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[BattleCop88]

The answer is always use a Turian, isn't it BSN?

[Gunboat Diplomat]

It's really not that bad if you get used to its recoil and avoid scoping cause hipfired is actually more accurate, in CQC it's pretty effective imo

[darkpassenger2342]

BattleCop88 wrote...

The answer is always use a Turian, isn't it BSN?

ironically its also NEVER an acceptable answer, as in

"X gun is great becuz i use it on tsol!"

bsn: claim invalid.

[Computron2000]

Its not crap but with the various buffs to the others and newly added weapons over time, the hornet has become lackluster. I wouldn't mind seeing a buff at all.

[SoundWraith]

Burst-fire weapons are just less rewarding by ease of usage. I used to put the Hornet on my adepts with warp rounds and it worked pretty well, putting out shots as needed in between power spam.

That was a thing of the past once my CSMG got to X. Lower power but full auto fire and ease of headshots won me over.

[Kalas Magnus]

Tokenusername wrote...

[masleslie]

It's weird wading in on this, i don't really like SMGs, they always feel like a back up weapon to me. But there are challenges to be done!

I have been trying Hornet on Turian Sentinel this week. Sounds awful but drops most foes in 2 or 3 bursts even with body shots (silver). I was pleasantly surprised. As for the Shuriken, i put it on my Valkyrie a few weeks back. Hated it & struggled to days, then something just clicked & I'm getting along fine with it now.

[Arppis]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It really is garbage. But that won't stop fanboys defending it and accusing you of being bad for thinking an objectively bad weapon is bad.

Well there is a lot of guns that fanboys defend to the death, which I find personaly not worth the hype this forum is giving them.

Modifié par Arppis, 06 février 2013 - 07:17 .

[jancz89]

I confess, I like hornet

[xtorma]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

What's most amusing is the people who attempt to portray themselves as better players than others because they can "make it work" by "using it in the right way". Clueless.

So you've never ridden a horse to work

[Variasaber]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

BattleCop88 wrote...

The answer is always use a Turian, isn't it BSN?

ironically its also NEVER an acceptable answer, as in

"X gun is great becuz i use it on tsol!"

bsn: claim invalid.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people
defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad
players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a
terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

What's
most amusing is the people who attempt to portray themselves as better
players than others because they can "make it work" by "using it in the
right way". Clueless.

Here we have people who cannot understand the concept that different weapons are meant for different classes.
How are those FBWGG farming runs working out for you? Have you unlocked your first UR yet?

[darkpassenger2342]

um, we both have them all....
wtf are you talking about? you clearly took those posts out of context and went off about nothing.

l2read

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 février 2013 - 07:35 .

[Zjarcal]

Variasaber wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people
defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad
players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a
terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

What's
most amusing is the people who attempt to portray themselves as better
players than others because they can "make it work" by "using it in the
right way". Clueless.

Here we have people who cannot understand the concept that different weapons are meant for different classes.
How are those FBWGG farming runs working out for you? Have you unlocked your first UR yet?

*grabs popcorn*

Honestly, as someone who used to defend the Hornet (and yes, I DO feel bad for having done that), it really is a bad weapon for a gold card. You can make it work yes, but there's not a single case in which another weapon couldn't do its job better (and usually much better).

For a rare, it's incredibly underwhelming.

[Arppis]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

What's most amusing is the people who attempt to portray themselves as better players than others because they can "make it work" by "using it in the right way". Clueless.

I'd still say that some people might have understood something about the gun that I have not. I admit that I might not be able to use some of the guns in optimal capacity and I consider them supbar for some of the guns I use. Like Talon doesn't really fit my playstyle as well as AT-Raider does, or Claymore (I did kinda see what makes the gun so good, but I still felt when using it that it's damage was little too low for it being a one-shotter, so I stick with Raider).

But hey, those guns might be amazing in right hands. I just haven't seen it happen, nor could I get a hang of what makes the guns so good... but I play with pugs most of the time.

[Variasaber]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

um, we both have them all....
wtf are you talking about? you clearly took those posts out of context and went off about nothing.

l2read

How could I have taken them out of context if I quoted them in their entirety?
I checked your profile and I see you're playing the 360 version. That explains the problem, compensating for recoil with those analog sticks is damn near impossible.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Not sure if trolling or genuinely clueless.

