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[StayFrosty05]

I have seen people repeatedly saying Miranda should be on the ME3 Normandy...

....or Miranda should be a squaddie on Cronos...

....or Miranda should takes tIM's place...

....or Miranda should be the SB...

....and these people seem to feel this is beyond "Because she's my favorite character or LI"....and I am beginning to wonder what the reasoning is behind these views...please explain?

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 06 février 2013 - 07:34 .

[David7204]

Well, for the Normandy, that's pretty much it. People want her because they like her. Which is perfectly valid. I want Liara and Garrus and Tali on the Normandy, even if they don't have a direct role in the story. (Which again, is perfectly good and acceptable writing.)

As for Cronos...that's just people struggling to come up with some kind of arc for her and people assuming that her being on such a mission will automatically mean satisfying character interaction and development. (It doesn't, and won't.) The most common idea is basically Miranda having a big emotional breakdown over working with Cerberus. Or something of the sort. Awful idea. Same with Miranda taking over for the Illusive Man.

Modifié par David7204, 06 février 2013 - 07:38 .

[StayFrosty05]

That may well be David....wanting her back on the Normandy through favortism...heck, I would LOVE to have Legion, Kasumi and Thane back on my ME3 squad crew but am not affronted that they are not and don't feel they SHOULD be....But there does seem to be the under currents of feeling that Miranda has somehow been wronged for being kept off the Normandy for at least some quite vocal people on the issue....as if she somehow belongs on the Normandy.

I can understand about the story arc....all ME3 characters got the short end of the stick on content...it's just once again that vehemence I see in the wish to see Miranda on Cronos that has me wondering the reason for it.

[David7204]

Well, that's not exactly the case. Having an arc doesn't necessarily mean having a presence in the story and vice-versa. For example, Jack has a very significant arc in ME 3, but doesn't have that big of a presence and Garrus has a much bigger presence but a fairly small arc.

[Yuqi]

What it really, and ultimately, boils down too, is this:

[StayFrosty05]

I get what you mean....fair enough and true....you have used very good examples in stating your case...clear as spring water....thanks...

[DirtyPhoenix]

Yuqi wrote...

What it really, and ultimately, boils down too, is this:

Damn.. those ass shots have reached a point of being embarressing now. Whoever came up with the idea that she needed frequent ass shots should be kept as far from future ME content as possible.

Also lol @ investigate xD

Modifié par pirate1802, 06 février 2013 - 07:52 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

I mean you can make a female character appealing, sexy but does it has to be so blatantly obvious? Its like she's screaming "hey look at my azz.. its the only reason I exist in ME!!!"

[StayFrosty05]

AARRGGHHH!!...eye bleach...NOW!....Thanks Yuqi.........I just refreshed the page and got it in the face with that pic.......please, please, please tell me it really isn't as simple as that....

Modifié par StayFrosty05, 06 février 2013 - 07:54 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

To hell with Miranda. I wanted to see Zaeed Masani on the Normandy instead of Diana Allers. Hell and they should have made the ugly bastard a LI for a renegade femShep.

[David7204]

No it isn't. It's a single shot.

[wright1978]

I'd like her on board normandy(beyond the fact's she's my favourite character) to provide needed tension on board the Normandy, similarly to how Jack adds that tension for a Cerberus SR-2 in ME2.

As for Cronos. Yes she should have been there. Her whole adult life has been working for TIM and for the idea that is Cerberus. Therefore in my opinion her arc should be heavily Cerberus focused given that TIM completely betrays the notion of Cerberus she worked so hard to realise.She should be there when TIM house is being brought down.

[Caihn]

 Because I want more conversations. I want to hear her comments about what is going on. Because she's one of the best squadmate my Shepard can have, and a real asset to fight Cerberus and the Reapers. I want to see her in combat and interact with the other characters. And I want a real romance scene and romance conversations like the other squadmates.

So no it's not just because she's my favorite character/LI.


I miss this :

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 février 2013 - 09:13 .

[samgurl775]

Because you spend over half the game fighting Cerberus, and she's a former high ranking officer. I honestly feel like out of all your squadmates she had the biggest reason to be with you in ME3. She tells you herself that she's on the run from everyone - what safer place is there than the Normandy?

[StayFrosty05]

Yannkee wrote...

 Because I want more conversations. I want to hear her comments about what is going on. Because she's one of the best squadmate my Shepard can have, and a real asset to fight Cerberus and the Reapers. I want to see her in combat and interact with the other characters. And I want a real romance scene and romance conversations like the other squadmates.

So no it's not just because she's my favorite character/LI.

But we all want that with our favorite squaddies/LI's....I'm looking for the reason people feel Miranda in particular is so indespensible.

[evilgummybear]

Yuqi wrote...

What it really, and ultimately, boils down too, is this:

Sorry i got distracted, what was the OP saying again?

[StayFrosty05]

wright1978 wrote...

I'd like her on board normandy(beyond the fact's she's my favourite character) to provide needed tension on board the Normandy, similarly to how Jack adds that tension for a Cerberus SR-2 in ME2.

As for Cronos. Yes she should have been there. Her whole adult life has been working for TIM and for the idea that is Cerberus. Therefore in my opinion her arc should be heavily Cerberus focused given that TIM completely betrays the notion of Cerberus she worked so hard to realise.She should be there when TIM house is being brought down.

My pre-dominant thought about Miranda being on the Normandy in ME3 is why would the Alliance allow that or a purely Alliance loyal Shep?

