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[kalasaurus]

Addictress wrote...

Yeah I killed Kaidan on Virmire. Dangit I thought Garrus was available!!!

Sadly Garrus is only available as a romance if you dated him in ME2 and imported.  I'm sorry, but your FemShep will be going for the ladies or staying single.

It sucks that Kaidan and Garrus are the only straight romances for FemShep and they both depend on past choices 

[giftfish]

Addictress wrote...

Yeah I killed Kaidan on Virmire. Dangit I thought Garrus was available!!!

Nope.

Only available if continuted from ME2.

Your only option is to be a lesbian.  Which is fine...if that's how you RP your Shepard. But, considering she romanced Thane, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Sucks, huh?  That along with the plot discontinuities, ME2 squad retcon, and endings pretty much ruined my ME3 experience. 

My Collector's Edition sits gathering dust.

____

BTW, in a survey of about 6200 players, Thane was romanced by 48% of female respondents...but only 11% of male respondents..  Of all players who did romanced him, about 80% were female and 20% were male.

Another useful tidbit: this is essentially the exact situation with Miranda....only reverse the sexes.

Therefore, killing off Thane for the female playerbase is the equivalent of killing off Miranda for the male playerbase.

I'm not making any statements about his storyline, etc -- and I don't want this thread to get hijacked by getting into that discussion. Just talking survey results.

Modifié par giftfish, 05 février 2013 - 04:16 .

[Belisarius25]

Gift - I wasn't around for your survey. Out of curiousity, did it ask anything about the (cut) potential Vega romance?

[kalasaurus]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Gift - I wasn't around for your survey. Out of curiousity, did it ask anything about the (cut) potential Vega romance?

Vega was such a tease for FemShep lol.  If James Vega were Jane Vega, and a female version smokin' hot piece of marine a** who flirted constantly, I have a strong feeling she'd be romanceable for BroShep.

And then Joker friendzones FemShep.

Poor, poor straight FemShep.

Modifié par GlassElephant, 05 février 2013 - 04:37 .

[Tootles FTW]

GlassElephant wrote...

Vega was such a tease for FemShep lol.  If James Vega were Jane Vega, and a female version smokin' hot piece of marine a** who flirted constantly, I have a strong feeling she'd be romanceable for BroShep.

And then Joker friendzones FemShep.

Poor, poor straight FemShep.

  Well, at least we have Dragon Age?

[kalasaurus]

Tootles FTW wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Vega was such a tease for FemShep lol.  If James Vega were Jane Vega, and a female version smokin' hot piece of marine a** who flirted constantly, I have a strong feeling she'd be romanceable for BroShep.

And then Joker friendzones FemShep.

Poor, poor straight FemShep.

  Well, at least we have Dragon Age?

True.  The quality of Alistair and Garrus is almost enough to make me forget about the lack of variety.  Still, I feel for the FemSheps who favored Thane and Jacob 

[giftfish]

Belisarius25 wrote...

Gift - I wasn't around for your survey. Out of curiousity, did it ask anything about the (cut) potential Vega romance?

Unfortunately not explicitly.  But, we did ask which characters people were hoping to see added as new LIs, and James was very high on the list -- along with Kasumi and Joker.  Many others were suggested also :]

[kalasaurus]

giftfish wrote...

Belisarius25 wrote...

Gift - I wasn't around for your survey. Out of curiousity, did it ask anything about the (cut) potential Vega romance?

Unfortunately not explicitly.  But, we did ask which characters people were hoping to see added as new LIs, and James was very high on the list -- along with Kasumi and Joker.  Many others were suggested also :]

Do you have a link to the survey results?  I didn't vote in it either, but I'm curious.  Sounds interesting.

[Kel Riever]

Yate wrote...

too bad you can't romance both Thane and Steve to create the most depressing relationship ever

STEVE!

[giftfish]

GlassElephant wrote...

giftfish wrote...

Belisarius25 wrote...

Gift - I wasn't around for your survey. Out of curiousity, did it ask anything about the (cut) potential Vega romance?

