needs to be updated.
Also not sure there will be next gen at all - they cannot dumping their prices to make console look more attractive, not with hardware costs. So... what's the point buying console?

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Ofcourse I will probably be in my 50's by then so might have less interest in gaming in first place.

According to my current acquaintances, who are in their 50's and even 60's, you could have enough interest in. Unless, of course, social security will go south sideways and we'll have to work our necks till we die.

AresKeith wrote...

But how will EA get all your money?

Make good games for adequate price, provide better service (not mandatory, just better than competitors) and be fair?
"Utopia" and "never happen", I know, but can man dream?
Who said "you delusional?!"

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 06 février 2013 - 06:36 .

[AresKeith]

But how will EA get all your money?

[Mykel54]

AresKeith wrote...

But how will EA get all your money?

One bullet at the time => Micro transactions

[Rudy Lis]

Mykel54 wrote...

One bullet at the time => Micro transactions

What we transfering, bullets or money? If bullets, than we need ICBM to reach their office from Europe.
P.S. Nice avatar!

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 06 février 2013 - 07:16 .

[Peranor]

Rudy Lis wrote...

Mykel54 wrote...

One bullet at the time => Micro transactions

What we transfering, bullets or money? If bullets, than we need ICBM to reach their office from Europe.
P.S. Nice avatar!

I think he was referring to the comment made by John Riccitiello regarding micro transactions and players being prepared to pay real money for bullets in the games. I think..

Modifié par anorling, 06 février 2013 - 08:11 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

I refuse to buy any EA games going forwards. I won't install Origin spyware on my PC. I'm done supporting the dumbasses that keep dismantling my favorite developers like this one.

[Kaosbuddy]

craigdolphin wrote...

Devs, if your argument is that origin is a good thing for consumers, because it is a form of competition for steam, then I think you're off-base.

If both steam and origin were true competitors then EA and Valve would be publishing on each others services and ACTUALLY competing. While you have publisher integration with the store front, and game exclusivity is used as a hammer to force people to use the store, that's not competition it's just market fragmentation and it certainly provides no benefits to consumers. There's no competing on price. There's no competing on terms and conditions. There's no competing on customer service. There's no competition at all because there's no customer choice to be made.

Following this train of thought, I should be able to buy a Big Mac from Burger King?

[Conduit0]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I refuse to buy any EA games going forwards. I won't install Origin spyware on my PC. I'm done supporting the dumbasses that keep dismantling my favorite developers like this one.

This is called a self fullfilling prophecy.

EA buys studio X.
Fans lament the purchase and call it the doom of studio X.
Fans quit buying X's games because they hate EA.
Studio X ceases to be profitable.
EA closes studio X.
Fans cry out saying, "Look! We were right, EA destroyed our favorite studio!"

<_<

[bleetman]

Conduit0 wrote...

This is called a self fullfilling prophecy.

EA buys studio X.
Fans lament the purchase and call it the doom of studio X.
Fans quit buying X's games because they hate EA.
Studio X ceases to be profitable.
EA closes studio X.
Fans cry out saying, "Look! We were right, EA destroyed our favorite studio!"

<_<

If Hypothetical EA wishes to close Studio X on the basis that it has ceased to be profitable instead of, I don't know, investigating the cause of said sudden non-profitability, that's frankly not my problem as a consumer.

Not that I personally think step two, three and four are as directly connected as you are suggesting.

[Rudy Lis]

anorling wrote...

I think he was referring to the comment made by John Riccitiello regarding micro transactions and players being prepared to pay real money for bullets in the games. I think..

Imagine Battlefield 4 - you paid $120 (inflation! Art!) for game itself, then you pay another $120 for milking season pass (deluxe! prestigeous!) and then... you buy guns for you games. Not optional - any. Without guns it's just massive fistfight. Want to have M4? Pay $2.99 "only on origin". M40? That's $4.99, origin exclusive. Ain't that a wonderful world?

[Nimyue]

 The only thing I don't like about Origin is that their sales stink!  Steam sales are awesome.  EA is rather greedy with even old game prices.  Also, I hate having to have both.  I'd rather just use Steam because it's there for more games than Origin.

[Melca36]

Nimyue wrote...

 The only thing I don't like about Origin is that their sales stink!  Steam sales are awesome.  EA is rather greedy with even old game prices.  Also, I hate having to have both.  I'd rather just use Steam because it's there for more games than Origin.

That is so true!!  Steam's sales are the BEST!


I only use Origin for the ME Trilogy and when I am not playing it, I have it turned off.

I will definitely be getting DA:3 but I'll likely get it through amazon since I don't trust EA' security.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Conduit0 wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I refuse to buy any EA games going forwards. I won't install Origin spyware on my PC. I'm done supporting the dumbasses that keep dismantling my favorite developers like this one.

This is called a self fullfilling prophecy.

EA buys studio X.
Fans lament the purchase and call it the doom of studio X.
EA interferes with the development of studio X's games to make them have "wider appeal".
Fans quit buying X's games because they hate EA.
Studio X ceases to be profitable.
EA closes studio X.
Fans cry out saying, "Look! We were right, EA destroyed our favorite studio!"

<_<

FTFY

[Conduit0]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I refuse to buy any EA games going forwards. I won't install Origin spyware on my PC. I'm done supporting the dumbasses that keep dismantling my favorite developers like this one.

