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[imbs]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

- by all means include a narrative setting such as that in ME if people enjoy it (as they seem to do).

I won't use that setting personally, but I have no problem with it existing or people who do want to focus on the narrative. I am tired of these slippery slope arguments that the existence of super-easy modes in games are ruining it for the hardcore gamers and that one day all games will scale down to one EASY setting. That's absolute a** gravy.

I'm also reminded of this one poor BioWare writer who was harassed mercilessly because some fanatical fanboy idiots thought that she was going to force BioWare to remove difficulty levels (she had a preference for narrative-focused gameplay) and also, even more ridiculously, that she was turning Commander Shepard into a homosexual. It's moments like that and the worst of the hoopla surrounding ME3's ending that have made me just kind of embarassed to be associated with certain BW fans by virtue of sharing a love of the company and its games. Jeeze I got carried away there. I've been wanting to get that out of my system for a while. Let's move on...

Erm if i remember correctly that happened mostly because she is working in the video game industry and yet came out and said she hated video games basically, and that she wanted a skip-combat button in the same vein as there are skip-cinematics buttons. Whilst the harrassment went too far (cant expect much else with 4chan) it is understandable imo that her words upset people.

[Demi Strike]

A lot of different difficulty settings is good it lets people play at what ever pace they wish.

[esper]

imbs wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

- by all means include a narrative setting such as that in ME if people enjoy it (as they seem to do).

I won't use that setting personally, but I have no problem with it existing or people who do want to focus on the narrative. I am tired of these slippery slope arguments that the existence of super-easy modes in games are ruining it for the hardcore gamers and that one day all games will scale down to one EASY setting. That's absolute a** gravy.

I'm also reminded of this one poor BioWare writer who was harassed mercilessly because some fanatical fanboy idiots thought that she was going to force BioWare to remove difficulty levels (she had a preference for narrative-focused gameplay) and also, even more ridiculously, that she was turning Commander Shepard into a homosexual. It's moments like that and the worst of the hoopla surrounding ME3's ending that have made me just kind of embarassed to be associated with certain BW fans by virtue of sharing a love of the company and its games. Jeeze I got carried away there. I've been wanting to get that out of my system for a while. Let's move on...

Erm if i remember correctly that happened mostly because she is working in the video game industry and yet came out and said she hated video games basically, and that she wanted a skip-combat button in the same vein as there are skip-cinematics buttons. Whilst the harrassment went too far (cant expect much else with 4chan) it is understandable imo that her words upset people.

I don't get this.
I know I would appriciate if I could skip some of the boring filler combat in da:o, which even on easy takes an etenerty to complete, is not challenging any more and is just in the way of why I am replaying the game.

[Catfish Shotgun]

Post was kind of unrelated, so I replaced it with this, lol.
Sorreh.

Modifié par Catfish Shotgun, 06 février 2013 - 08:13 .

[imbs]

esper wrote...

I don't get this.
I know I would appriciate if I could skip some of the boring filler combat in da:o, which even on easy takes an etenerty to complete, is not challenging any more and is just in the way of why I am replaying the game.

Well, regardless of the button thing, She is in the video game industry and hates playing video games... Even if that was an acceptable stance (which I guess it is for a writer, still rubs me the wrong way though) it means 1. she isn't very good at PR, why would you say that seriously? and 2. If she hates video games and yet is writing for video games it likely means she failed at getting a job in a field she prefers which, applying some conjecture here, means she may be a second-rate writer in the first place. Given some of the poor writing in some of Bioware games (don't get me wrong some of it is extremely good as well) it's easy to jump to conclusions and just blame these poor stories/dialogues on someone you already dont like.

This combined with the idea that games are already getting too casual (lots of people on /v/ definitely think this) it's easy to deduce why such an idea would ****** people off. To me an others that idea is synonymous with a button to skip playing video games in video games.. The combat IS video games to some people, and so an idea to be able to skip it is just... It is also the type of idea that would lead (some) developers to focus moreso on the cut-scenes and less-so on the actual gameplay. Anyway i have rambled on enough but right or wrong, that is why people jump on her for those comments

Come to think of it, she also tweeted a very stupid comment that was pretty silly. Antagonizing 4chan when they have your name etc is never a good idea.

[Conduit0]

imbs wrote...

esper wrote...

I don't get this.
I know I would appriciate if I could skip some of the boring filler combat in da:o, which even on easy takes an etenerty to complete, is not challenging any more and is just in the way of why I am replaying the game.