Unfortunately not explicitly.  But, we did ask which characters people were hoping to see added as new LIs, and James was very high on the list -- along with Kasumi and Joker.  Many others were suggested also :]

Do you have a link to the survey results?  I didn't vote in it either, but I'm curious.  Sounds interesting.

Yep -- just click on the blog link in my sig

From there, hit the "survey tab" on the site's top menu.  Scroll down to where you see "document 3" in the "revised results" section. You want that one and "document 2" from above -- it contains all the comments from the survey.

FYI  -- revised survey document is not yet complete.  Additional revised results are being published each Friday on the blog (the Focus Friday column), occasionally along with newly analyzed results.  Once we wrap that up, then we'll pull those into the "document 4" that you see a placeholder for on the site.

If you are interested in the results on player gender and LIs, those were newly analyzed results and were published on the blog here and here.

Modifié par giftfish, 05 février 2013 - 05:24 .

[Twilight_Princess]

Bioware, this may come as a shock but some femshep players like men *nods*

The way you nuked two of the established femshep romances made me think you guys thought we didn't like having male options! We do , just saying.

[Reth Shepherd]

Tootles FTW wrote...

FemShep was royally screwed over in ME3, one of my major points of rage with the game (and I'm a die-hard Garrus romancer, but STILL - a girl needs options on occassion!).

My Thane-mancer playthrough killed Kaidan on Virmire, so she's pretty much forever alone. Unless I feel like tapping one of the three lesbians we're offered. Sigh.

Needs evening up on both straight and gay romance option numbers. Guys need another Steve or two, and gals need either FIVE more male options, or three more and we keep the scrapped two. This is ridiculous...

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 05 février 2013 - 05:38 .

[giftfish]

@Reth -- That is why I made this graphic for the blog (with the original author's permission):

[DoodlyDangus]

BioWare seems to be going after men who think lesbians are hot. I might be an anarcho-capitalist, but Dear God, sometimes keeping loyal fans and getting their money is better than changing the series just for short term profits.

[Barquiel]

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls). Apart from that, Kelly and Diana Allers are not exactly full blown romances. Miranda, Jack, Steve and Samantha are not very spectacular either. I don't support this, but it's the most likely explanation. You can definitely tell other places where Bioware cut corners in ME3 (Morinth comes to my mind).

[DoodlyDangus]

Barquiel wrote...

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls). Apart from that, Kelly and Diana Allers are not exactly full blown romances. Miranda, Jack, Steve and Samantha are not very spectacular either. I don't support this, but it's the most likely explanation. You can definitely tell other places where Bioware cut corners in ME3 (Morinth comes to my mind).

I find it odd that only 18% of people ever play FemShep when I see her all the time.

[Reth Shepherd]

Barquiel wrote...

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls). Apart from that, Kelly and Diana Allers are not exactly full blown romances. Miranda, Jack, Steve and Samantha are not very spectacular either. I don't support this, but it's the most likely explanation. You can definitely tell other places where Bioware cut corners in ME3 (Morinth comes to my mind).

I believe the pic referrenced who did and didn't give you the Paramour achievement in ME3. Kelly and Allers (gag) do, while Thane I believe does not. Jacob obviously does not.

As for how spectacular many romances are, I agree with you that nearly all of the ME2 romances and a few of the ME3 romances look like afterthoughts. Some days I think Tuchanka is the only part of the game that even came close to living up to its potential.

[giftfish]

Barquiel wrote...

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls).

This is not even remotely accurate.  At least not according to our poll of 6200 individuals.

Modifié par giftfish, 05 février 2013 - 06:10 .

[Barquiel]

giftfish wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls).

This is not even remotely accurate.  At least not according to our poll of 6200 individuals.

What is not accurate? The "18% femShep player" thing is an official Bioware statistic for ME2 (Mass Effect final hours app). So we can assume it's accurate. Liara being the most popular femShep romance is not an official statistic (as I have said). That was the only "femShep" poll I found that has a high number of votes...

http://social.biowar...362/polls/3023/

Modifié par Barquiel, 05 février 2013 - 06:29 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Barquiel wrote...

giftfish wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

This might have something to do with the fact that only 18% of the players choose FemShep (and most of them romanced Liara, if we believe the polls).