This is called a self fullfilling prophecy.

EA buys studio X.
Fans lament the purchase and call it the doom of studio X.
EA interferes with the development of studio X's games to make them have "wider appeal".
Fans quit buying X's games because they hate EA.
Studio X ceases to be profitable.
EA closes studio X.
Fans cry out saying, "Look! We were right, EA destroyed our favorite studio!"

<_<

FTFY

Despite popular belief, the people running EA are not idiots, they are not going to mess with a proven successful formula, as long as it remains successful. Wait, wait, I can already hear you screaming, "But, but, DA2! EA MADE Bioware change Dragon Age." First, prove it, unless you can submit actual evidence that the change in game design was the result of EA's interference, you're simply making baseless accusations. Second, a single game does not prove a successful formula, just like in science you need to run an experiment multiple times before you can say that your first result wasn't a fluke.

[imbs]

Conduit0 wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

I refuse to buy any EA games going forwards. I won't install Origin spyware on my PC. I'm done supporting the dumbasses that keep dismantling my favorite developers like this one.

This is called a self fullfilling prophecy.

EA buys studio X.
Fans lament the purchase and call it the doom of studio X.
Fans quit buying X's games because they hate EA.
Studio X ceases to be profitable.
EA closes studio X.
Fans cry out saying, "Look! We were right, EA destroyed our favorite studio!"

<_<

Right, lets ignore any and all evidence and just blame it all on the fans and use phrases we don't properly understand to rationalize it. It's more fun to be blind fanboys and "yes fans" (get it? heh) than actually look at things properly right? Let's pretend Dragon age 2 was a good game that was just unfairly prejudiced against by fans. Let's ignore the sales results that support the idea it was a reaction to a bad game, and just assume it was because of unfair bias against EA. SWTOR was actually amazing, right? They totally didn't drop the ball on the game engine for that game and they totally didn't try and screw over fans even further by removing things like action bars when they turned it f2p............ Let's also ignore the history of EA overtaking fairly successful game companies and them subsequently dying down the line.

Your posts are hilarious just sayin. Logic, reason are overrated I agree.

You know, when we discuss these things we have to use some deduction and maybe even (heaven forbid) some conjecture, because we aren't behind the scenes we do not know how much influence EA has. We are not a court though, we do not need to prove beyond all reasonable doubt and all the rest. Fact is, EA has a habit of buying companies just before their games drop in quality, and those companies also happen to decide to change their DLC habits and start including Day 1 DLC on their disks shortly after too. To imply there is no actual basis for complaining about EA is just silly honestly.

Modifié par imbs, 07 février 2013 - 06:59 .

[TMZuk]

MassStorm wrote...

I think the fastest the people DEAL with the fact DA3 will have Origin mandatory the better it will go.

Yeah, lets be quiet like good sheep, and smile while being foced to eat ****!

[MassStorm]

TMZuk wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

I think the fastest the people DEAL with the fact DA3 will have Origin mandatory the better it will go.

Yeah, lets be quiet like good sheep, and smile while being foced to eat ****!

But it's either you eat **** or you don't play the game at all.....i doubt they will ask me or you on how they are going to implement this knowing EA so why bother?? Why losing your nerve?? Vote with your wallet....don't buy the game

[TheRealJayDee]

igneous.sponge wrote...

I'd much rather Origin not be mandatory, myself. Though I don't feel it's spyware, I still find it an intrusive, obnoxious, and utterly unnecessary program. It's merely an unappealing storefront eating up more of my hard disk space.

I am resigned to the fact that all future BioWare releases will likely have the Origin requirement tacked on, however.

For the record, I'm not a Steam user either. GOG's is the only method of digital distribution I enjoy.

Same here.

Abraham_uk wrote...

Why do people dislike Origin?
Why do people love Steam?

Aren't they the same?

As I said above, I dislike both. I don't possess any PC game that has Steam as a requirement, and the only reason I got Origin on my system was ME3. I was really close to skipping the game because of Origin, but in the end I did give in, because it was the damn end of Shepard's story (yeah, that turned out to be worth it ^^). I understand that they needed to connect Origin with some highly popular and anticipated games, but it still just really pisses me off. It did not and does not provide anything I want, it's really just an annoyance.

Had they made it optional and given me real good reasons to try it - who knows, I just might have. Likely not, though (see Steam). Did they force it onto my system? No, not really. But they made it mandatory for really about the only game ever that could make me get it. I have not spent a single cent in the Origin store, and -besides the fact that they don't have stuff I want for the prices I would probably be willing to pay- most likely will not in the future (exception: last ME3 DLC miracle) out of principle and pure stubbornness because they didn't give me a choice.

I have 100+ games in my GOG library by now, btw...

[JJDrakken]

Well, I've yet to buy Mass Effect 3, do to requirement of Origins to be on & used for that game.  Which is a shame, but I dislike it, I won't use it. 

For that, I have high odds, I'll never play the final installment of ME3.  If they decided to ever sale copy of it, with no Multiplayer, thus no Origins requirements, I'll finally play it.

If Dragon Age 3 does the same(I hope they do not have Multi).  I will also not buy DA3(Meaning ME2 & DA2, will be end of the series for me).

So I too hope no Origins requirements is needed.


JJ

Modifié par JJDrakken, 07 février 2013 - 03:54 .

[Chris Priestly]

No longer DA3 related.


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