Well, regardless of the button thing, She is in the video game industry and hates playing video games... Even if that was an acceptable stance (which I guess it is for a writer, still rubs me the wrong way though) it means 1. she isn't very good at PR, why would you say that seriously? and 2. If she hates video games and yet is writing for video games it likely means she failed at getting a job in a field she prefers which, applying some conjecture here, means she may be a second-rate writer in the first place. Given some of the poor writing in some of Bioware games (don't get me wrong some of it is extremely good as well) it's easy to jump to conclusions and just blame these poor stories/dialogues on someone you already dont like.

This combined with the idea that games are already getting too casual (lots of people on /v/ definitely think this) it's easy to deduce why such an idea would ****** people off. To me an others that idea is synonymous with a button to skip playing video games in video games.. The combat IS video games to some people, and so an idea to be able to skip it is just... It is also the type of idea that would lead (some) developers to focus moreso on the cut-scenes and less-so on the actual gameplay. Anyway i have rambled on enough but right or wrong, that is why people jump on her for those comments

Come to think of it, she also tweeted a very stupid comment that was pretty silly. Antagonizing 4chan when they have your name etc is never a good idea.

Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

[imbs]

Conduit0 wrote...
Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

I included several disclaimers just to show that I don't condone any of the idiocy that /v/ did to her. I find it amusing how much more of a troll-post your post is tho. But m8, theres no need to stalk me and randomly attack my posts because i hurt your feelings. Which one are you btw were you in the ccc thread or the DA2vsDAO thread or some other? I do not recall.

Anyway I was providing an explanation to why Jennifer Helper was attacked, that's it. Calm down imo

Modifié par imbs, 06 février 2013 - 11:17 .

[The_11thDoctor]

they have heard of youtube? Enjoy the stry that way with no fights. It u really like the game, ud practice so you could get better, like a normal person... no one was norn with a controller in their hand/keyboard and mouse. Their is also twitchtv....

[Thasinta]

I could get behind a "narrative difficulty"-type thing. It'd just have to be a different game, where you could fast-forward through combat (where the game looks at your stats and equipment, does a little calculation and goes "Okay, you've lost x many hit points, y much mana, and the rogue was knocked out and needs her injuries seen to"), but have to pay more attention during dialogue. Well, for the first time, anyway. Unless there were some random things thrown in, such as info regarding where you have to go, who you need to talk to (in playthrough 1, you need to go to the chapel and speak with the one-eyed beggar; in playthrough 2 you need to go to the market and speak with the peg-legged farmer-turned-merchant; in p3 it's the attic of an inn and a jerky-chewing gambler. And so on).

But I suppose that would first be too pricey, with voice actors repeating the same line over and over again, only changing minor details (extra time in studio means extra expenditures, right?), and all that information would be put in the journal anyway, meaning people would just skip it anyway and read it later (so the extra money spent on studio time for the actors would just have been a waste, anyway).

Well, this is the kind of "narrative difficulty" I would like, if developers would make a game for me, personally.

Easy combat, difficult narrative, set in Thedas. Dwarf optional.

[Fiddzz]

imbs wrote...

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

Commander Kurt wrote...

- by all means include a narrative setting such as that in ME if people enjoy it (as they seem to do).

I won't use that setting personally, but I have no problem with it existing or people who do want to focus on the narrative. I am tired of these slippery slope arguments that the existence of super-easy modes in games are ruining it for the hardcore gamers and that one day all games will scale down to one EASY setting. That's absolute a** gravy.

I'm also reminded of this one poor BioWare writer who was harassed mercilessly because some fanatical fanboy idiots thought that she was going to force BioWare to remove difficulty levels (she had a preference for narrative-focused gameplay) and also, even more ridiculously, that she was turning Commander Shepard into a homosexual. It's moments like that and the worst of the hoopla surrounding ME3's ending that have made me just kind of embarassed to be associated with certain BW fans by virtue of sharing a love of the company and its games. Jeeze I got carried away there. I've been wanting to get that out of my system for a while. Let's move on...

Erm if i remember correctly that happened mostly because she is working in the video game industry and yet came out and said she hated video games basically, and that she wanted a skip-combat button in the same vein as there are skip-cinematics buttons. Whilst the harrassment went too far (cant expect much else with 4chan) it is understandable imo that her words upset people.

Any harrassment is too far.

