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[StayFrosty05]

DinoSteve wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

I have seen people repeatedly saying Miranda should be on the ME3 Normandy...

....or Miranda should be a squaddie on Cronos...

....or Miranda should takes tIM's place...

....or Miranda should be the SB...

....and these people seem to feel this is beyond "Because she's my favorite character or LI"....and I am beginning to wonder what the reasoning is behind these views...please explain?

Because she's awesome and has boobs. I thought it was pretty self explanatory.

So do I...so that one is pretty lost on me........as for awesome that's a matter of opinion.....

[spirosz]

StayFrosty05 wrote...
Plus he gives you an option other than the crazy Blue Chick for someone Shep can confide in.

And that justifies it? 

[StayFrosty05]

spirosz wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...
Plus he gives you an option other than the crazy Blue Chick for someone Shep can confide in.

And that justifies it? 

It's an option I appreciate...*shrug*....and you have obviously taken it out of context considering the rest of my short post and smiley icon used.

[spirosz]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...
Plus he gives you an option other than the crazy Blue Chick for someone Shep can confide in.

And that justifies it? 

It's an option I appreciate...*shrug*....and you have obviously taken it out of context considering the rest of my short post and smiley icon used.

I know, I've just seen that used as a serious argument, which bugs me, lol.  

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

StayFrosty05 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

I have seen people repeatedly saying Miranda should be on the ME3 Normandy...

....or Miranda should be a squaddie on Cronos...

....or Miranda should takes tIM's place...

....or Miranda should be the SB...

....and these people seem to feel this is beyond "Because she's my favorite character or LI"....and I am beginning to wonder what the reasoning is behind these views...please explain?

Because she's awesome and has boobs. I thought it was pretty self explanatory.

So do I...so that one is pretty lost on me........as for awesome that's a matter of opinion.....

If I got to pick the Normandy crew, a prerequisite for recruitment would be that you have Boobs, Garrus would be the only exception as hes my Broski.

[StayFrosty05]

spirosz wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...
Plus he gives you an option other than the crazy Blue Chick for someone Shep can confide in.

And that justifies it? 

It's an option I appreciate...*shrug*....and you have obviously taken it out of context considering the rest of my short post and smiley icon used.

I know, I've just seen that used as a serious argument, which bugs me, lol.  

Lol......I haven't seen that argument myself....I think I will just stick my simple "His Awesome...:wizard:" opinion....good enough for me....

To be completely honest....yes, Garrus doesn't necessarily have a defined game central role and yes, his role is easily filled by another....He is simply there for bromance/romance Batman coolness factor...he is not everyone's favorite or cup of tea and his friendship has been canonized whether the player likes it or not...I have been lucky in his case in that I do like him so god damned much, I struck lucky there.....Would have been fantastic if BW had stuck to their original idea of relationship creation from ME1....you didn't have to be everyone's BFF....avoiding romances was a problem, but friendships were done well with options.

[StayFrosty05]

DinoSteve wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

StayFrosty05 wrote...

I have seen people repeatedly saying Miranda should be on the ME3 Normandy...

....or Miranda should be a squaddie on Cronos...

....or Miranda should takes tIM's place...

....or Miranda should be the SB...

....and these people seem to feel this is beyond "Because she's my favorite character or LI"....and I am beginning to wonder what the reasoning is behind these views...please explain?

Because she's awesome and has boobs. I thought it was pretty self explanatory.

So do I...so that one is pretty lost on me........as for awesome that's a matter of opinion.....

If I got to pick the Normandy crew, a prerequisite for recruitment would be that you have Boobs, Garrus would be the only exception as hes my Broski.

Boobs save the world?.......I must remember that and let hubby know....

[The Night Mammoth]

She might have had some interesting things to say in relation to what you watch on the various terminals.

Though to be honest, she should have had a more important and different role in general, rather than just a retread of her ME2 character arc with this hypothetical appearance at the end.

Still have no idea why it would have been alright to have her as the Shadow Broker. Liara didn't really have to be character assassinated, it's just that all that slight strange development happens off screen, and some of the events don't make sense, but her becoming the Shadow Broker eventually satisfyingly completes her character arc, no matter one's opinion on it. Miranda would have to be completely changed, and I don't think there's any good reason for it.

[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

She might have had some interesting things to say in relation to what you watch on the various terminals.

Though to be honest, she should have had a more important and different role in general, rather than just a retread of her ME2 character arc with this hypothetical appearance at the end.

Still have no idea why it would have been alright to have her as the Shadow Broker. Liara didn't really have to be character assassinated, it's just that all that slight strange development happens off screen, and some of the events don't make sense, but her becoming the Shadow Broker eventually satisfyingly completes her character arc, no matter one's opinion on it. Miranda would have to be completely changed, and I don't think there's any good reason for it.

