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[AjaxDuo]

IWC3714A wrote...

neocodexx wrote...

I am smelling a nonmaster race here, not that it matters but just proves some other fact.

Seriously tough, OP:

goback2silver, learn2play.

Most of us didnt start playing gold until we had at least some of the rares near maxed back when the game started, also been playing silver for months before even tryed gold. And even than with best amps and ammos. Also, playing for months back than meant you probably also had more rares leveled up since there were a few less you could get (thus increasing your chance of progressing faster trough rng).

Going to platinum with 100 games played is a lol, and you should be kicked from every gold and specialy platinum randoms lobbies until you get at least like 300 games behind you for gold and maybe double that to be deemed ready for platinum. This is, of course, if you want to be viable, or even think about "carrying" someone.

It is completely different tough, if you find 3 elitist friends that will carry you on plat to earn you some fast creds, which is totally doable even with a n7 1 scrub if he's following the team and not screwing things up (we've done it before, it was never a problem).

Now stop acting smart, be patient and go back to silver, enjoy the game, or find some people that will help you level up if you're not patient, but I think that's not the right way to go, because believe me, you need experience not matter how much talent you think have. Every game counts, no matter what difficulty you played on. And challenge points and banners don't mean anything in terms of skills, just for future reference. It might show apart a new player from a seasoned one, but this is never a rule that they are really good. I've seen people suck who made the challenges and earned a hoarde of points way quicker than I did, but were nowhere near an elitist player in terms of skill. So forget about those jerks that are stating their N7 and score is too high to play with you - no, it's not that, but it's you, you're just imagining this the wrong way. You think that they think they are better, but it is you who is overreacing and overexpecting his abilities and believe me good sir, they are doing you a favor from kicking you in a plat lobby. I would kick a player like you everyday from randoms (not as if I play any), for the sake of everyone's good, because you are just not ready. Bottom line. Except in the case the friends are farming it for you, this is the only case you can stay in a platinum match.

So if you still really want to speed this up, behave nice on the bsn, join a group and try to find some cool to play with who will help you.

Sincerely,

- your elitist jerk

OMG Neo, i stopped reading at most of us started gold when you have at least a maxed out rare.
I topped a U/U/G with 120k with a N7 Fury Lvl 20, Acolyte III, N7 Lvl. 60, that's why i moved to plat.

Like i said, it takes longer for some

It's not a matter of a 'faster learning curve' it's respect, you just don't jump into a Platinum lobby without the correct equipment and 'decently' leveled gear - it's just plain rude. If you really want the challenge of doing it whilst being undergeared, thats okay no one's stopping you, just host your own lobby. You asked for criticism and got it, chill out dude. My own advice is that you should attempt to solo Gold matches till you improve upon your ability to 'pull your own weight' so to speak (it's what I do), after that your ready for Platinum. When people are running Platinum matches they want some assurance that they aren't wasting their time and IV consumables etc, never ever enter a Platinum match without having 5 of each consumable. Getting kicked may not be because your a bad player, you may not have the correct equipment or not synergize well with the team. They may of wanted to free the spot up for a friend, you never know. Take it in your stride and move on to the next lobby. Best of luck

[Mad Scientist]

OP, you are not ready for platinum, plain and simple. If you showed up in my lobby, I would've kicked you too. It's not being elitist, it's being prudent. If you don't use consumables and maxed (or at least high lvl weapons), you are a liability.

[megabeast37215]

IWC3714A wrote...

2. Kicking people because their N7 Level needs to be atleast 120 is wrong. It's your game if you're hosting and it's your right to doubt other people according to their manifest. What you're failing to see is, there are different solutions to a puzzle. And ME3 is a puzzle and you have a variety of weapons, classes, consumables, etc to solve it. Having a maxed out manifest is the ultimate solution to the game in general, but don't bash other players if they find a workaround with low level weapons. Is it not a strategy game when you're learning maps to your advantage and your characters' strength and weaknesses?

Ok, here we go. The reason people kick low N7s is because LITERALLY 9 times out of 10, they will suck, drag down your team and not contribute enough to be worth having around. Are there exceptions? Of course there are... but why should I expose myself to the HIGH possibility of having a bad teammate? You're asking me to take a risk/chance on you... why should I do that? Who are you to me? Why should I care about you in the least? See what I'm getting at here... the risk does not justify the reward.

Even if you were had a 120 N7... that's still a red flag. The next thing I'm going to look at is your weapon(s) that you've selected for the match, the mods on them and the consumable gear you've equipped. If I don't see a maxed Rare weapon, or an Ultra Rare of a decent level, with the proper mods and complimenting equipment... it's a kick. If however, you had a N7 120, a level X rare or a low level UR, the right mods and good consumables on... then I would consider not kicking.