[philippe willaume]

on the topic
it is all well and good, but really beyond a certain point, it is not what it says on the tin anymore.
I mean i teach medieval fencing and you tell me that you are interested in rapier, sure i ill help you and correlate what we do through Meyer (historical link between rapier and long sword)
now if you want more rapier in the lesson the answer is that it is not what i fundamentally do.

Now a skip combat or auto dialogue is fine as an option, but it should remain that an option.
basically a technophobe poshed up version the console mode on PC
phil

[Dubozz]

Combat is a big part of the game for me. I wish it will be complex and interesting. I enjoyed Insanity in DA2. Please give me MOAR hard fights like this! I don't mind other difficulties. Easy - everyone can do it. Normal -normal. hardcore - for experienced players, Insanity - DA2 1.0 version, friendly fire, squishy mages, oneshot spells and backstabs, tactics etc.

Modifié par Dubozz, 07 février 2013 - 12:39 .

[Weltea]

Oh that high dragon. No idea how people manage to beat it (other than maybe waiting until later levels). After my second death on casualty I now just stand back and shoot arrows at it until it dies

As for narrative difficulty; the difficulty is already really extremely turned down in DA2 - DA:Os Casualty is pretty much DA2 Hard, I think (just guessing here) they'll probably keep that and just maybe add a few more difficulties in.

[imbs]

Weltea wrote...

Oh that high dragon. No idea how people manage to beat it (other than maybe waiting until later levels). After my second death on casualty I now just stand back and shoot arrows at it until it dies

As for narrative difficulty; the difficulty is already really extremely turned down in DA2 - DA:Os Casualty is pretty much DA2 Hard, I think (just guessing here) they'll probably keep that and just maybe add a few more difficulties in.

There are actually ways to kill that high dragon with 1 character on any difficulty with any gear. Made easier with a bow, but doable with melee weapons as well. The dragon has a deadzone where you can hit it but only ever be hit by the minor fire breath ability. The deadzone itself is a small area to the side of the dragon, more towards the front. You have to take care to stand far away enough to never be hit by grab (certain gib) and close enough so that you cant get hit by his wings buffer attack (which pulls you into range of things like grab). Anyway you pop a greater warmth balm potion, or just wear a ton of fire resistance and stand in that spot the entire fight shooting arrows, shooting with your staff or popping in to melee it when it uses fire spit/fire breath. Meleeing it is made much easier with dual weapon sweep.  When it turns you have to move into the new deadzone area.

Was fun coming up with that strat, but had to do it to complete nightmare as solo characters.

Modifié par imbs, 11 février 2013 - 12:20 .

[imbs]

double post; im a retard etc

Modifié par imbs, 11 février 2013 - 12:19 .

[10K]

Personally I like this idea, being one of those you play DA casually I can understand why a narrative mode would be wanted. I'm just not very good at the combat. DA2 was better, but the combat was still a bit awkward for me to grasp. So heck ME got an narrative mode, I don't see why DA can't have one.

[Tootles FTW]

simfamSP wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Could you clarify what you mean by "narrative difficulty"?

Think he means ME3's insanely easy difficulty.

Seriously, I melee'd an Atlas to death.

This whole concept is ridiculous.  "Easy" or "Casual" is more than sufficient, trust me, I play on Easy/Casual  unless difficulty achievements demand otherwise.  Calling it "narrative difficulty" is a semantic tactic to lure in otherwise gun-shy players who are interested in the story but scared of the combat.

[SgtElias]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Seriously, I melee'd an Atlas to death.

That was the best part of Narrative difficulty! After that I turned it back up to normal, though.

This whole concept is ridiculous.  "Easy" or "Casual" is more than sufficient, trust me, I play on Easy/Casual  unless difficulty achievements demand otherwise. 

While I mostly agree with you, I did actually know someone that couldn't play through casual (especially for Mass Effect), because of a combonation of poor skill and pretty several carpal tunnel. So until she got the hang of it (and some wrist braces) I played through all of Origins, ME1, ME2, and about 2/3 of Dragon Age 2 for her.

I realize that she's the exception, but there really are people who have trouble with even the easiest setting.

Not to be that person that jumps up and disagrees just to disagree.

[Wulfram]

Tootles FTW wrote...

Calling it "narrative difficulty" is a semantic tactic to lure in otherwise gun-shy players who are interested in the story but scared of the combat.

What's wrong with that?

