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[Rorschachinstein]

I just assume both races are based on fauns

[Gamer Ftw]

Rotfl,So no breasts?
Human males and females don't look exactly alike why should Kossith?
I wish people thought for themselves instead of linking multiple times to tv tropes.

[Rorschachinstein]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Rotfl,So no breasts?
Human males and females don't look exactly alike why should Kossith?
I wish people thought for themselves instead of linking multiple times to tv tropes.

don't look alike? Everyone, other than the face looks alike in Dragon Age.  Even more so when they stopped adding fat people

[MichaelStuart]

Gamer Ftw wrote...
Human males and females don't look exactly alike why should Kossith?

Than why not just use humans?

[Gamer Ftw]

Not true, there are clear differences between males and females of every race.
Because they aren't human Michael...

Modifié par Gamer Ftw, 06 février 2013 - 03:59 .

[perfect_victime]

Cool thanks guys for clearing that up for me.

[Face of Evil]

Horned Humanoids is a pretty common trope in fantasy fiction. What sets the qunari apart from most is their religious angle.

[Demi Strike]

I'd be ok with another qunari companion like Sten from DA:Origins.

Modifié par Demi Strike, 06 février 2013 - 06:43 .

[Wompoo]

meh both are ripped from DnD in a way look at NWN2's Neeshka (or Greek Mythology) those 2 games can hardly be called truly unique. Honestly it would be hard to come up with something truly unique after a few thousand years of folk lore and mythology.

Modifié par Wompoo, 06 février 2013 - 06:52 .

[Kidd]

When did draenei stop looking like this?



Or is this just Blizzard doing that whole "non-human men look alien, non-human women are human women with another skin colour" thing? Very glad BioWare doesn't do that.

[Innis Cabal_]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

When did draenei stop looking like this?



Or is this just Blizzard doing that whole "non-human men look alien, non-human women are human women with another skin colour" thing? Very glad BioWare doesn't do that.

When those weren't ever Draenei in the first place. That's a Broken, which is a mutant and devolved form of the Draenei or it could be a Lost One, which is more or less the same thing as a Broken. In either case, they're all Eredar but not all Draenei.

Modifié par Innis Cabal , 06 février 2013 - 08:44 .

[Kidd]

Innis Cabal wrote...

When those weren't ever Draenei in the first place. That's a Broken, which is a mutant and devolved form of the Draenei or it could be a Lost One, which is more or less the same thing as a Broken. In either case, they're all Eredar but not all Draenei.

This was explained in WoW, I take it?

[Das Tentakel]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Innis Cabal wrote...

When those weren't ever Draenei in the first place. That's a Broken, which is a mutant and devolved form of the Draenei or it could be a Lost One, which is more or less the same thing as a Broken. In either case, they're all Eredar but not all Draenei.

This was explained in WoW, I take it?

It was a retcon - Blizzard had a minor ****storm at its hands because of this at the time, if I remember correctly.

Face of Evil wrote...

Horned Humanoids is a pretty common trope in fantasy fiction. What sets the qunari apart from most is their religious angle.

As he said, see also ‘tieflings’.



Main difference is that the Qunari/Kossith are big humans with or without horns, while the current Draenei and Tieflings are to a much larger degree chimaeras (combining human and animal physical characteristics).

As a D&D and ex-WoW player I wasn’t exactly thrilled about the Qunari ‘redesign’, since it really screamed ‘mainstream commodified fantasy look’ to me. That this was always the intended look, according to claims by BioWare, didn’t really help either. Because, y’know, ‘make it look generic’.

Good characterization and writing can temporarily help me forget the ‘Hey, we didn’t want to pay Wizards of the Coast a licensing fee’ vibe I get every time I see a Qunari. It remains a nagging feeling in the back of my mind, though. Then again, there are other things which I like even less, whether in DA or in other RPG’s.

As for the strong sexual dimorphism you see in the current Draenei, and to a somewhat lesser extent the Qunari/Kossith (basically to 'sexy them up'), see also: thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/07/14/gendered-fantasy-sexual-dimorphism-in-world-of-warcraft/

Modifié par Das Tentakel, 06 février 2013 - 09:51 .

[Harle Cerulean]

Innis Cabal wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

When did draenei stop looking like this?



Or is this just Blizzard doing that whole "non-human men look alien, non-human women are human women with another skin colour" thing? Very glad BioWare doesn't do that.

When those weren't ever Draenei in the first place. That's a Broken, which is a mutant and devolved form of the Draenei or it could be a Lost One, which is more or less the same thing as a Broken. In either case, they're all Eredar but not all Draenei.