Other players have no way to tell if you're good or not, we only have clues to go on. These clues are: N7 ranks, challenge points, the level of your weapons, the mod/consumable selection and if you have a mic or not. If that criteria isn't met... sorry Charlie, it's not my problem.. and I'm not going to make it my problem by carrying someone.

3. Also, do you find the act of promoting and jacking your N7 Level worth doing? If so keep doing it. As for me, I play on the PS3 so moving around is difficult compared to PC players, i need about the best cover i can get especially on higher difficulity and that's easier with the infiltrator. The problem to dps is solved with the Fury. I'm learning these 2 classes, and promoting and setting back the class to Level 1 will just hurt the learning curve as for now so i refuse to do it. I'm pretty sure by the day ME4 came out (if ever), i'd be a N7 Lvl 120 at most with 0 promotions doing plat. Hell I like the No. 100 so i might just leave it at that, meaning I'll leave a class unplayed. 

Do I find the act of promoting fun? Hell F no.. I don't do it anymore (I did for awhile back when we used to get 250k character cards in every pack, even when we had those characters maxed out. Then Bioware introduced Level IV consumables and I never promoted again except for the Banner). 

Moving around is difficult? What? That doesn't sound good. 

The best cover? Dude... seriously? I'm gonna let you in on a little secret... good players don't take cover. There are a few exceptions (incoming Atlas Rocket/Banshee Warp Ball) but other than that... we use what it called "Soft Cover". Do you know what Right-Hand-Advantage is? If you don't I'll explain after you reply.

The Fury is not a class that lends itself well to Platinum IMO unless you are extremely good with it. Biotic Explosions are a pretty slow way to take down bosses unless you have 2-3 players creating them at the same time. The Fury's Biotic Explosions are quite weak compared to others because Annihilation Field and Throw both do ****** poor damage, so the only real damage is created by the Biotic Explosion itself. This means you need a lot of them to kill a boss enemy. Alot of people run the Fury with just an Acolyte.. well.. that's not good enough for Platinum. You need a real weapon that can damage ARMOR and the Acolyte totally sucks vs armor. Another major point about the Fury is that Platinum is full of enemies that can block your powers completely... like Banshees. How are you supposed to kill a Banshee if you can't Biotic Explode it or hurt it with your Acolyte?

Your Infiltrator is honestly, a much better choice for Platinum... especially for a new player.
   
3. Score means jack****, agreed. Thats why when i topped a U/U/G with 120k, it was time for me to move on. It's far from the highest scores you guys would stick around on Gold to achieve, but that was enough for me. It's like playing RE1 knife only, and SH1,2. Don't bash me because what i find enjoyable is what you don't. Some of the comments are like 'gods' gift to me3', 'do i tell myself that everynight?', or "i'll be soloing plat with a volus in a month'. Come on, is it me or are you guys taking things too personally? Take it easy, man. I'm not trying to fit in with you guys, I came here because the game is fun and i enjoy reading discussion topics on MP.

People that say score means Jack**** are the typically the same people that don't score well. Score basically means: Who killed the most stuff. The guy with the highest score is typically your teams MVP, unless he was a douchebag who went off on objective waves to try and boost his score (this doesn't happen very often).

My responses are in Bold above. I also wrote you a post on the first page with some questions I'd like you to address. Thanks.

BTW... I'm trying to not sound condescending... and if I am... ohh well.

[megabeast37215]

Paynez wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The next thing I'm going to look at is your weapon(s) that you've selected for the match, the mods on them and the consumable gear you've equipped. If I don't see a maxed Rare weapon, or an Ultra Rare of a decent level, with the proper mods and complimenting equipment... it's a kick. If however, you had a N7 120, a level X rare or a low level UR, the right mods and good consumables on... then I would consider not kicking.

No maxed rare weapon? That's harsh.

Platinum is harsh... if you can't generate DPS, you don't belong. If you don't have AP ammo or an AP mod on your gun... you're worthless in Plat (unless of course, it's one of the weapons that ignore armor DR, and none of those weapons are really great on Plat anyway).

[stormrider1012]

IWC3714A wrote...

Titus, i was insulted first by Computron who bashed me about 106 games not ready for plat. Tell me my weapons & load out suck i would have accepted that.

I'm confused.. You say platinum isn't much of a challenge yet you don't even have a single platinum extraction?

I never said plat wasn't a challenge. I had my first runs at it yesterday, raped 3 times by phantoms but the level disappointed me. i was expecting something more. My first impression was that it was not impossible, and there are work arounds. If i feel that way and I'm no more than 40 hours sinked into the mp, it must be alot easier for those with maxed out rares which led me to asking why people with likely maxed out rares kick others with low level weapons out of their games which turns into a bashout, happening as we speak.

