88 réponses à ce sujet

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

You know you can be a fan of old school RPG's and Shooter and Action games, one does not preclude the other.

[giftfish]

I like ME2 the best.  Partly because it was my introduction to the series, and partly because it was just a fantastically written and well-paced game.  It was my first introduction to BW and I  had never played anything remotely like it.  I was literally blown away by the character depth.

That being said, I went back and palyed ME1, and while I did find it more tedious at first, I've now grown to love it almost as much as ME2.  The story in ME1 is also incredibly strong and the end of the game truly gave me goosebumps.  This was unlike the end of ME2 where I saw the human reaper and was like...."uhhhh, this just took a turn into cheesy science fiction movie..."

While I can appreciate certain aspects of ME3 (it's not "all" bad), overall I  have a strong distaste for it.  Mostly due to the plot holes, endings, the retcon of the entire ME2 squad (who were the first squad I played with) and Thane (who was my first and only LI). But also because it was quite obviously less of an RPG  game.  Mass Effect has always been an "action-RPG" series, but in ME3 the RP was dumbed down in such a serious way, your character didn't feel like your character anymore. In addition, the auto-dialogue made the characters not feel as strong and "connected" as in the first 2 installments of the game.

ME3 was a great game for folks who didn't play ME1 or ME2. Especially those who were not into RPGs.

As for other games I like, I'm an old school gamer, (first console was an Atari 2600 back in '83 or so) so the Zelda series is at the top. 

I played nothing but WoW from 2006-2010.  It really is a fantastic game with great lore, but character-interaction is not the focus.  It's more about the "world".  And, I don't recommend the Kung Fu Panda expansion. Everything before that is good.

Dragon Age, of course.

The Elder Scrolls -- Morrowind, Oblivion, & Skyrim (probably the most well-known RPG series out there).  TES & DA (and all BW games) are opposiite sides of the same coin.  BW games are character-driven.  It's not about going out to explore the world, it's about progressing through the story and building relationship swith characters along the way.  TES is a bit like WoW -- it's about the "world" and the lore -- not about characters and their relationships.  Skyrim, despite it's faults is gorgeous and very fun.  It is better modded.

Trine 1&2 -- this is an absolutely beautiful and fantastic side scroller fantasy/puzzle series.  You play 3 different characters: knight, wizard, and sexy thief. Very highly recommended.

Torchlight 1&2 -- The cheaper and possbily better "other"  Diablo. Fun dungeon crawler -- send your ferret/dog back to town to sell all your loot while you keep fighting the baddies.

That's about all I've played after getting back into gaming in 2006...after a 12 year absence (undergrad & grad school -- no time or money). 

Modifié par giftfish, 05 février 2013 - 12:13 .

[ZLurps]

I think ME1 is my favourite Mass Effect game. The most important things for me was how fresh the universe felt, story and characters.

My second favourite BW game would be ME2 I guess. Many things were improved and we get to see other sides of ME universe. However characters had bit too many daddy issues for my taste and leaving Collectors so distant for so long didn't worked well in scenario and universe. Yet I think it's very important that ME2 wasn't carbon copy of ME1.

What comes to other BW games, I liked Baldur's Gate games back in the day.

In general:
Fallout series.
StarCraft series.
The Longest Journey.
Various racing games, too many to list.
Deus Ex series (excluding Invisible War).


Looking forward to:
Wasteland 2.
StarCraft 2: Heart of the Swarm.
Cognition: An Erica Reed Thriller. (Second episode for this was released few days ago and I will get this eventually after I have had enough of ME MP).

Modifié par ZLurps, 05 février 2013 - 12:08 .

[Obitim]

DinoSteve wrote...

You know you can be a fan of old school RPG's and Shooter and Action games, one does not preclude the other.

Oh yeah, I'm aware of that, I rather enjoy COD and GOW but I'm looking at what first comes to your mind, while I enjoy the shooters, the games that I come back to are the RPG's like Baldurs gate, fall out and elder scrolls

[Atherus]

ME 1 was the best for me in the whole, especially since I´m one of the few who liked the Mako. Me 2 comes close, mostly because it had more explorable side quests and a really good Log (looking at ME 3).