Yeah, that's a Lost One.  The Lost Ones are even more 'devolved' than the Broken (though 'devolved' is a crappy term, because it implies that evolution is unidirectional and that there are "pinnacles" of evolution and so on, which is all false - 'differently evolved due to extreme pressures' would be more accurate).

Male Draenei look like this:


In short: both male and female Qunari have physical similarities to Draenei, in that they have horns and are larger and more muscular than humans, as well as Draenei skin tones tending towards the blue grey-to-dark purple range, while the Qunari seem to be uniformly grey, so that's sort of similar.  They're also both largely very religious races, though the Qun is completely different from the Draenei's worship of the Light and the Naaru.  However, there are differences as well: Qunari don't have tails or digitigrade unguligrade, my mistake, legs ending in hooves, Draenei do.  If you're going to say they're the same because Draenei have one possible skin tone that's the same as the Qunari tone, and because they have horns and are big, then you're massively oversimplifying and also ignoring that there are just as many differences as there are similarities.

Modifié par Harle Cerulean, 06 février 2013 - 09:06 .

[Swagger7]

Sideria wrote...

Swagger7 wrote...
We could theoretically still have such an LI if Gaider found other reasons why she'd make a good character.  It seems highly unlikely in this Dragon Age game though.

Well he also say that this part of the game was already fixed. 

Hence why I said it was unlikely.

[Wolfva2]

C'mon. We already know what female Qunari look like.hot redheaded elven women.

[MichaelStuart]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Because they aren't human Michael...

Thats my point, if qunari aren't human why expect them to funaction the same way humans do.

[imbs]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Or is this just Blizzard doing that whole "non-human men look alien, non-human women are human women with another skin colour" thing? Very glad BioWare doesn't do that.

Didnt play swtor? That had the whole multiple humans with different colored skin thing going on. Warcraft on the other hand has gnomes, taurens, goblins etc that are very much different in style and shape to humans.

OT: Draenei are qt so its fine innit. I played a draenei female shaman for ages in wow and i had no reason to complain about the model. The animations were pretty crappy but yeah

[Kidd]

imbs wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Or is this just Blizzard doing that whole "non-human men look alien, non-human women are human women with another skin colour" thing? Very glad BioWare doesn't do that.

Didnt play swtor? That had the whole multiple humans with different colored skin thing going on. Warcraft on the other hand has gnomes, taurens, goblins etc that are very much different in style and shape to humans.

Oh I'm quite aware the races in TOR are effectively humans in hats. To be fair, so are most races in ME and all races in DA as well. I'm fine with that, no need to throw in alien-looking races in DA for instance just to have something non-humanoid in there.

I was referring to a divide in gender, where the non-human men are designed to be interesting whereas the non-human women are designed to be hot - in other words, you'll have what are basically long-eared humans with green skin paired up with what can only be described as beasts when you look at their society.

[Gamer Ftw]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Because they aren't human Michael...

Thats my point, if qunari aren't human why expect them to funaction the same way humans do.

because men and women don't look the same in any species ever?

[Noviere]

MichaelStuart wrote...
Than why not just use humans?

It's time we stop relying on tropes and cliches to determine what females of a humanoid species look like. Sexual dimorphism 2.0! Female elves should be sentient tree stumps, and female dwarves should be giant caterpillars.

Modifié par Noviere, 06 février 2013 - 05:01 .

[MichaelStuart]

Gamer Ftw wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Because they aren't human Michael...

Thats my point, if qunari aren't human why expect them to funaction the same way humans do.

because men and women don't look the same in any species ever?

What about fish?

Besides, the whole point I'm trying to make is that instead of trying to do something differen't than everyone ever, Bioware went with the same old tropes.
I understand why they did it, but I feel disappointed that they did.

[MichaelStuart]

Noviere wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...
Than why not just use humans?

It's time we stop relying on tropes and cliches to determine what females of a humanoid species look like. Sexual dimorphism 2.0! Female elves should be sentient tree stumps, and female dwarves should be giant caterpillars.

Exactly.

Modifié par MichaelStuart, 06 février 2013 - 06:03 .

[Fast Jimmy]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Gamer Ftw wrote...

Because they aren't human Michael...

Thats my point, if qunari aren't human why expect them to funaction the same way humans do.

because men and women don't look the same in any species ever?

What about fish?

Or birds? Or dogs? Or cats? Or snakes? Or squirrels? Or chimpanzees? Or cheetahs? Or giraffes? Or hippos? Or mice? Or roughly 99% of all animals on Earth that are indistinguishable unless you look at their genitalia?

Man... scientific inaccuracies... Out the wazzoo.