- Plat is meh of a challenge. I'm sure if we each have 5+ missiles we'd definitly clear it. I have 2 in my load out atm, lame.

I'm not being condescending but most people would actually beat a difficulty at least once before they would try calling it "meh" and saying "expecting something more", "level disappointed me" is rather conceited when you were sync-killed by the same unit three times. Just my two cents.

Modifié par stormrider1012, 06 février 2013 - 10:24 .

[Kalas Magnus]

megabeast37215 wrote...

Paynez wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...

The next thing I'm going to look at is your weapon(s) that you've selected for the match, the mods on them and the consumable gear you've equipped. If I don't see a maxed Rare weapon, or an Ultra Rare of a decent level, with the proper mods and complimenting equipment... it's a kick. If however, you had a N7 120, a level X rare or a low level UR, the right mods and good consumables on... then I would consider not kicking.

No maxed rare weapon? That's harsh.

Platinum is harsh... if you can't generate DPS, you don't belong. If you don't have AP ammo or an AP mod on your gun... you're worthless in Plat (unless of course, it's one of the weapons that ignore armor DR, and none of those weapons are really great on Plat anyway).

qft

[Taritu]

Platinum in some ways is easier than Gold, but you must have the DPS and DPS is VERY gear/equipment and weapon related in this game. And get 120 N7 rating. I don't pay much attention to n7 but under 120 means you haven't even played all classes to level 20, which means you don't understand all classes and it's a huge warning sign.

Remember, you may be God's gift to ME3 and a natural, but other people have no way of knowing it. I don't play a lot of plat, I mostly do u/u/g and even so I'm getting sick and tired of carrying all the people who shouldn't even be playing Gold since Christmas. If someone is under N7 120, with lousy weapons/gear/equipment, my experience tells me I'll be carrying them.

Fury is a great class on Gold. On Platinum it has issues because Plat has so many bosses.

[Jay_Hoxtatron]

I wouldn't suggest playing Plat until your piercing mods &/or HVBs are at V. Made that mistake when I immediately started on Gold. Had to empty clips after clips to kill 1 brute. I stopped bothering with armored targets till I got my piercing mods .

[IWC3714A]

I think there was a confusion. I didn't mean the N7 Fury was my solution to platnium. No, I get by with her on Gold matches and i meant it strictly at that. i came back to the infiltrator for platium as i see headshots were better choice to deal damage given the equipments or lack of i have.
As for soft cover and right hand advantage, i looked up the term and admit i was playing with this technique without realizing it especially on Glacier, Giant, and this map with the tele towers (i can't remember the name) when i played the Drell Adept (no, on gold, not on plat).
I checked the first page, can't seem to find what you want me to address.

[megabeast37215]

Heri wrote...
This is unfortunately a symptom of Bioware's ******-poor game balancing, which has placed undue emphasis on weapon damage and has put power-based classes in the gutter on plat. If there was more consistency in single-target damage output across classes you wouldn't see plat lobbies filled with GIs/TGIs/Destroyers, meaning having a high-level weapon (which is subject to the RNG of packs) wouldn't be a big deal.

That's relatively true.

I feel the way power based classes can hang on Plat is by the whole team working together with the same types of power classes. A biotic death squad ROFLstomps Plat, so does an all tech team... but they need each other to make it happen. 

A single Human Engineer is mediocre at best on Plat, but when he teams up with a Demolisher, a Vorcha Soldier and a Paladin... he's just fine.

Ditto for Biotics.... an Asari Adept by herself is pretty worthless on Plat, but when paired with a Justicar, a Drell Vanguard and a Batarian Slasher... she's just fine also. 

[HolyAvenger]

Heri wrote...

megabeast37215 wrote...
Platinum is harsh... if you can't generate DPS, you don't belong. If you don't have AP ammo or an AP mod on your gun... you're worthless in Plat (unless of course, it's one of the weapons that ignore armor DR, and none of those weapons are really great on Plat anyway).

This is unfortunately a symptom of Bioware's ******-poor game balancing, which has placed undue emphasis on weapon damage and has put power-based classes in the gutter on plat. If there was more consistency in single-target damage output across classes you wouldn't see plat lobbies filled with GIs/TGIs/Destroyers, meaning having a high-level weapon (which is subject to the RNG of packs) wouldn't be a big deal.

Plenty of rare weapons are plat viable, and they are not that hard to unlock from regular gold clears. If you aren't clearing gold that hard and fast, why are you in plat?

(PS- I play a lot of power classes in plat, very regularly).

[IWC3714A]

Heri wrote...

First: it's true that the OP isn't ready for plat, no denying that. But it's also true that most people's standards for kicking are way too high.