[Maverick827]

My biggest issue with difficulty is "Insanity" or "Nightmare" difficulties are often tedious more than they are difficult. I'm debating even playing through DAO and DA2 before DA3 comes out simply because I know lower difficulties are too easy, but Nightmare is going to have this buffer area in the beginning where my character is going to get one shot by any enemy if I don't pay attention before finally coming into his own.

[Dabrikishaw]

Reidbynature wrote...

I honestly don't see the problem with this idea. It lets those who wish to just enjoy the story and not be bothered about the fights so much and doesn't impact on those of use who will try out the other difficulties.

[Plaintiff]

imbs wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

I included several disclaimers just to show that I don't condone any of the idiocy that /v/ did to her. I find it amusing how much more of a troll-post your post is tho. But m8, theres no need to stalk me and randomly attack my posts because i hurt your feelings. Which one are you btw were you in the ccc thread or the DA2vsDAO thread or some other? I do not recall.

Anyway I was providing an explanation to why Jennifer Helper was attacked, that's it. Calm down imo

There is no "explanation". Bullying is unacceptable for any reason.

How Jenifer Hepler feels about playing videogames is irrelevent. She's more than capable of writing good stories for them, and that's all that matters.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 12 février 2013 - 12:02 .

[imbs]

Plaintiff wrote...

imbs wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

I included several disclaimers just to show that I don't condone any of the idiocy that /v/ did to her. I find it amusing how much more of a troll-post your post is tho. But m8, theres no need to stalk me and randomly attack my posts because i hurt your feelings. Which one are you btw were you in the ccc thread or the DA2vsDAO thread or some other? I do not recall.

Anyway I was providing an explanation to why Jennifer Helper was attacked, that's it. Calm down imo

There is no "explanation". Bullying is unacceptable for any reason.

How Jenifer Hepler feels about playing videogames is irrelevent. She's more than capable of writing good stories for them, and that's all that matters.

why do i have to explain myself not only to stupid1 but also to stupid2? who knows, but the explanation part had nothing to do with my own opinion. Please dont respond to me or anything else for that matter if you cannot follow simple wording/english.

The dev who responded was nearly as bad mind you, but at least his meaningless white knighting was a result of my mistake in wording rather than this feebleness from you.

[Fredward]

imbs wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

imbs wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

I included several disclaimers just to show that I don't condone any of the idiocy that /v/ did to her. I find it amusing how much more of a troll-post your post is tho. But m8, theres no need to stalk me and randomly attack my posts because i hurt your feelings. Which one are you btw were you in the ccc thread or the DA2vsDAO thread or some other? I do not recall.

Anyway I was providing an explanation to why Jennifer Helper was attacked, that's it. Calm down imo

There is no "explanation". Bullying is unacceptable for any reason.

How Jenifer Hepler feels about playing videogames is irrelevent. She's more than capable of writing good stories for them, and that's all that matters.

why do i have to explain myself not only to stupid1 but also to stupid2? who knows, but the explanation part had nothing to do with my own opinion. Please dont respond to me or anything else for that matter if you cannot follow simple wording/english.

The dev who responded was nearly as bad mind you, but at least his meaningless white knighting was a result of my mistake in wording rather than this feebleness from you.

And this right here folks is an example of poor communication skills.

[Dabrikishaw]

imbs wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

imbs wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...
Welp, thanks for finally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are in fact nothing but a troll. Only the lowest dregs of the gaming community could attempt to even partially justify the attacks and hate against Jennifer Hepler.

I included several disclaimers just to show that I don't condone any of the idiocy that /v/ did to her. I find it amusing how much more of a troll-post your post is tho. But m8, theres no need to stalk me and randomly attack my posts because i hurt your feelings. Which one are you btw were you in the ccc thread or the DA2vsDAO thread or some other? I do not recall.

Anyway I was providing an explanation to why Jennifer Helper was attacked, that's it. Calm down imo

There is no "explanation". Bullying is unacceptable for any reason.

How Jenifer Hepler feels about playing videogames is irrelevent. She's more than capable of writing good stories for them, and that's all that matters.

why do i have to explain myself not only to stupid1 but also to stupid2? who knows, but the explanation part had nothing to do with my own opinion. Please dont respond to me or anything else for that matter if you cannot follow simple wording/english.

The dev who responded was nearly as bad mind you, but at least his meaningless white knighting was a result of my mistake in wording rather than this feebleness from you.

So this is how you respond to criticism, no wonder someone accused you of being a troll.