Cronos, I am not so sure about, am more up in the air on that one....As a non Miranda fan of course her story arc hasn't bothered me in ME3, but I can see why it would bother Miranda fans...Though I do feel though Miranda could have a place on Cronos, it would also be rather unfair to fans of other ME2 squaddies given the fact that they get so little interaction with their favorites also...that's a hard one.

[wright1978]

samgurl775 wrote...

Because you spend over half the game fighting Cerberus, and she's a former high ranking officer. I honestly feel like out of all your squadmates she had the biggest reason to be with you in ME3. She tells you herself that she's on the run from everyone - what safer place is there than the Normandy?

Agree completely.

[Nightwriter]

Well it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

We want her on Cronos Station because she was the second-of-command of Cerberus and she has story relevance during that mission. Doing the Tuchanka arc? Bring Mordin; relevant. Doing the quarian arc? Bring Legion; relevant. Taking down Cerberus? HMMMMMM.

And do not tell me Miranda's involvement in taking down Cerberus would only have appealed to her fans. The woman was almost religiously loyal to Cerberus. She has now lost her religion. Found herself in the wrong. That's gotta be juicy to more than just fans.

I am neutral on the matter of Miranda taking TIM's place, but I think it basically comes from a desire for Cerberus to not get completely fictionally assassinated. That is, some players saw value in Cerberus in ME2, disliked what BioWare did with it in ME3, and perhaps also think it's lame that the moral ambiguity of Cerberus was thrown out completely and replaced with lolcrazyevil. So what I hear sometimes is a desire for there to be some kind of choice at the end of Cronos Station, where you must decide if anything about Cerberus is worth salvaging. One of those choices would end with Miranda taking over, supposedly.

I don't hear people say Miranda ought to be the Shadow Broker a whole lot. The last time I heard it I think Ieldra said it, and I think he was just saying that Miranda would have fit the role better without having to transform her character as drastically. Or something.

Oh, and yes. She should be on the Normandy. At least once, before the final battle, for a love scene. All the ME2 characters deserve to be on the Normandy, at least once, before the final battle, for a love scene. Why? Because the other romances get it. EQUALITY, THAT'S WHY.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 06 février 2013 - 09:08 .

[StayFrosty05]

samgurl775 wrote...

Because you spend over half the game fighting Cerberus, and she's a former high ranking officer. I honestly feel like out of all your squadmates she had the biggest reason to be with you in ME3. She tells you herself that she's on the run from everyone - what safer place is there than the Normandy?

Would an Allinace loyal Shep care?...I know it bites for Miranda fans watching her in that situation...but I am still looking for and trying to understand the compelling reason people seem to feel that Miarnda needs to take some precedence over other ME2 squaddies?

[Eterna]

If it was in my hands I would have made a completely new mission after sanctuary in which you track down Kai Leng at a Reaper infested world. It would illustrate how deeply Cerberus has fallenand showcase Cerberus working with the Reapers while actually make Kai Leng an interesting character through the interactions during the mission. The Mission would end with a fully indoctrinated Kai Leng Boss fight.

Afterwords you head to the Citadel to check on Miranda and Orianna in the hospital. Miranda has recovered enough to show you the location and accompany you to cronos station. Instead of fighting Kai Leng you intsead battle a Reaper monstrosity created from the remanents of the proto Reaper. Its appearance and abilities would change depending on if you blew up or preserved the Collector base.

Modifié par Eterna5, 06 février 2013 - 09:12 .

[Caihn]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

Yannkee wrote...

 Because I want more conversations. I want to hear her comments about what is going on. Because she's one of the best squadmate my Shepard can have, and a real asset to fight Cerberus and the Reapers. I want to see her in combat and interact with the other characters. And I want a real romance scene and romance conversations like the other squadmates.

So no it's not just because she's my favorite character/LI.

But we all want that with our favorite squaddies/LI's....I'm looking for the reason people feel Miranda in particular is so indespensible.

Because like I said she's not just like any squadmate : she could have been very helpful against the Reapers and Cerberus (especially Cerberus).
An ex Cerberus operative like Miranda could have provide important informations and have interesting conversations with the alliance crew.
Also, she could have used  the Alliance and shadow broker ressources on the Normandy to find her sister, so she would not have spent the entire game doing this.

Modifié par Yannkee, 06 février 2013 - 09:14 .

[CynicalShep]

Well, it's simple. They make you take Liara on Thessia, Garrus on Palaven's moon, Tali on Rannoch and so on. Since making Miranda a "forced" squadmate on Earth is a very bad idea the next logical place is her second home, so to speak. That would be the Cronos Station. And you are right, most ME2 characters got the short end of the stick. Mordin didn't. Legion is arguable. As much as I like them - Zaeed and Kasumi are DLCs, they were always going to have less content. Thane got wronged (or so I hear), Grunt could have had more action but he had to share his "screen time" with Wrex. Too bad Liara didn't share screen time with Samara the same way. Jacob, oh well...

The reason why you hear more people complaining about Miranda is either her popularity or your personal bias. Or a little bit of both

Modifié par CynicalShep, 06 février 2013 - 09:15 .

[MrDizazta]

For me it was because majority of ME2 squadmates got the shaft when ME3 came out. If you weren't originally on ME1 then screw you was what I got from it. I mean I understand Thane and Mordin dying but was there a point to why Miranda, Jacob, Grunt, Jack, or Legion weren't a part of the team? Instead we get a new audience surrogate in Vega.