For me, as long as your N7 is at 120, that's good enough for me. N7 rating is quite possibly the dumbest metric of player skill ever invented in the history of gaming, and using it as a criterion for booting someone is the height of stupidity. Not everyone likes constantly leveling-up their classes...I sure as hell don't. I've promoted each class 3 times, and won't ever be promoting again. Ever.

Personally, what I look for in a plat lobby is this:
(1) Level 20 character (if your loadout makes me think you're a really pro player I'll tolerate a bit less than that, but people coming into plat with level 5 characters need to GTFO, I don't care who you are)
(2) Decent weapons (both in terms of rarity and level) that make sense with the chosen class, as well as sensical weapon mods equipped; less concerned with this for power-based classes
(3) Proper equipment
(4) Use of consumables - for weapon-based classes this is a must. If you're playing a power-spamming class I'm probably not going to care that you're not using a pistol rail amp on your Carnifex
(5) Decent number of challenge points (couple thousand?)
(6) Non-retarded class choice (i.e. no human vanguards off-host)

All of this takes about 5 seconds looking at someone's loadout in the lobby...no need to go pore over every miniscule detail of their manifest.

diplomatic and on point.

[megabeast37215]

IWC3714A wrote...

I think there was a confusion. I didn't mean the N7 Fury was my solution to platnium. No, I get by with her on Gold matches and i meant it strictly at that. i came back to the infiltrator for platium as i see headshots were better choice to deal damage given the equipments or lack of i have.
As for soft cover and right hand advantage, i looked up the term and admit i was playing with this technique without realizing it especially on Glacier, Giant, and this map with the tele towers (i can't remember the name) when i played the Drell Adept (no, on gold, not on plat).
I checked the first page, can't seem to find what you want me to address.

LOL... that's cause it was on page 2... my bad.

It's good that you know what soft cover and RHA are... use them CONSTANTLY. Actually taking cover and popping in and out is a pretty good way to get yourself shot. There are places all over every map where you can do this...

Here's the entire first post I wanted you to address:

IWC3714A wrote...

I tried plat after topping a U/U/G with 120k. Anymore and i think you're just spamming respawn points and taking extra from teammates.

I was doing Silver at N7 Lvl20. At N7 40 i went on Gold. I'm at 60. I have no intention of increasing my N7 level because i don't see it as an indication of skills. It's pretty moronic to do so. 

Why is your N7 rank so low? Do you only play certain kits? If I didn't see AT LEAST N7 120... it would be an auto-kick, no questions asked... unless I felt like doing charity work (which I do... carry noobs through Plat).

I also don't see N7 as a pure 100% accurate indicator of skill... but it's a sign. Seeing a Rail Amp I is also a sign, seeing non-maxed Rare weapons is also a sign. All these signs point to one thing... you're not ready, nor were the players you mentioned in the OP.

I want to ask you about this statement: I tried plat after topping a U/U/G with 120k. Anymore and i think you're just spamming respawn points and taking extra from teammates.

What the hell is spamming respawn points? You mean attacking enemy spawns? That's what your supposed to do... and on waves 5, 7, 8 and 9... you're supposed to attack them with ROCKETS! But you can't do that... because you don't have any. This is another reason why your games take longer.. you guys aren't spawn nuking.

Taking extra from teammates? WTF is that? Kill as fast and as hard as you can... anything else just makes the game take longer, which is a waste of time.

Finally... 120k in one Gold match does not make you God's gift to ME3 MP. Like I said... CONSISTENTLY top the scoreboard in 80+% of your Gold PUGs, and score about 150k with your infiltrator... get your rockets/gels maxed, then by all means, have at it.

You're not ready now... and the reason for that isn't your skill level... it's because you're underequipped and undergunned.

[IWC3714A]

Paynez wrote...

orehlol wrote...

 OP just wait until you have to carry randoms every mission on platinum.

Off topic but I think I remember my mate and I kicking you from a lobby and you sending butthurt messages to me and calling me a 'dumb****' and then sending another message about being sorry for acting immature.

lewl.

I don't think that was me. I've never sent any message out let alone hurt message like you said. It's your game, your host, you do what you want. butthurt at being kicked or anything at all is just plain unnecessary

[megabeast37215]

Heri wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...
Plenty of rare weapons are plat viable, and they are not that hard to unlock from regular gold clears. If you aren't clearing gold that hard and fast, why are you in plat?

(PS- I play a lot of power classes in plat, very regularly).

Rare shotguns, yes...rare anything else, not so much.

I'd add Collector Sniper Rifle and Widow.... but yeah... it's a pretty short list.

[TheKillerAngel]

The lock is coming on this. Real fast.

[megabeast37215]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

The lock is coming on this. Real fast.

Why? It's turned into a pretty civil conversation, especially by BSN standards...