. She goes from meek shy archaeologist to intragalactic spy hunter.  Not exactly a subtle change

[FlyingSquirrel]

David7204 wrote...
As for Cronos...that's just people struggling to come up with some kind of arc for her and people assuming that her being on such a mission will automatically mean satisfying character interaction and development. (It doesn't, and won't.) The most common idea is basically Miranda having a big emotional breakdown over working with Cerberus. Or something of the sort. Awful idea. Same with Miranda taking over for the Illusive Man.

Really? I figured people just wanted to see her take down her former employer. She could have an interesting confrontation with TIM without it being a "breakdown."

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

She might have had some interesting things to say in relation to what you watch on the various terminals.

Though to be honest, she should have had a more important and different role in general, rather than just a retread of her ME2 character arc with this hypothetical appearance at the end.

Still have no idea why it would have been alright to have her as the Shadow Broker. Liara didn't really have to be character assassinated, it's just that all that slight strange development happens off screen, and some of the events don't make sense, but her becoming the Shadow Broker eventually satisfyingly completes her character arc, no matter one's opinion on it. Miranda would have to be completely changed, and I don't think there's any good reason for it.

. She goes from meek shy archaeologist to intragalactic spy hunter.  Not exactly a subtle change

It happens over a period of two years. It doesn't appear subtle because, to the player, it's not, we never get to see any of it (unless you count that atrocious comic). 

I'm not saying it's good character development, to the contrary, I don't like it because a number of events don't really make that much sense, but her becoming the Shadow Broker after spending all this time hunting him is a satisfying completion of her character arc. 

Miranda would have to have a completely different story to become to Shadow Broker. 

[hadrain77]

Miranda should be on Cronos because Shep had questions about Project Lazarus and who better to answer those questions then the person in charge of Project Lazarus, you know the project that brought Shep back from the dead. Alas it would of made too much sense so they put in squaddies who can't anwer any of your questions.

[FlyingSquirrel]

I think the mistake BW made with Miranda was not keeping her off the Normandy - I've come around to the notion that fewer is better, if only because it allowed them to write more squadmate interaction in ME3 - but rehashing the storyline with her sister. Pretty much all the ME2 characters who come back as non-squadmates have one mission where they play an important role and actually help Shepard in some way. Miranda is present at Sanctuary, but she doesn't really affect its outcome - Shepard finds it without her, and her video logs don't tell us much that we couldn't already figure out.

Plus, there's a lot of "buildup" that turned out to be unnecessary repetition in retrospect:

CITADEL -
MIRANDA: Hi Shepard. I've quit Cerberus.
SHEPARD: What are you doing now?
MIRANDA: Looking for my sister.
SHEPARD: Can I help?
MIRANDA: No, you have a war to fight. Bye!

CITADEL UPLINK-
SHEPARD: You wanted to talk?
MIRANDA: Yes. I'm still looking for my sister. My father's involved.
SHEPARD: What else do you know?
MIRANDA: I can't say.
SHEPARD: Okay. Watch out for Kai Leng.

CITADEL-
MIRANDA: I need Alliance resources.
SHEPARD: Can you tell me why?
MIRANDA: No.
SHEPARD: Okay.

[Stalker]

Why is Garrus, Tali, Liara etc there? Because they are beloved friends of both Shepard and the fans. We want to be with them.

And if we can get the goddamn Shadow Broker on board, why not the hunted Cerberus officer who has a whole lot of problems in all departments...

[OdanUrr]

FlyingSquirrel wrote...

CITADEL -
MIRANDA: Hi Shepard. I've quit Cerberus.
SHEPARD: What are you doing now?
MIRANDA: Looking for my sister.
SHEPARD: Can I help?
MIRANDA: No, you have a war to fight. Bye!

CITADEL UPLINK-
SHEPARD: You wanted to talk?
MIRANDA: Yes. I'm still looking for my sister. My father's involved.
SHEPARD: What else do you know?
MIRANDA: I can't say.
SHEPARD: Okay. Watch out for Kai Leng.

CITADEL-
MIRANDA: I need Alliance resources.
SHEPARD: Can you tell me why?
MIRANDA: No.
SHEPARD: Okay.

It's funny because it's true.

[Lawrence0294]

Nightwriter wrote...

Well it's pretty obvious, isn't it?

We want her on Cronos Station because she was the second-of-command of Cerberus and she has story relevance during that mission. Doing the Tuchanka arc? Bring Mordin; relevant. Doing the quarian arc? Bring Legion; relevant. Taking down Cerberus? HMMMMMM.