Other Games I liked:
Shadow Hearts series (including Koudelka; Shadow Hearts; Shadow Hearts: the Covenant).
Kingdom Hearts 1+2
FFIV-FFXII don´t like FFXIII
Vagrant Story the reason I like FFXII
DMC 1,3+4
Legend of Legaia und LOL Duel Saga
The Witcher 1+2
Shadow of Memories (Vastly different Endings depending on what you did in the Game *cough*).
Resident Evil 1-4
Zone of the Enders 1+2
Metal Gear Solid 1-4
Demons Souls and Dark Souls
Chrono Trigger
Xenogears
Legend of the Dragoon

Most BW Games (except DA 2 and ME 3).

And Half Life 2. That especially because I just played it recently together with it´s episodes 1+2 and I found it more enjoyable than ME 3. And to be honest, I´m more eager to see Half Life 3 than the new Mass Effect Game.

Modifié par Atherus, 05 février 2013 - 12:18 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Obitim wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

You know you can be a fan of old school RPG's and Shooter and Action games, one does not preclude the other.

Oh yeah, I'm aware of that, I rather enjoy COD and GOW but I'm looking at what first comes to your mind, while I enjoy the shooters, the games that I come back to are the RPG's like Baldurs gate, fall out and elder scrolls

I'd agree that I would replay RPG's more than any other games.

Modifié par DinoSteve, 05 février 2013 - 12:14 .

[Jadebaby]

Obitim wrote...

 So a quick question could be:
Which is your favourite Mass Effect game and why, and also what other games are your favourites?

The reason I ask is that people who don't like ME1 seem to not enjoy the inventory management, the range of skills and the sheer amount of weapons and the clunky combat and Mako stuff.

People who like ME3 are fans of the change in gameplay mechanics.

I'm thinking that a lot of people who like ME1 are also fans of the more classic RPG's such as Baldurs Gate whereas the people who are more in the camp of ME2 and 3 are more fans of the likes of Gears of War and slightly more arcadey type games

I'm massively generalising on this but do people think that this is accurate? And what is your favourite ME game and what other games do you like?

I'd be an outlier in this experiment, I love Gears and I love other similiar shooty games like Halo and Rockstar games, I tend to stray away from COD games though...

Also, I never played Baldur's Gate (shameful, I know) or any old-school RPG's for that matter... In fact I think the first RPG I played must have been TESIV Oblivion back in 06..

You are right in some sense though, I did like all the things ME1 offered, all those RPG elements just made the game more unique in my opinion. While Mass Effect 3 is basically your classic example of a homogeneous game. It's basically Gears of War in Space. I constantly switch between the two and am just amazed by the similarities in gameplay... You think I'd like this being a Gears fan, but I don't. I like my games to be different. In every way possible.

Modifié par Jadebaby, 05 février 2013 - 12:21 .

[Immortal fish]

While Mass Effect 3 does have some disapointments for me, i definitely enjoyed the combat and a lot of the gameplay more than in Mass Effect. Overall i love all 3 games but 2 is probably my favourite.
My dislike of Mass Effects gameplay is certainly not a sign that that i don't like RPGs though.
Baldur's gate is still one of my top games, along with KOTOR, Dragon Age and Jade Empire. I personally wouldn't use Jade Empire as an example of "oldschool" RPGs though. Extremely slimmed down inventory system, fast-paced combat with a lot of button mashing, its got a fair few features that don't really fit a lot of peoples definition of the genre.

[Mcfly616]

Obitim wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Umm yeah, as you said....you're definitely generalizing. So its not correct. I'm sure it applies to certain people, but isn't a universal fact.


ME1 is my favorite game in the trilogy (and one of my favorite games ever). I like the Mako. I like exploring the worlds. The sheer amount of loot was the problem for me, not the inventory system. Combat is clunky, but fun in its own way.

ME2 is my least favorite because it stripped away and/or changed many of the things I loved about Mass Effect

I believe ME3 is a step in the right direction, with skill attribute system getting the attention it deserves, and a more focused narrative compared to the second installment


ME1 stands alone. ME2 changed everything, ME3 is just a sequal to the gameplay style that was introduced in ME2. Though its also an improvement in nearly every way imo

Fair enough, what other franchises/games are you a fan of?

I'm trying to see if the fans of ME1 are more fans of BG games whereas ME2 and 3 fans are keen for Gears of war and the like...

my taste in games is the same as it is with music and movies......its diverse.