There's that word again.
I think I saw you earlier in the Platinum speedrun thread?
If you're judging the Hornet by its performance on Platinum, of course it doesn't perform well there, only the best weapons perform well there.

I admit the Hornet is not the best SMG -- the Hurricane outclasses it, and I've heard the CSMG does as well, though I haven't had the chance to try that one yet -- but on Silver and Gold it is definitely a functional option with the right build.


And in regards to an earlier point, "it works well on a Turian" IS a valid argument, since not every gun does.

[darkpassenger2342]

Variasaber wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

um, we both have them all....
wtf are you talking about? you clearly took those posts out of context and went off about nothing.

l2read

How could I have taken them out of context if I quoted them in their entirety?
I checked your profile and I see you're playing the 360 version. That explains the problem, compensating for recoil with those analog sticks is damn near impossible.

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Not sure if trolling or genuinely clueless.

There's that word again.
I think I saw you earlier in the Platinum speedrun thread?
If you're judging the Hornet by its performance on Platinum, of course it doesn't perform well there, only the best weapons perform well there.

I admit the Hornet is not the best SMG -- the Hurricane outclasses it, and I've heard the CSMG does as well, though I haven't had the chance to try that one yet -- but on Silver and Gold it is definitely a functional option with the right build.


And in regards to an earlier point, "it works well on a Turian" IS a valid argument, since not every gun does.

where did i even say the hornet is bad?
quote it or stfu, i said nothing to antagonize you before you started ranting.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 06 février 2013 - 07:46 .

[heybigmoney]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

LOL did this game suddenly turn into street fighter third strike?  Cuz the game I'm playing involves alot of spamming against clueless ai enemies with hitboxes the size of barns, and not advanced gameplay mechanics.

But yeah, this gun blows.

[Variasaber]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

The difference being that the Talon is an objectively awesome weapon. (One of the best in the game). The Hornet is a gun that good players can make work well. The Talon is an awesome gun that good players will make even more awesome.

All of this is true.
(I did remove the word "bad" from the phrase "The Hornet is a bad gun" in that quote, but all the other statements in the quote I agree with 100%).

[Diogo Marzo]

I've been using the hornet in tandem with the havoc and its been great. I have the Acolyte for dealing with shields, but otherwise it's a killer on silver.

[Arppis]

Lord_Sirian wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Lord_Sirian wrote...

It's quite amusing to see people defend it as a "caster weapon". Terrible justification by bad players/pubstars who think they are much better than they are. It's a terrible weapon and anyone defending it should feel bad.

What's most amusing is the people who attempt to portray themselves as better players than others because they can "make it work" by "using it in the right way". Clueless.

I'd still say that some people might have understood something about the gun that I have not. I admit that I might not be able to use some of the guns in optimal capacity and I consider them supbar for some of the guns I use. Like Talon doesn't really fit my playstyle as well as AT-Raider does, or Claymore (I did kinda see what makes the gun so good, but I still felt when using it that it's damage was little too low for it being a one-shotter, so I stick with Raider).

But hey, those guns might be amazing in right hands. I just haven't seen it happen, nor could I get a hang of what makes the guns so good... but I play with pugs most of the time.

 

The difference being that the Talon is an objectively awesome weapon. (One of the best in the game). The Hornet is a bad gun that good players can make work well. The Talon is an awesome gun that good players will make even more awesome.

I found Talon to be very medicore... tried it with scope and without. But then again, I had it on level 2 or something. Maybe it gets better on higher levels. I just couldn't see what the fuzz was about, even with the headshots. But AGAIN maybe I just need to try it a bit more.

I think Hornet could use a small damage boost, I like the gun otherwise. Weight is nice, the recoil brings character to the gun, firing speed is nice too. Guess that's why it does sucha medicore damage. Not very gold or Plat gun imo either.

[Variasaber]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

where did i even say the hornet is bad?
quote it or stfu, i said nothing to antagonize you before you started ranting.

Sorry if I mistook your meaning, I got the impression from this post:

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

BattleCop88 wrote...

The answer is always use a Turian, isn't it BSN?

ironically its also NEVER an acceptable answer, as in

"X gun is great becuz i use it on tsol!"

bsn: claim invalid.

...that you were saying it was bad.
Implications are tricky to read sometimes.