This is not even remotely accurate.  At least not according to our poll of 6200 individuals.

What is not accurate? The "18% femShep player" thing is an official Bioware statistic for ME2 (Mass Effect final hours app). So we can assume it's accurate. Liara being the most popular femShep romance is not an official statistic (as I have said). That was the only femShep only poll I found that has a high number of votes...

http://social.biowar...362/polls/3023/

I don't know if this is the poll referrenced by Barquiel or not, but this Tweet is talking about the massive Towards A Concensus survey done several months back. It tracked quite a few things, including Femshep vs Broshep,  and favorite LIs. Bioware even helped to promote the survey, before they received the results and then buried it for the reasons stated above. (None of the results of the survey were applied to the EC; which was in development at the time.) Btw, the Bioware statistics that Merizan referrenced above have yet to be made public.

[giftfish]

Yeah, I would need to see a citation for 18%. Also, considering players weren't playing online for ME2, I would be curious as to how BW arrived at that number.

Also, our survey would have covered femshep players from any/all 3 games.This is because we didn't ask people to identify which gender of Shepard they played, but the gender can be inferred from the LIs that they romanced. Kaidan and Liara being the complicating factors.

As for the poll that you linked, our survey is quite a bit more extensive and completed by far more players. You might find the results interesting.

[Barquiel]

Reth Shepherd wrote...

I don't know if this is the poll referrenced by Barquiel or not, but this Tweet is talking about the massive Towards A Concensus survey done several months back. It tracked quite a few things, including Femshep vs Broshep,  and favorite LIs. Bioware even helped to promote the survey, before they received the results and then buried it for the reasons stated above. (None of the results of the survey were applied to the EC; which was in development at the time.) Btw, the Bioware statistics that Merizan referrenced above have yet to be made public.

The official ME3 statistics would be certainly interesting. I think that's the survey they were talking about....

http://www.masseffec...k/#.URFRBPIiE8U

35,6 % FemShep players.

[Samtheman63]

my femshep who romanced thane had a little fun with samatha, nothing serious though

i will see you soon, thane

x

[Walsh1980]

Since there is hardly any reason to, the only ME2 romance I carried over was a Thane character. Basically I had a faithful Kaiden LI and went back into ME 2 and romanced Thane, told Kaiden that he hurt my feelings on Horizon so I went with Kermit, let Kermit die then went back with Kaiden. He was understanding.

[giftfish]

Barquiel wrote...

Reth Shepherd wrote...

I don't know if this is the poll referrenced by Barquiel or not, but this Tweet is talking about the massive Towards A Concensus survey done several months back. It tracked quite a few things, including Femshep vs Broshep,  and favorite LIs. Bioware even helped to promote the survey, before they received the results and then buried it for the reasons stated above. (None of the results of the survey were applied to the EC; which was in development at the time.) Btw, the Bioware statistics that Merizan referrenced above have yet to be made public.

The official ME3 statistics would be certainly interesting. I think that's the survey they were talking about....

http://www.masseffec...k/#.URFRBPIiE8U

35,6 % FemShep players.

We had 44-45%.

What's funny to me, speaking as someone who works with data, is you don't just throw out data that you "don't like" or that disagrees with what you found previously.  You have to examine why it's different.  You have to be skeptical about all the data at that point and re-analyze.

This, of course, is why BW wanted Origin for ME3.  So they can datamine everything. Problem is the folks left playing ME3 are not going to be representative of the folks who played ME1 & ME2 and went into ME3. Even the folks who finished ME3 won't be representative of those who started. I'd be interested to see how BW is compiling their data.

I find the Twitter exchange...disturbing.  Essentially it reads as "the other survey showed too many females (in comparison to BWs data), and females aren't our core, and we want to make sure we make our core fanbase happy".  In other words: "we don't really care about making female players happy....who also happen to be the ones who play FemShep".  If they "happen" to be happy by what we do, then "great"!

That makes me very grumpy.