Other games I own. Well, as of now for Xbox, I have:


KotoR (1&2)
Jade Empire
GTA Vice City
Halo (all of them)
Gears of War trilogy (excellent shooter, but not-so great games)
Skyrim
Battlefield 3
Sleeping Dogs
Ghost Recon Future Soldier
Just Cause 2
Red Dead Redemption
Far Cry 3
Borderlands 2
Mortal Kombat
The Witcher 2
L.A. Noire
Mass Effect Trilogy


For NES I have:
Super Mario Bros/Duck Hunt
Tecmo Bowl
Super Mario 3
TMNT: the Arcade Game


For Super NES:
Super Metroid
Super Mario World
Star Fox


For Sega:
Altered Beast
Sonic (1&2)
Jurassic Park


Playstation:
Resident Evil 1&2 (when it was good)
Dino Crysis 2
MGS
Syphon Filter 2


N64:
Mario 64
Perfect Dark
Mario Kart
Ocarina of Time


I've owned a few more systems and plenty more games. And I'm sure theres a few more that I can't think of right now.

[Obitim]

Jadebaby wrote...

Obitim wrote...

 So a quick question could be:
Which is your favourite Mass Effect game and why, and also what other games are your favourites?

The reason I ask is that people who don't like ME1 seem to not enjoy the inventory management, the range of skills and the sheer amount of weapons and the clunky combat and Mako stuff.

People who like ME3 are fans of the change in gameplay mechanics.

I'm thinking that a lot of people who like ME1 are also fans of the more classic RPG's such as Baldurs Gate whereas the people who are more in the camp of ME2 and 3 are more fans of the likes of Gears of War and slightly more arcadey type games

I'm massively generalising on this but do people think that this is accurate? And what is your favourite ME game and what other games do you like?

I'd be an outlier in this experiment, I love Gears and I love other similiar shooty games like Halo and Rockstar games, I tend to stray away from COD games though...

Also, I never played Baldur's Gate (shameful, I know) or any old-school RPG's for that matter... In fact I think the first RPG I played must have been TESIV Oblivion back in 06..

You are right in some sense though, I did like all the things ME1 offered, all those RPG elements just made the game more unique in my opinion. While Mass Effect 3 is basically your classic example of a homogeneous game. It's basically Gears of War in Space. I constantly switch between the two and am just amazed by the similarities in gameplay... You think I'd like this being a Gears fan, but I don't. I like my games to be different. In every way possible.

Not played Baldurs gate????  and I was just starting to like you!

Just kidding, if you get chance then you should pick up a copy, it;s dirt cheap now and a cracking investment, I;d also recommend Knights of the old Republic if you're a star wars fan!

I'd like ot see who likes what and what appeals to people, what made people dive into the series at ME1, ME2 or ME3...what drew them to it?  What sort of game did they think it would be?

[DirtyPhoenix]

Me never played Baldur's Gate either. Infact I've not played any BW game other than ME..
...I should go :|

[ioannisdenton]

Favorite games this Gen:
ME1-2-3
Dragon age origins
Dragon age 2 (i find it awesome given the fact it was rushed)
Deus ex HR (Deus ex 1 was the beast though, check my name)
Uncharted series (yet to play 3 but i know i wont be dissapointed as the first 2 games are always thrilling to play)

and that's it. i ve played hordes of games but these are the ones that make me coming back fo multiple playthroughs.

[Obitim]

pirate1802 wrote...

Me never played Baldur's Gate either. Infact I've not played any BW game other than ME..
...I should go :|

You should definitley look at the back catalogue then!  

[Beama Beorhtost]

ME1 is my favourite of the series.

As for games, and in no particular order:

The Halo series
Half-Life (1 and 2)
Both Portals
Deus-ex (1, 2 and HR; although the second is the weakest of the 3)
Bioshock (1 and 2; also pre-ordered limited edition of Infinite)
Rainbow Six series
The F.E.A.R. series
GoW (prefer the first one though, don't know why)
Metro 2033
RAGE
F3 New Vegas


Dragon Age series

[Sailfindragon]

 ME 1 I think will always be my firm favourite. However, I love the improvements that were made to ME 2 and to some extent ME 3.
 
I play lots of games from many different genres. This is a few.
 
Fallout series
Skyrim
Crysis series
Red Dead Redemption 
Splinter Cell
Tomb Raider
Deus Ex - HR
Prototype 2 - have not played 1 
I own Dragon Age and Dragon Age 2, but so far have not played them.
Dead Space 2
Anno
Dishonored
Witcher 2

Sims 2 & 3 alot as I create content for them.

Modifié par Sailfindragon, 05 février 2013 - 01:34 .