And do not tell me Miranda's involvement in taking down Cerberus would only have appealed to her fans. The woman was almost religiously loyal to Cerberus. She has now lost her religion. Found herself in the wrong. That's gotta be juicy to more than just fans.

I am neutral on the matter of Miranda taking TIM's place, but I think it basically comes from a desire for Cerberus to not get completely fictionally assassinated. That is, some players saw value in Cerberus in ME2, disliked what BioWare did with it in ME3, and perhaps also think it's lame that the moral ambiguity of Cerberus was thrown out completely and replaced with lolcrazyevil. So what I hear sometimes is a desire for there to be some kind of choice at the end of Cronos Station, where you must decide if anything about Cerberus is worth salvaging. One of those choices would end with Miranda taking over, supposedly.

I don't hear people say Miranda ought to be the Shadow Broker a whole lot. The last time I heard it I think Ieldra said it, and I think he was just saying that Miranda would have fit the role better without having to transform her character as drastically. Or something.

Oh, and yes. She should be on the Normandy. At least once, before the final battle, for a love scene. All the ME2 characters deserve to be on the Normandy, at least once, before the final battle, for a love scene. Why? Because the other romances get it. EQUALITY, THAT'S WHY.

Pretty much all this.

[Hazegurl]

You don't even get to say goodbye to Miranda with everyone else at the end. It's a shame that most of the ME2 romances were short changed.

[SNascimento]

She was Cerberus second in command and their best operative.

[o Ventus]

Hazegurl wrote...

You don't even get to say goodbye to Miranda with everyone else at the end. It's a shame that most of the ME2 romances were short changed.

On Earth you do.

Well, not if she's romanced you don't. You still talk to her.

[Nightwriter]

How hard would it have been just to bring the surviving ME2 LIs to the base in person, for a goodbye kiss before the entire series ends forever and ever? I mean really, a hologram? That is like fifteen different kinds of lame. It's like they weren't even trying.

I suppose it could have been that none of the ME2 character models were loaded into that particular level or whatever. But even then, why wouldn't they add them in?

[Isaantia]

I'm respectfully disagree with those that feel Miranda should have been on the squad (and/or at Chronos) and here is why:

1. Miranda is a very talented operative in her own right. 

Miranda had many successed prior to ever meeting Shepard, not to mention she ran the project that resurrected Shepard. 
Being on Shepard's squad in ME3 is a waste of her talent. Look at what she does in ME3, solo and with zero resources she fends off Cerberus assassins, Kai Leng, a bunch of Reapers, a bunch of Cerberus troops and still saves her sister, stops the atrocities at Santuary, resolves the issue with her father and gets Shepard the coordinates she needed. Think about what she did completely on her own - its pretty incredible. If she was with Shepard, she would have never had that opportunity to shine like that. 

2. Orriana is not her story arc, her crazy father is her story arc.

If you look at the themes of Mass Effect, a major one is that the created will always rebel against their creators. Miranda is another example of this. 

3. ME3's companions are a sort of mentee of Shepard

James is a Shepard at the beginning of his career
Kaidan/Ash/Garrus/Tali/Liara's career is made because of being part of Shepard's team in ME1
EDI looks to Shepard as her main role model
Javik is the (failed) Shepard of the Protheans.

[AntiChri5]

Miranda fans want Miranda content?

No shit.

Such a thrilling revelation.

[spirosz]

Nightwriter wrote...

How hard would it have been just to bring the surviving ME2 LIs to the base in person, for a goodbye kiss before the entire series ends forever and ever? I mean really, a hologram? That is like fifteen different kinds of lame. It's like they weren't even trying.

I suppose it could have been that none of the ME2 character models were loaded into that particular level or whatever. But even then, why wouldn't they add them in?

Seems pretty hard from what we got in ME3 and Bioware's priority with their budget - Diana Allers, oh how I love thee waste. 

[o Ventus]

Isaantia wrote...

1. Miranda is a very talented operative in her own right.

She hardly does any of these things with "zero resources". The codex makes a point to note Miranda's vast web of contacts. Miranda also doesn't stop anything going on at Sanctuary. Sanctuary is all but shut down by the time Shepard arrives, and that's because of the Reapers.

If she was with Shepard, she would have never had that opportunity to shine like that.

wat

2. Orriana is not her story arc, her crazy father is her story arc.

It is most certainly about Oriana. Oriana is Miranda's sole motivation to do ANYTHING in ME3. It's a blatant rehash of her ME2 loyalty arc. It's shameful.

3. ME3's companions are a sort of mentee of Shepard

I won't even touch this one. It isn't even close to true.

Modifié par o Ventus, 06 février 2013 - 11:52 .