[PwnedDuck]

Your Assertion is incorrect. To me ME2>ME3>ME1, in large part because of the inventory system, mako, dull combat, bad squadmate introductions and sorting through loot to find something 1% better of 1. I have never played CoD, nor Gears of War, My other favourite game series are Strategy games like total war or starcraft, RPGs and MMOs Like Eve Online, Final Fantasy, Fallout, Skyrim, and other well written fare like Portal or LA Noire.

If prefer ME2 overall due both to plot and Gameplay, and whereas ME3 improved gameplay a little, the ending really let it down to me, to the plot level of ME1. However, the oppressive atmosphere and, good gameplay and actual individual conversations between squadmates raised it above ME1's level for me.

[Obitim]

Fair point, I did say it was a massive generalisation...perhaps you are one of the anomalies

[StayFrosty05]

I prefer ME3's game/combat mechanics over ME1....ME1 I liked the story, hated the over convoluted inventory and clunky Mako...My favorite games are...:

ME series
Elder Scrolls Oblivion and Skyrim....(modded)
Fallout3 and FallouNV....(modded)

I love intense RP....love realism in my games and play it all to the hilt...lifestyle, eating, drinking, sleeping, what they carry, how much, never fast travel, etc...Very defined characters...their views, outlooks, opinions, morality, etc...and all have very definged and detailed back stories.

Hate Arcade games.

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 05 février 2013 - 02:48 .

[nopantsisabela]

ME1 was literally the first game I ever played (in 2010). In general, I preferred the gameplay in that game to that of 2/3. Not that I didn't enjoy 2, and parts of 3, for other aspects. For instance, in 3, I liked the way that Shepard "felt more agile" as someone else put it. Maybe that was just due to the animations being less clunky? I really really miss the open environments of ME1. Being able to run around the Citadel made everything else just feel so much more real. Same with having to run back to your shuttle after missions, etc. I really appreciate those small touches, because they make the game seem so much more immersive.

I will admit that in the beginning, the inventory system in ME1 was overwhelming. But I really liked having the responsibility of "equipping my team" lest they have crappy gear and be vulnerable during missions. Also, I freaking loved the Mako. This is coming from a girl who can't play racing games because she just crashes into everything. The Mako made everything seem so open and that thing was pretty much impossible to flip. Though I did manage it a few times.

Other games I have played:
DA series
Portal 1 & half of 2
Skyrim - kind of. I got massively sidetracked when I discovered you could just swim down rivers...
Indigo Prophecy

All things considered, I would rank the games ME1 = ME2 > ME3.

EDIT to say: I despised not being able to lower/ holster my weapon in ME3. It was so distracting to have to keep it out all the time.

Modifié par nopantsisabela, 05 février 2013 - 03:02 .

[Belisarius25]

For me, all the ME games are enjoyable on their own but the overall narrative and editorial "control went downhill starting in ME2, which I found disappointing, which also led to the disjointed nature of ME3. There's still really good ideas at times, really good moments/characters, but there's increasing problems with balancing different choices, characters, plots, etc.

As for other games, I've mostly played RPGs (lots of Bioware ones), a couple MMOs (WoW/ToR) and action types. Occasional sports games and I used to enjoy space simulators until that genre died off.

I'd say my favorite non-ME games so far have been Baldur's Gate 2 and Descent Freespace 2. I am not a major gamer, though.

I'd kill for a Descent Freespace 3. Well, I'd kill again.

Modifié par Belisarius25, 05 février 2013 - 03:07 .

[LTKerr]

ME >>>> ME2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ME3

I'm ok with shooter gameplay if that doesn't affect plot, story, immersion or quality... which sadly is what ME2 and especially ME3 did. ME inventory system was terrible, it didn't need to be eliminated but fixed. The same for Mako and cloned locations. At least they really improved characters and secondary missions in ME2. There's only one thing I think Bioware improved in ME3: the Normandy and her crew. At last your squad members talk to each other instead of being a huge forever alone party.

Other games I like...uhm... Fallout, The Witcher, Half-Life, Portal, Final Fantasy (until X), The Longest Journey, KotOR, Deus Ex, Deus EX:HR, etc

[dreamgazer]

ME1, and I like both classic adventure RPGs (table-top and computer/console) and linear third-person shooters. I still dig ME2 a lot, though.

Narrative > Gameplay

[Obitim]

I agree LTKerr, the characters got a lot of an overhaul in ME2 and 3, I did liek the development of Wrex and Garrus in ME. Especially Garrus as you could assist him in being more bloodthirsty or see that there are different ways to handle things...